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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIran must never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon
which is why were incentivizing their development of a nuclear weapon.
Seriously, this is the lesson the world is learning. The US will fuck you up unless you have nukes
Beartracks
(14,514 posts)Bread and Circuses
(1,832 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,502 posts)COL Mustard
(8,123 posts)That Iran has nukes and surprises us all.
fujiyamasan
(1,502 posts)there have been no detected tests by the CIA. Iran would have performed them by now for deterrence. That also would have been used by Israel for propaganda.
Iran knew its military was severely outmatched by not just the US (thats a given), but Israel alone. I think thats why they have been attempting to negotiate an off ramp for years, even when they kept getting hit by Israel. The retaliatory strikes up until now have been mostly symbolic. If they could have hit back harder, they likely would have. I think Israel has been testing Irans defenses for years now, and realized it was mostly a joke.
It was always a paper tiger, except for its terrorist proxies and oil.
That said, this was not our fight. And if this was about regime change, this was up to Iranians to take over their government and have to satisfaction of taking out the ayatollah. Who knows where this leads. Bibi has wanted this for years. Were just an Israeli mercenary wing, yet we dont even get paid. We pay them.
flashman13
(2,268 posts)Japan, Vietnam, and Iraq immediately come to mind. Those were all very costly mistakes.
PCIntern
(28,178 posts)Israel is one nuclear catastrophe away from extinction- which apparently would please many many individuals.
Theyre not gonna let it happen no matter what. Never again.
fujiyamasan
(1,502 posts)Tired of using my tax money to fund their baby killing machine.
Tasmanian Devil
(106 posts)Ukraine, Iran, Iraq and Libya are all examples of countries that should have had nukes to defend themselves against invasions by the rogue nations of the world.
You can probably think of others.
Bread and Circuses
(1,832 posts)But we see that Imperial Powers will continue to attack and manipulate non-nuclear powers.
This world is a hell hole.
MadameButterfly
(3,957 posts)that the US and the West would protect it from invasions. We see how that went.
Tasmanian Devil
(106 posts)Not just the west, Russia was part of the agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
MadameButterfly
(3,957 posts)They are pretty much controlled by Russia now. You don't always need an invading army, just control the "president" and support him in suppressing democracy.
Of course, Yeltsin was trying to pursue democracy in Russia. Russia itself has been taken over.
All lessons for the world to arm itself instead of make peace.
Srkdqltr
(9,642 posts)Who is anyone to tell someone they can't have something?
No one should have nukes. No group of people are capable of not using what they have.
Initech
(108,359 posts)Especially with the Murdoch approved criminal cabal at the helm, what could possibly go wrong?
MadameButterfly
(3,957 posts)since we've elected a mentally ill leader. We have shown we can't guarantee to responsibly manage our own nukes.
Aussie105
(7,779 posts)but only ones that are militarily weaker or have no nukes?
Incentive to develop some nukes that can be pointed at America!
Or have a bigger army than America, like China.
"We need nukes for our safety!" must be a common thought amongst leaders around the world.
dalton99a
(93,381 posts)It's a shame Japan, Taiwan and South Korea don't have nuclear weapons. They live in fear of China/North Korea and depend on the U.S. for protection.
MadameButterfly
(3,957 posts)The world would not have tolerated Russia invading Ukraine if they couldn't threaten us with nukes. Biden would not have been so slow and careful about sending Ukraine help. It's clear Russia's army was overrated and a serious NATO response could have overpowered them before so much damage was done.
roamer65
(37,882 posts)That would stop the 51st state bullshit.
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