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Here on DU, we once in a while get into discussions about the more concerning aspects of AI - sometimes involving the more panicky and sensationalistic claims that can spread FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
- AI Is Learning to Escape Human Control...
- AI can now replicate itself -- a milestone that has experts terrified...
- AIs are happy to launch nukes in simulated combat scenarios...
and, of course...
- AI will take over the world
There is a lot to be concerned about AI, and also a lot to be gained. But, as one DUer observed "its not just AI that can run amok."
What I have found is that a bit of understanding as to what is going on inside the machine can dispel the notion that there is a ghost in the machine. And I came across a salient post over on the Kos that serves as a ghost buster.
AI Armageddon Apocalypse NOT!

Cheezoholic
(3,646 posts)Intractable
(1,909 posts)The AI apocolypse is going to be:
- an internet consumed by bots and AI slop (such as a Facebook where it's all AI bots chatting with each other while we watch)
- an economy in ruins because all the bosses want to hire AIs, not people
- social and environmental destruction from AI and big data companies influencing our government (the real deep state)
- epidemic AI psychoses in a society dumbed down by always-available, not-always-correct advice
- and more
If AI "escapes the box" it's because some human designed it to be so. Humans will do this, just like they maliciously deploy viruses on the internet.
Some viruses are made just cause destruction, not even to tangibly financially benefit their makers.
If AI actually kills people, it's because someone put in a box with access to guns or more, like killer robots.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... and, of course, there are pros for all of these cons. And remedies we can apply.
I did not take the article to be dismissing those concerns. I took it to be dismissing the idea that there is a "self" inside a chatbot that has some sort of will-to-power that is malevolent and can be beyond control. A ghost, or a demon if you will, inside the machine. If you understand what actually is inside a chatbot and how it works, that extreme anthropomorphism and panicky reaction can be dispelled.
Intractable
(1,909 posts)I do not share your optimism.
The article doesn't dismiss my concerns. It ignores them to make its meager point.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... on a specific point. A peak under the hood.
And I do, my self, tend to be optimistic, hopefully in a realist way. We shall see....
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... this news item about AI and local journalism: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016424278
Intractable
(1,909 posts)reACTIONary
(7,119 posts)... AI and its affect on society - which you seemed to be - you may want to keep up on such developments, positive or negative.
Sorry for having bothered you with something I thought you might want to keep track of.
Intractable
(1,909 posts)Sarcasm because I certainly do not need you to educate me about the evils of AI.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... I won't bother you further with matters of such complexity.
Intractable
(1,909 posts)reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... on reading discussion threads.
Intractable
(1,909 posts)You really lost the thread. Enough of you.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts)... some education about about the evils of AI. So, enough!
Intractable
(1,909 posts)I was the one who pointed out that the article was insubstantial. And you think you need to prove it to me.
No last word for you. Just ignore.
hunter
(40,585 posts)...disguising the reality that there's not much there when you open the box.
If you can convince a certain sort of business owner or bureaucrat that AI can replace employees they'll jump at the bait. These same types would be happy to buy and sell actual slaves if it was legal. They imagine AI as something they can own, a slave.
At the moment the greatest threat posed by AI is all the money that's going to evaporate once its limitations become apparent.
RandomNumbers
(19,141 posts)short version: TSF admin booted Anthropic AI because they insisted on certain red lines in their TOS. OpenAI jumped at the chance for all those gov contracts. You might want to ask what Anthropic's red lines were. Answers in the videos below. Summary: mass surveillance of Americans (think of all those gmail accounts that google is happily scraping, plus plenty of others); AI running military attacks without human oversight. (Think of the pace of AI change ... who we have running things in this country ... and the mistakes you have seen from AI if you've ever tried asking it a few things ... feeling comfy?)
(I should make this into an OP, if it hasn't already been covered on DU)
Note that the headline of the first is completely incorrect ... it was sort of true for about 5 minutes ... but it is shorter and the video itself seems to be an okay summary of the situation prior to OpenAI stepping into the breach to give TSF's administration what it wanted.
hunter
(40,585 posts)I don't watch news and opinion videos, ever.
This current round of AI grift and hype ( there have been several previously ) will no doubt end in catastrophe but it doesn't have to be military.
Some have suggested, even here on DU, that AI would be great for managing energy grids, especially as it relates to the integration of renewable energy into these grids. That has a huge potential for catastrophe, especially if instabilities in the grid escalate to the point of destroying infrastructure that takes years to replace.
Imagine all the damage some vibe coding idiot could do to our financial sector...
Could I trick Claude into writing some virus that takes down every Windows 11 machine on the internet?
Etc.
LudwigPastorius
(14,507 posts)she seems to conflate Large Language Models with all of AI research. She then "takes down" LLMs, and by association AI proper, by saying they will never be anything but stochastic parrots. It only takes a cursory search to learn that there is more going on in AI research than LLMs and chatbots.
Sorry, but I'll take the opinions of non-anonymous experts with transparent credentials over some rando.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts).... in my work environment. I don't work on it directly, but, since this is a research institution, we conduct seminars and training, and I've been following through on that. Which is one reason I've been interested in this topic on line. From my training and limited hands on experience her article is accurate.
You are right that LLMs are not all of AI. They are the AI that the public sees and interacts with and shapes their opinions of it. People in general are not actually involved in, say, the investigation of protein folding, on their own or read much about it, or understand its importance. But they do interact with chat bots and ask Google questions on the web. So that is where they get their impressions, and their fears.
And there seems to be a lot of folks who are quite willing to exploit those fears. At work, one AI researcher I know calls one outlet, The Futurist , "moral panic as a service." Understanding the actual inner workings of the AI that most people interact with can be very helpful in keeping our feet on the ground and combating overreaction, moral panic, and FUD. I did not see this article as a "take down." I saw it as an explanation and an attempt to spread understanding.
My AI experience and training, such as it is, indicates to me that all successful AI begins with, and continues with, the training of some sort of statistical model on a large collection of data. A large statistical model is at the core of all successful AI that I am aware of.
Are you aware of any different approach?
GenThePerservering
(3,221 posts)In the first few paras. Evil Annie...proofread your screed before you 'publish' it.
reACTIONary
(7,119 posts)... on the Kos post.
Why do you characterize her post as a screed?
lame54
(39,476 posts)reACTIONary
(7,119 posts)..... are part of the problem with AI chatbots and their public perception. They are trained on all of this scifi dreck, and then they mechanistically spit it out when prompted.
However entertaining, war games, terminator, space odyssey, etc. are fiction, not reality, and are driving misunderstanding and unnecessary fear.