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THIS IS HUGE: for the first time the Dutch newspaper AD reports on possible dead girls related to the Epstein case. They stated that the investigation of the grounds of the 'baby factory' Zorro ranch very likely will include excavation work. They name the report that 2 foreign girls might be buried there. This is a reliable newspaper. The dam is breaking and we the Dutch know how to deal with it
Non Paywall. https://archive.ph/l4Ovs
Lovie777
(22,453 posts)time to bomb Iran.
Easterncedar
(5,940 posts)Wouldnt a refusal of orders be nice about now?
FalloutShelter
(14,351 posts)Go Hollanders!!!!
Chasstev365
(7,476 posts)ColoringFool
(506 posts)flashman13
(2,250 posts)Just asking for a friend.
Insert
thingy.
Wednesdays
(22,143 posts)Tens of thousands of them.
flashman13
(2,250 posts)calimary
(89,485 posts)Wednesdays
(22,143 posts)So...200,000 documents would weigh 200 pounds.
bucolic_frolic
(54,703 posts)200,000 pages divided by 500 sheets = 400 reams.
400 reams x 5 pounds - 2,000 lbs.
Wednesdays
(22,143 posts)wnylib
(25,456 posts)shanti
(21,792 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,538 posts)The only people who might know that are the pallbearers. Did one of them make a statement to that effect? Nobody else would have ever lifted it to know.
colorado_ufo
(6,214 posts)Maybe 10 pounds of ashes?
Wiz Imp
(9,538 posts)And if there were 10 pallbearers, who says they were all necessary to carry any weight? It's not unusual to have 10 pallbearers at a funeral of a public person/celbrity.
colorado_ufo
(6,214 posts)Bev54
(13,371 posts)Epstein was not stupid, if he was burying bodies he would likely not do so on his own land. They are including that in their search.
ultralite001
(2,465 posts)+ any place Krasnov may have poured concrete...
rampartd
(4,422 posts)as for the more aquatic locations, ever notice how obsessed trump is with sharks?
stupid and arrogant as these azzwholes are, there may be something there.
malaise
(294,786 posts)Very important
sop
(18,143 posts)People like Bezos, Weiss and others are making sure it's dead over here.
womanofthehills
(10,835 posts)Independent reporters and Independent podcasters with no sponsors but subscribers.
Cherokee100
(445 posts)What about Ivana Trump being buried, on his Bedminster golf course? Didn't she 'fall' down some stairs?
Response to Cherokee100 (Reply #7)
Volaris This message was self-deleted by its author.
Wiz Imp
(9,538 posts)Ivana Trump was actually cremated and a casket supposedly for her was instead filled with several classified and top secret documents to keep them hidden from federal investigators.
Rating:
Unfounded
On Sept. 20, 2022, the word "cremated" began to trend on Twitter with an unfounded rumor about the death of Ivana Trump, former U.S. President Donald Trump's first ex-wife.
She died on July 14 and was buried six days later at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. According to The New York Times, the ground at the golf club was "consecrated so Ms. Trump could have a traditional Catholic burial."
One tweet asked, "If Ivana was cremated, what was in the coffin?" A different tweet included a picture of pallbearers carrying her casket and also claimed she had been cremated. We found no shortage of tweets that pushed this completely unsupported rumor that claimed she had been cremated.
Volaris
(11,595 posts)TBF
(36,184 posts)is my understanding.
Scrivener7
(59,080 posts)for the property. He says he plans to turn it into a Christian retreat for CHILDREN!
I'm going to guess any evidence is gone.
travelingthrulife
(4,960 posts)Remember that the holiest of Christians, Betsy DeVoss, trafficked children from the southern border to other people.
Kali
(56,758 posts)his son is in it somehow. there was an article here a little while back. he's a rich texan.
swong19104
(601 posts)It would take time and effort. And lots of hush money. NM has already initiated a search.
Wednesdays
(22,143 posts)Not necessarily.
They'd have to do an awful lot of digging to destroy all the evidence. Unless Gaetz knew where all the bodies were buried.
womanofthehills
(10,835 posts)They are looking at trails. Like who knew what and when - who knew the horrors and reported to FBI and who kept quiet. Local people who worked there could have info. What happened to the babies? Were they adopted out, killed etc.
Rep Stanberry mentioned men might have even been killed there.
Wednesdays
(22,143 posts)wnylib
(25,456 posts)who wanted a White infant t9 adopt?
OR, sold to people who would raise it to be used in a pedophile set ring?
Gordcanuck
(172 posts)with the speedup of demo activity. Evidence of other kinds is still being unearthed, such as the photo of Bill,Clinton sitting on a couch at E-steins island with his arm around a younger lady with face obscured. Hell be asked about that one for sure whether in public or not.
KPN
(17,261 posts)important, no?
dalton99a
(93,208 posts)ColoringFool
(506 posts)evolves
(5,812 posts)too numerous to count
travelingthrulife
(4,960 posts)to be buried all over the place. Although females are easier to traffic, I suppose.
They can start working immediately in Trump's Sex Trafficking and Blackmail Services, Inc. Clarence Thomas likes them at 5 years old I hear.
LiberalArkie
(19,577 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2026, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Edited to add: to the pedophiles and abusers. Really do not know why, but that has always been the thing it seemed like growing up. Probably no one ever believed a boy when they told someone.
mysteryowl
(9,033 posts)It reminded me that Trump buried his ex-wife in one of his golf courses. How odd that was.
And it is an idea 99.9% of humanity would not have as a 'good location' for the ex-wife.
