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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-iran-war-donald-trump-nuclear-talks-b2923214.htmlWe'll see if Iran mines the Strait of Hormuz and does other things to strangle world oil supplies. If so, get ready for real economic pain
bluedigger
(17,423 posts)That's how they do it these days.
Red Mountain
(2,292 posts)off Israel. They'll be needed to defend against Iranian retaliation.
kwolf68
(8,378 posts)Needs a distraction from the fact he's a pedo. Our nation is broken.
msongs
(73,365 posts)Melon
(1,240 posts)Skittles
(170,504 posts)Melon
(1,240 posts)China and Russia will voice disgust. Some in the Middle East will voice disgust but the reality is that they are tired of Iran and the disruption in the region.
Iran wont last a week. I dont even see it driving oil prices crazy because Iran has no ability to take and hold the straits.
In summary, Iran has no true ally to help. If the US takes action they will be done in short order.
SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)All they need to do is sink some of their own ships, drop some mines, and launch missiles at commercial ships to cause complete havoc
EX500rider
(12,291 posts)Who gets the majority of their oil from the Persian Gulf
SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)They sent waves of child soldiers during the Iraq-Iran war when they were losing.
Melon
(1,240 posts)Ive been down those straits. Iran is a thorn in the side of the entire region. They have 1980s technology. If they try and drop mines theyll lose their navy in a day. If they launch missiles into the straights, theyll lose their shore batteries in a day. Saudi will not support nor will Qatar. Do you know how many ships would need to be sank to impede traffic?
SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)How many commercial ships getting hit before they won't go through? It would only take a couple.
At that point the regime will have nothing to lose anyway.
Melon
(1,240 posts)Theres no magic bullet to overcome the US military for Iran. If they lay mines, theyll lose their navy including small speedboats and the straights will be cleared in days. Thats it. If they lay mines it will disrupt shipping for a short period. Irans navy would not last 24 hours. The waters off Iran will be flooded with US assets. They wont be able to do much.
W_HAMILTON
(10,266 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2026, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)
EX500rider
(12,291 posts)Where they were unable to shoot down a single US or Israeli bomber
W_HAMILTON
(10,266 posts)And regime change is very unlikely to be accomplished through isolated aerial attacks.
EX500rider
(12,291 posts)In the early hours of 13 June 2025, the IDF attacked dozens of Iranian nuclear facilities, military bases and infrastructure installations, and key military commanders.[142] By 06:30 IDT, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) had launched five waves of air strikes,[144] using more than 200 fighter jets to drop more than 330 munitions on about 100 targets.
14 June
In the early morning of 14 June, Iranian media reported an explosion and a fire at Tehran's Mehrabad International Airport.[180] It also reported Iranian air defenses engaging Israeli projectiles above Isfahan[181] and exchanging fire with Israeli drones on reconnaissance missions in northwestern Iran.[182] The IDF later said that it bombed an underground facility in western Iran used to store ballistic and cruise missiles.[183] Iran confirmed the deaths of General Gholamreza Mehrabi and General Mehdi Rabbani.
Iran's Ministry of Petroleum announced attacks on two oil fields in Bushehr province,[189][190] where fires halted the production of gas.[191] The Red Crescent Society said Israel had attacked 18 of the 31 provinces of Iran.[192] In the evening, the IDF announced a new wave of strikes on "military targets" in Tehran,[193] which cut off electricity in the Shahran neighborhood, striking oil and gasoline depots,[194] the Iranian Ministry of Defence headquarters, and the Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research building.
15 June
A strike was reported on the Ministry of Justice building in Tehran and the IAF said that it bombed a refueling plane at the Mashhad Shahid Hasheminejad International Airport in what was possibly the most distant operation in its history.[221][222] Israel also struck surface-to-surface missiles in Iran as well as military bases and the Iranian foreign ministry.[223] Missiles struck and killed the intelligence chief and the intelligence deputy chief of the IRGC.
