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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm convinced it was more than just a sex trafficking ring...
It was an international plot, stealing state secrets, blackmailing, manipulating markets, consolidating wealth, holding working families hostage to increase the wealth of an international oligarchy and concentrating power in the hands of a few very evil people. Accountability must be severe and guaranteed.
GiqueCee
(3,752 posts)h2ebits
(992 posts)Epstein is just the tip of the iceberg.
popsdenver
(2,046 posts)I think that he is probably performing his greatest grift of all...........
Blackmailing the entire list of Epstein clients already.........run like a mafia "protection" racket...........
Doodley
(11,825 posts)benefits Putin.
mitch96
(15,767 posts)Blues Heron
(8,579 posts)popsdenver
(2,046 posts)all working together.....................
Probatim
(3,250 posts)Lure them in under the premise of networking, set them up with a honeypot, and blackmail the ever loving shit out of them.
That so many in Pedolf's cabinet are also in the files, means there's a lot we'll never know about.
rampartd
(4,440 posts)comp a room with a video setup and send in the dead girl or live boy.
his cabinet are "loyal" because if not the video can be leaked or the redactions flubbed.
Bread and Circuses
(1,791 posts)Ive come to same co clusion.
This is much more than a political toppling.
We have a borderless conglomerate of criminal syndicates re-tooling Fascism with Tech/Crypto.
Farmer-Rick
(12,572 posts)So this is the description:
"It was an international plot, stealing state secrets, blackmailing, manipulating markets, consolidating wealth, holding working families hostage to increase the wealth of an international oligarchy and concentrating power in the hands of a few very evil people."
Take away "concentrating power in the hands a few evil people" to "concentrating power in the hands of a few businesses or a few elite capitalists". And you have the perfect description of capitalism.
To get ahead, corporations, businesses, CEOs and those born with capital, break the law, connive, manipulate and abuse those with less capital. The business that breaks the law gets ahead much quicker and can monipolize the market much faster than one that follows the law. That's why capitalism always degrades into corruption. Capitalism eventually ensures that psychopaths and criminals get control.
Trust_Reality
(2,285 posts)I'm going to be optimistic and suggest it is unregulated capitalism, or underregulated capitalism, "free markets" and "freedom".
Also, unregulated money in politics. Think supreme court decisions like Citizens United and money equals speech.
And people like Putin recognizing that capitalism is fraught with greed and greedy profiteers who they can corrupt and compromise.
And of course there are the marketing professionals from the world of profiteering who can sell ideas like free markets are good, small government is good, WOKE and DEI are bad, family values as a slogan, immigrants are criminals. All they have to do is sound religious and repeat them over and over.
Trust_Reality
(2,285 posts)Farmer-Rick
(12,572 posts)But how did our capitalist system turn into such a corrupt and easily abused economic system? We use to have regulations and controls on capital, but most of them have been removed.
Capitalism causes money, power and resources to concentrate in just a handful of families and organizations, much like feudalism and slavery does. And that leads to everything else. It's capital buying and using capital that causes all the inequality, corruption and abuse.
Farmer-Rick
(12,572 posts)I agree with what you described.
Except in the back of my mind I keep thinking why do we need to regulate capitalism? Isn't there an economic system that doesn't have to be so tightly controlled to keep it from falling into corruption?
There's got to be an economic system that doesn't promote lawlessness and abuse.
Norrrm
(4,594 posts)LakeVermilion
(1,547 posts)See the Ken Burns documentary!
BadgerMom
(3,404 posts)So many more dots are connected now. And those connections will continue to grow. If we had functioning investigative journalists and a functioning justice department wed be further along, but our role as observers putting pressure on journalists and jurists cannot end.
ForeGoneLegsBirne
(17 posts)Trueblue Texan
(4,310 posts)...our resurrection in the world by holding the investigations our own government won't. This isn't just about our nation, this is global. It is all going to be blown to smithereens and justice will be done. There is no stopping it now. The rats will abandon ship before you and I will know what is happening and their walls of secrecy will collapse.
Random Boomer
(4,397 posts)We knew about a "P" tape, that a lot people just assumed stood for "pee" as (in retrospect) the most innocuous interpretation.
Pedophile also starts with a "p".
usonian
(24,405 posts)I've been saying that the Trump-Epstein illicit sex, blackmail and money laundering operation was (and maybe still is) the biggest crime operation in all of history.
I left out state secrets because I don't have clearances, but those boxes in Trump's shithouse?
Someone just posted today that Epstein hid away his secrets all over. They showed receipts (credit card charges) for storage facilities other than the 18th hole at Trump's golf course.