(It was said she died falling down the stairs)
Trueblue Texan
(4,292 posts)falling out of windows.
womanofthehills
(10,835 posts)Epson files contain descriptions of girls being chocked, bitten, bleeding from everywhere- mouth, vagina, butt, painful sex toys, fisting girls - all beyond evil sick. These monsters need to be punished.
Trueblue Texan
(4,292 posts)2na fisherman
(291 posts)The "Epstein Class" feels entitled to treat people as objects to be sexually abused. And the real fear about their sex scandals is not that they will be revealed as sex perverts, which is understood by them to be having forbidden sex for fun with impunity. But the levels of depravity go beyond sex and drift into the evil worlds of cannibalism, torture and those once-rumored snuff films. Sadistic sex perverts seeking ultimate thrills are not gratified by rape. Some feel compelled to dominate their victims to the point of making them suffer and taking away their lives as if they could become gods of life and death-- some ultimate power trip for those twisted personalities who are all id and are amoral. To them, morality applies to the starving masses, never them. Today those wealthy types may be investigated for their possible involvement with murder. And this may continue to haunt them since they can't easily bribe their way out of it, or successfully cover it up.
Escape
(426 posts)I will note that disposing of bodies in or under concrete slabs would insure that all evidence is lost forever.
cer7711
(612 posts).... before revealing the location of those (supposed) graves.
This might be nothing more than a wild rumor/shake-down attempt .
Of course, an allegation this serious needs to be looked into.
Just be careful, please, reporting unsubstantiated rumors/shakedown attempts as verified facts.
Ilikepurple
(527 posts)Perhaps the newspaper should be careful as some are confused by the word possible? Im wary of the more horrid and seemingly outlandish claims about the Epstein affair, but Im not sure that anyone here knows what information is getting to the various interested government and journalists or its evidential support. So, Im also wary of those who take what information they know as the entirety of whats available.
wnylib
(25,456 posts)not an article by a reporter.
IcyPeas
(25,244 posts)Algemeen Dagblad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algemeen_Dagblad
wnylib
(25,456 posts)UTUSN
(77,400 posts)leftstreet
(39,772 posts)progressoid
(52,913 posts)Google lens translate (I don't read Dutch)
ZORRO RANCH
New Mexico Investigates Plan for Super Race and Potential Victims
Did Jeffrey Epstein's 'baby factory' really exist?
Jeffrey Epstein hatched a terrifying plan to set up a baby factory on his New Mexico ranch for a "master breed." The extent of his plan and the number of victims he claimed are being investigated seven years after his death.
Sanne Scheffaut
Rotterdam
A joint Republican-Democrat mission is investigating, among other things, whether the ranch's infrastructure (such as the unusually large living quarters and medical facilities) was intended for the haberdashery. They are investigating whether there are any indications that children were actually born there or whether the plan was in its early stages.
Female victims of abuse at the ranch are also being interviewed, and the commission members also revealed that special attention is being paid to an anonymous tip from 2019, which can also be found in the documents released last month.
This tip, sent via email to a local radio host seven years ago, indicates that two foreign girls are buried in the hills near the ranch. This is said to have been done on the orders of Epstein and "Madam G" (presumably
Ghislaine Maxwell...
leftstreet
(39,772 posts)Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)
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reACTIONary
(7,091 posts).... there aren't any dead girls. This all Q-crap CT bullshit.
It is unlikely that anyone will "excavate" at the Zoro ranch. They are just going to interview witnesses. Who won't provide any information that is important or isn't already known.
LiberalArkie
(19,577 posts)just ran away and people in Mississippi would never harm them.
reACTIONary
(7,091 posts).... there are no bodies. This is Q Anon style CT trash.
oberle
(328 posts)reACTIONary
(7,091 posts).... back in the 60's when Mississippi people and Arkansas people were claiming that the 3 civil rights workers just ran away, we knew who they were and we knew they were actually missing.
Who are these girls who have allegedly been murdered? Who has reported them missing?
A better comparison is to the satanic cult moral panic in which it was claimed that children were being sacrificed - but no children were missing.
This is a ludicrous Q-Anon, Pizza-gate type moral panic. I'll be so glad when this fiasco is over.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,597 posts)Because there hasn't even been an investigation, and you're already saying there's nothing there.
Some of us can see through that kind of thing
reACTIONary
(7,091 posts)... Were made a long time ago and were often vetted by the Biden administration. Many of them were made by anonymous tipsters who can't even be contacted. In most cases they are second or third hand hearsay.
Maybe you could give me an example - a very specific example - of an allegation that you think warrants investigation and hasn't been investigated.
If the DOJ investigated every crazy claim they get without doing a triage, our justice system would be overwhelmed and actual crimes would not get the investigation that is warranted.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,597 posts)womanofthehills
(10,835 posts)Lots of info in Epstein files and Rep Stanberry saw some redacted files. Im sure she concentrated on the ranch files. She wants to know who knew what and when.
reACTIONary
(7,091 posts).... basically means "there's no evidence."
Evolve Dammit
(21,681 posts)Skittles
(170,521 posts)canetoad
(20,546 posts)I fervently hope there is viable DNA to be collected. Identify them.
John1956PA
(4,902 posts). . . any investigators in the other Northwestern European countries, lest someone like this guy might come calling:

Susan Calvin
(2,424 posts)given what these people were willing to do, there is no doubt in my mind that some inconvenient people were disposed of
Danascot
(5,193 posts)At a minimum she recruited and groomed the girls and taught them skills like 'massage'. I'm not a lawyer but wouldn't she be considered an accessory to murder?
And she may have more direct involvement. In one of the posts above it alleges (burials) "is said to have been done on the orders of Epstein and "Madam G" (presumably Ghislaine Maxwell..."
If trump pardons her she will leave the country and never surface again.