16 June
The IDF hit the command center of the Quds Force in Tehran.[231] Iran International reported explosions were heard in the vicinity of the Fordow nuclear facility.[232] IDF strikes were said to have taken place in the vicinity of the Parchin military installations.[233] The IRGC's Ansar al-Mahdi Corps reported that one of its commanders and a soldier were killed in an attack in Ijrud County of Zanjan province.[234]
The IDF said it has destroyed 120 surface-to-surface missile launchers in Iran. Brigadier-General Effie Defrin said that 30% of Iran's missile launchers have been destroyed and said it destroyed a weapons convoy between Tehran and Qom.[27][235]
IRNA reported that Israeli forces struck the Farabi Hospital in Kermanshah,[84] causing significant damage and at least 15 buildings in the Kermanshah missile factory were hit by Israel.[236][237] Israel bombed the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) state broadcaster during a live broadcast.
The IDF hit a building killing Iran's intelligence chief and other key senior officials. Mohammad Kazemi, Hassan Mohaqeq, and Mohammad Khatami were confirmed to have been killed by the airstrike.
17 June
The IDF assassinated Major-General Ali Shadmani just days after he was appointed as a commander of Khatam al-Anbiya Headquarters.[270][271][272] According to The Jerusalem Post, Shadmani was killed alongside dozens of IRGC officers.[273] Israel said that it conducted "several extensive strikes" on military targets in western Iran, targeting missile launchers and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) storage facilities.[274] According to Mehr News Agency, an Israeli rocket hit a checkpoint in Kashan, killing three people and injuring four others.[275] Israeli forces struck a residential building in Tehran, according to IRNA, which also reported that three people were rescued from the rubble by the Red Crescent.[276] The IDF announced that it conducted heavy strikes against Iranian ballistic missile launchers in Isfahan using 60 fighter jets and that 12 missile storage and launch sites were hit during the attacks.
The IDF said 40% of Iran's ballistic missile launchers had been destroyed.[268] The Institute for the Study of War in the US noted that the five morning attacks had fewer missiles than previous salvos, which it held as indicating a degradation of Iran's missile force.
18 June
The IDF said that 50 fighter jets struck around 20 buildings in Tehran, including factories producing raw materials, components and manufacturing systems for ballistic missiles. Iranian media said that the IDF struck an IRGC-affiliated university and a missile factory in Khojir.[285] The IDF also said it had destroyed 70 missile batteries.[286][287][14] Israel also attacked nuclear centrifuge production sites, with the IAEA confirming strikes on Karaj's TESA Complex and the Tehran Research Complex.[288][289]
In the morning, Israel hit sites in Tehran and issued an evacuation order for people in district 18 of Tehran.[290] Iran's internal security headquarters was destroyed during the attacks, according to Israel.[291] An Iranian Red Crescent building was also reportedly struck.
In the afternoon, the IDF said that it had struck 40 military targets in western Iran, including a primed Emad missile launcher, missile storage sites, and soldiers, with 25 fighter jets. To date, IDF spokesperson Effie Defrin said that 1,100 targets in Iran had been struck by Israel. He added that five AH-1 helicopters were struck in Kermanshah in the morning. Later, the IDF said that it destroyed three more AH-1 helicopters.[294] The IDF later announced that 60 fighter jets participated in a wave of strikes against 20 targets in Tehran, including weapon manufacturing facilities, centrifuge production sites, and nuclear research and development locations.
19 June
The IAF hit targets in Tehran with airstrikes during the night of 18 June.[302] In the morning, Israel hit dozens of military facilities in Iran including air defense and missile production sites.[303]
The IR-40 reactor containment building at the Arak Nuclear Complex was destroyed as were nearby distillation towers.[304] Earlier in the day, Israel had told told residents of the surrounding areas of Arak and Khondab to evacuate.[305] Israel said there was no danger of radiation leakage. The IAEA said that the reactor was "not operational and contained no nuclear material".[306][307] The IDF said it believes it has destroyed two thirds of the Iran's missile launchers.[308] The IDF said that its drones struck Iranian soldiers who were repairing ballistic missile launchers.