Random Boomer
(4,397 posts)The ring was about influence, power, and money. They used children/women as the enticements and the rewards for people who provided information and financial support.
usonian
(24,405 posts)Every time I post an image from it, it gets taken down.
Frickin pimps know how to hook 'em. Under the guise of being big shots with celebrity and professional connections "just like them"

kentuck
(115,333 posts)I agree with you.
And there is much more to that pardon that Trump gave to that drug dealer from Honduras, I believe?
It's a huge money-laundering operation also.
Hassler
(4,852 posts)Then the blackmail, money laundering, espionage, destabilizing governments...
Initech
(108,275 posts)I'm seriously wondering what Goldman-Sachs' connection is in all of this. They were Epstein's bank. They were the central financiers of this horrible syndicate.
drmeow
(5,980 posts)allowed to collapse because it was not part of the crime syndicate?
Initech
(108,275 posts)I feel like all of this stinks and it's all connected. The question is how deep does the conspiracy go?
Figarosmom
(11,089 posts)The big evil world wide cabal that wants to rule the world. By blackmail, purchase or inticement. Nothing good about them.
Warpy
(114,537 posts)First are his first two jobs, obvious cover jobs, the first provided by William Barr Sr, a former OSS spook. How a double college dropout was initally connected to the intelligence services is something I'd very much love to know. He was as unqualified as a prep school teacher as he was for his second job at Bear Stearns. However he was plugged in, he stayed that way long enough for them to run interference during his first conviction.
(Former prince) Andrew Windsor has been arrested for feeding Epstein classified material. He's most likely not alone and I doubt if he'd been arrested unless the Crown had masses of evidence. What we don't know is what Epstein did with it.
Epstein was well known to curry favor and gain access to the rich and powerf Once he'd gotten access, he set about finding out ul by doing favors for them, from money laundering to just letting them use one of his planes for honest or even lofty purposes. Once he'd gained access, he reportedly set about exploiting them.
Whispers for years have mentioned money laundering, blackmail, extortion, embezzlement, and just outright theft. It has long seemed to me that trafficking underage kids for sex was a sideline, his favorite hobby.
How much of this will we ever know? Not much, not for a very long time. Everyone who enabled him, funded him, used his services, got blackmailed, or was trafficked has to be safely dead before this shit really starts to come out.
I have little doubt that he was murdered in jail by people who didn't want him to talk about any of it, ever. I just wonder what took them so long.
patphil
(8,900 posts)It was one of the ways they used to compromise thousands of rich and powerful people from around the world and use the information they could get from them, or had on them to gain money, power, and control on a global scale.
It's like The High Table from the John Wick movies; a secret organization of elites that manages a vast criminal enterprise, and manipulates markets, banks, and governments everywhere.
Their goal is to destroy the idea of freedom.
It consists of a small ruling class, a large overseer class that runs day to day operations, and enforces the rules, and a huge lower class of expendable workers. This is all coming to fruition through the development of AI as an all seeing eye that puts absolute power in the hands of the ruling class. It also makes it possible to rule a world of far less people than are on it now.
If they have their way,eventually governments will only exist to do their bidding.
We only have a small window of time to call a halt to this. The biggest block to our success is the willingness of so many tens of millions of people to either let it happen, or actually help make it happen.
Fil1957
(642 posts)iemanja
(57,692 posts)womanofthehills
(10,845 posts)And Rep Melanie Stanberry mentioned probably also men at Zorro Ranch.
Jeffrey had a trap door on the Island that went right into the sea. And all the talk about jerky
iemanja
(57,692 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(3,607 posts)Do you have a link for the trap door thing? That is so creepy...
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H2O Man
(78,905 posts)HappyLarge
(85 posts)Until humans societies all agree that everyone is a person and not a thing to be stripped of value and left as garbage in the street, itll keep happening.
nilram
(3,525 posts)Our (semi) trusted law enforcement agencies are complicit, if not aiding and abetting.
hoosierspud
(227 posts)About eugenics and wanting to create a superior group of humans by impregnating women with his sperm. (Did Elon steal his idea?) Its been thought that the New Mexico ranch was a baby farm.
1WorldHope
(1,953 posts)roamer65
(37,866 posts)Behind every great fortune there is a crime.
-Mario Puzo, Godfather. (Honore de Balzac)
I definitely agree and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Metaphorical
(2,612 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2026, 02:40 AM - Edit history (1)
It was a massive intelligence conspiracy, with sex trafficking and drugs no doubt a part of it as well as selling of state secrets and it was no doubt how Trump was both able to keep others under control, and how others made sure that Trump remained at least somewhat under control. He is not the mastermind, though likely he is part of a cabal.