20 June
Overnight, the IDF claimed to have targeted Iranian military sites, including missile production facilities, the SPND program headquarters, and a Tehran nuclear research center, later reporting the destruction of 35 missile launchers.[326][327][328]
While the IDF stated it targeted infrastructure in western and central Iran, Iranian media reported a drone strike on a Gisha district residential building, allegedly a Basij military base, and the assassination of an unnamed nuclear scientist.
21 June
Israel struck three buildings in Isfahan, with Iranian media reporting that a nuclear facility was targeted.[343] Defense Minister Israel Katz said the IDF killed Quds Force commander Saeed Izadi and struck the vehicle of IRGC commander Behnam Shahriyari.[344][345] Iran confirmed the killing of a tenth nuclear scientist, Isar Tabatabai-Qamsheh.[346][347]
The IAEA stated that a centrifuge workshop in the nuclear research complex in Isfahan was destroyed by the Israeli strikes.[348][349] IAF struck a residential building in Qom, while explosions were reported over Najafabad, Malard, Isfahan and Tehran.[350] Israeli airstrikes targeted a nuclear site in Isfahan, according to the deputy provincial governor who spoke to the Fars new agency.[351][348][352] Fars reported that the air defense system in Isfahan had been activated.[351] The IDF said that it hit a military installation in Shiraz, no casualties were reported,[353] and following an Israeli airstrike, the headquarters of the Iranian Cyber Police (FATA) in Tehran sustained significant damage.[354]
The IDF announced that it attacked dozens of military targets in the Ahvaz area, using 30 fighter jets that dropped around 50 munitions. Among the targets were a ballistic missile storage facility and a radar site.[355] A strike in Tehran killed a former bodyguard of assassinated Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah alongside a member of Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada.[356] Later, the IDF said that around 60 fighter jets conducted strikes in central Iran in the evening, destroying three F-14 fighter jet.
22 June: US strikes on Iran nuclear sites
According to the IDF, 20 fighter jets conducted overnight strikes on dozens of military targets in central Iran, including weapons production and storage sites, air defenses, and infrastructure at Isfahan International Airport. In the morning, the IDF said that it destroyed two Iranian F-5 fighter jets at Dezful Airport alongside eight ballistic missile launchers, killing nearby soldiers.[362][363] Strong explosions were heard in Tehran, Isfahan and Bandar Lengeh, with Iranian air defense systems being activated.[364]
Explosions were also heard in Bushehr. Iranian media reported that Israel struck a power plant and a military garrison in Yazd.[365] The IDF confirmed conducting simultaneous strikes in the areas of Isfahan, Bushehr, Ahvaz, and Yazd, using 30 fighter jets that dropped around 60 munitions. Among the targets were the 'Imam Hussein' strategic missile headquarters in Yazd, an Iranian drone regiment headquarters, air defense battery factories, missile launchers, and drone storage sites. The strikes killed several Iranian military personnel who were operating at launch platforms.
On 22 June, the United States joined the war on Israel's side and struck the Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan Iranian nuclear sites, using B2 bombers and Tomahawk missiles.[57][58][375] President Trump said that the targeted facilities were "totally obliterated".[376] In response, the Iranian government said that the Fordow site was not seriously damaged. IRIB said that only Fordow's exit and entry tunnels were destroyed but not the facility itself.[377] Later on, however, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi admitted that nuclear sites sustained severe damage.[378][379][380] Although initial U.S. intelligence assessments indicated that the U.S. airstrikes did not destroy Iran's nuclear capability and only delayed it for a few months,[381] the Pentagon has since concluded that it set back Iran by one to two years.[382][383] Satellite images of Fordow facility were released by the Associated Press shortly after the strikes.[384] The images showed damage to the entrances of the facility which are blocked by dirt, and also several large holes/craters in the mountain which the facility is under.