Here's the problem for him. Trump is now a liability. He's exposing the network due to his incompetence and increasing senility, and important people - not just those who were ensnared but also those who were involved - are increasingly coming under the spotlight. He's making mistakes and losing enough support that no amount of electoral shenanigans are going to keep the illusion that he has popular support - or that he actually won the election in 2024 that he likely lost (note, I have never believed that he legitimately won in 2024, not by the margins that he did).
Things are unravelling. We have a GOP Texas Congressman that is embroiled in a major sex scandal who may tip the House, Democrats are winning in by-elections that they've not done in decades, and the spotlight is now on elections at a very bad time for the GOP - and Trump. He doesn't have hold of the military, and ICE, while not neutered, has been dealt some serious blows.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)they'll be held accountable. They have too much power & money.
Irish_Dem
(80,615 posts)You hit the nail on the head TT.
Thanks for posting it!
IcyPeas
(25,248 posts)1WorldHope
(1,953 posts)Bo Zarts
(26,290 posts)Ive been saying that for quite a while now.
GoCubsGo
(34,821 posts)They were laundering money, too. And, it likely all leads to Putin. It's getting more and more obvious.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,844 posts)I suspect there are some Illuminati believers who are laughing their asses off right this moment.
Ponietz
(4,242 posts)malaise
(294,834 posts)Rec
orangecrush
(29,613 posts)Richluu
(153 posts)But loyal only to himself. That's one reason for the sweetheart deal in jail in FL. "He's intelligence leave him alone."
He talked with Putin a lot....
bucolic_frolic
(54,737 posts)Drugs, pollution, labor, minerals ... etc etc etc
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,522 posts)By the way the vote
Or stick up for that orange lump of moral failure.
Ponietz
(4,242 posts)TBF
(36,201 posts)and that's why Donald doesn't want us to know anything about it. This is beyond political parties, imo, and very far-reaching. We may not know the depths of it until many of these folks are gone.
uponit7771
(93,517 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(14,210 posts)is how a nudnik like Epstein, a former MATH TEACHER, FFS, managed to ingratiate himself with all these guys. Riddle me that one if you will!
Now take a step back and look at what's written here, Y'all sound like Qanon conspiracy theorists, FFS! Which is not to say I don't agree with a lot of what is written---but some of it borders on the 'Hillary Clinton was running a pedo ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor" business. So let's admit that we don't know what we don't know and we probably won't until we can see all the files---which we aren't likely to until/unless we can get some good Democrats after them. So everybody take a deep breath, stop publishing speculation as fact, and, hard as it is, just WAIT.
This is my one reasonable post for today. I will probably go off the rails shortly.
leftstreet
(39,813 posts)I think our overlords are "giving" us Epstein to avoid our seeing even more powerful players and networks.
oysterpoint
(17 posts)International trafficking, money laundering, political interference, blackmail, gaming the markets, etc., all by the top 0.1%. Fox and other propagandists had right-wingers looking for it in non-existent pizza parlor basements, but it was most likely centered on the Island and probably the ranch in NM too, among other places. Every day, more details leak out. It's only a matter of time until this all blows up and we see the depths of depravity of our so-called "elite".
evolves
(5,814 posts)This cabal has clearly been running the world for the past 20-30 years.
Blue Full Moon
(3,345 posts)Trump has pardoned several drug king pins. Paid Mexican drug cartel gang members to move to the USA.
swong19104
(602 posts)and pedo-rape is just to ensure everyone involved are guilty of some serious crimes. Because you cant buy loyalty with just money. You buy loyalty with a gun pointed to the head. Its like how Senator Geary is so supportive of Michael Corleone after hes rescued from his escapade that ended with a dead hooker.
Martin68
(27,430 posts)Even the mass medical is reporting that fact.
Quanto Magnus
(1,320 posts)I think money laundering was a huge compenent of the Epstein system....
I agree with you on all of your post!
neohippie
(1,264 posts)Might as well through in drug trafficking in the mix, who knows there could be illegal arms deals in the mix too
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-files-dea-document-drug-trafficking-investigation/
"DEA reporting indicates the above individuals are involved in illegitimate wire transfers which are tied to illicit drug and/or prostitution activities occurring in the U.S. Virgin Islands and New York City," the 2015 document says.
The 69-page memo is marked "law enforcement sensitive" and remains heavily redacted, concealing the names of the 14 other targets and much of the substantive detail surrounding the investigation.