23 June
Israeli strikes hit six airfields located in western, eastern, and central Iran, targeting runways, underground facilities, and a refueling aircraft. The strikes destroyed 15 Iranian fighter jets and helicopters such as the F-14, F-5, and AH-1. Israel also targeted missile launchers and storage facilities in Kermanshah.
Around 50 Israeli warplanes conducted extensive strikes in Tehran, dropping over 100 munitions in the span of two hours. The IDF targeted military command centers and infrastructure, and internal security forces, with an Israeli official estimating that hundreds of IRGC fighters were killed.[417][413] Locations hit included the Basij headquarters, Evin Prison and the Palestine Square Countdown Clock.[418] In addition, Israel said it attacked Fordow's access routes. The strike hit the entrance of Evin prison, while Israeli foreign minister Gideon Sa'ar posted "long live freedom"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war
W_HAMILTON
(10,266 posts)The "isolated" descriptor was referring to the fact they were just bombings and not the type and scale of attacks you would see during an actual war, nor were they targeted in such a way.
Do you really think a regime change war in the Middle East is going to be a walk in the park?
EX500rider
(12,291 posts)They were exactly that kind of attacks, suppression of air defenses, command & control attacks, elimination of long range missile assets etc.
The US doing it Vs the IDF will be X10 IMO....and if they take out all the top leadership they can find and suppress the security apparatus I think the Iranian's will do the rest, they are fed up with the Mullahs & hate them.
SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)it's larger than Iraq's, and we saw what that turned into.
EX500rider
(12,291 posts)SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)EX500rider
(12,291 posts)We knock enough of the security forces off their feet and the Iranians will take over.
Some revolutions require external help, the US would not have kicked the British out without the French help
SamuelTheThird
(804 posts)but it doesn't seem to be based on any extensive knowledge of Iran
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/the-day-after-khamenei-irans-liberation-will-begin-as-an-irgc-power-struggle
Many imagine the day after Ali Khamenei as a moment of sudden liberation: Iranians shaking off the mullahs and deciding their own destiny. The likelier opening act is far less romantic.
The immediate aftermath will probably look less like a velvet revolution and more like the opening round of an insider power strugglestaged and refereed by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and its allies. The institutions that have grown strongest under Khamenei are not parliaments, parties, or independent courts, but the security state and its sprawling economic empire. Those are the actors best positioned to inherit the republic he leaves behind.
W_HAMILTON
(10,266 posts)We bombed Iraq multiple times before going to war against them and we were even enforcing a no-fly zone within their country.
Are you still okay with going to war if it involves American boots on the ground in Iran?
maxrandb
(17,349 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2026, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)
There will be no repercussions. No refugees. No disruption to shipping. Why, it will be a cakewalk...Easy-peezy.
China and Russia will just get oil from somewhere else....maybe Venezuela. They will have absolutely no problem, whatsoever, with the United States controlling a vast region of the world's material supplies.
Why, they might even think the "regime change" is so "easy", China might have a go at Taiwan, and Russia can take a run on Poland.
Europe going to sit back and allow the USA and Israel to control what goes in and out of the Persian Gulf? That's right....Europe is our allie, right?
Ask the MAGAts, I am sure they will tell you that Europe has "no interest" in the Middle East.
What about Muslims around the world? Africa? Why, those people all all backwards anyway, right?
Surely Africa has "no interest" in the Middle East.
If this works, and "takes about a week" to wrap it all up, maybe we'll take another run at Afghanistan.
Melon
(1,240 posts)They are out. I think China will never engage either. They have not fought since Korea and are completely outmatched by the US. They also have no way to project power.
Iran is on its own. If they are just destroying assets, its in and out. Bombs and missiles.
I just dont see Iran coming out ahead. They can still refuse a nuclear deal, and the US would never want to land troops. But it just puts Iran further backward in the world. The people dont want to be poor versus the rest of the Middle East, and the other countries dont like the conflict that Iran brings.
maxrandb
(17,349 posts)No one is saying that there is anything positive about the Iranian regime. I won't shed a single tear when the religious fanatics that are in power in Iran are gone. I will miss them, about as much as I'll miss our own religious fanatics here in MAGAt 'MuriKKKa.
This entire sabre-rattling bullshit, reminds me of an important lesson we all should learn:
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
I spent 30 years in the United States Navy. I have said before that the United States military, with the support of NATO, could turn the entire planet into a "no-fly zone" in about a week if we wanted to. How's that relationship with NATO going?
It is silly, stupid and short-sighted to suggest that ANY of this shit is "easy". It's DANGEROUS to not anticipate the repercussions.
We wiped out the Iraqi and Afghanistan defense forces in about a week.
We bombed the absolute fuck out of North Korea and Vietnam.
Any of those "last more than a week"?
JFC! We militarily kidnapped the leader of Venezuela. That took about 2 hours. Think that's it? Think that's the last we'll hear from Venezuela, or South America?
Breaking things is easy.
Donnie Dipshit wants to bomb Iran, not because he gives one fuck about the "people" of Iran, but because he can.
If he really gave a damn about "regional stability", he'd be standing strong with Ukraine, instead of being Putin's sock-puppet.
Using the blood and treasure of America is one of the most serious and gravest decisions we can ever make.
Forgive me for doubting that Donnie Dipshit and Whiskey Pete understand that.
Can we bomb the shit out of Iran? Sure.
Should we bomb the shit out of Iran? I think we need Congress to weigh in.
That's what the Constitution requires...I mean...if you still believe it's relevant.
Melon
(1,240 posts)Iran would last days. No
there people largely dont support their government. Iran new technology is literally ours from the 80s and old Russia technology.
Russia cant project power, they no longer have the ability to move their armies to the fight. They also have depleted their fighting age men in Ukraine.
Iran is on its own.
maxrandb
(17,349 posts)Now. I'm not sure that it won't be NATO joining to oppose Russia and the US.
If he's NOT aligning us with Russia, I would gladly welcome any demonstration that he isn't.
You're the one that is arm-chairing how "easy" and short it will be to destroy Iran. Any thoughts on what comes after?, Or are you in the "nuke 'em all, let God sort it out" faction?
Melon
(1,240 posts)I just dont see Iran coming out ahead. They can still refuse a nuclear deal, and the US would never want to land troops. But it just puts Iran further backward in the world.
Ive worked extensively in the region. Ive never heard a good word said about Irans government from within other countries in the region nor Iranians working in other countries. Iran will be on its own. The Iranian people would overthrow the government but they were disarmed long ago and are killed for protesting.
I would never advocate US troops on the ground anywhere. But at the end of the day, Iran uses its money to fund terrorism in the region and the other countries are tired of it. Theyd fund more terrorism actively against the US beyond cyber attacks if they could reach us easily. If the government is weakened enough to be overthrown by the people or weakened so that they do away with their nuclear program then great. A nuclear Iran is a global disaster waiting to happen. The government is radical and preach death to the US. Death to Israel. There is not a good soft negotiating tactic when they preach your death as a religion.
Iran will refuse a nuclear deal most likely and the chips land where they do. There will not be troops landed and I dont advocate any of that. My point and belief is that Iran is a paper tiger and is a relatively weak opponent. The same weapons systems were used in Venezuela that didnt do a thing.
Xolodno
(7,327 posts)...already have the "Mission Accomplished" banner already picked out.
maxrandb
(17,349 posts)We have a lot of Americans that are heroic with other people's blood"
themaguffin
(5,064 posts)Ping Tung
(4,297 posts)DFW
(59,937 posts)This has been called the saddest song we ever did--probably accurately.