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Presidents Day is always the hardest holiday to shop for; its hard to know what to get the president in your life. But the U.S. House of Representatives got President Donald Trump exactly what he wanted when it passed the SAVE America Act on Wednesday.
The act, which passed with the support of all 217 House Republicans but only one Democrat, is a centerpiece of Trumps agenda to exercise more federal oversight over elections and prevent illegal voting, which is already very rare. Its essentially version 2.0 of the SAVE Act, which passed the House last year.
Like its predecessor, the SAVE America Act would require people who are registering to vote to provide proof of their U.S. citizenship. (Currently, new registrants only have to attest under penalty of perjury that they are citizens.) This version of the bill also adds a photo ID requirement for voters and requires states to run their voter rolls through the Department of Homeland Securitys Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements database to scan for noncitizens. All provisions of the bill would take effect immediately upon enactment.
But enactment is unlikely. The filibuster rule effectively means that legislation needs 60 votes to pass the Senate, and Republicans hold only a 53-47 majority in the upper chamber. Some Republicans are pushing to turn the filibuster from a procedural formality into a literal requirement that Democrats hold the floor and talk indefinitely in order to block the bill, which could allow the bill to pass with a simple majority if Democrats run out of steam. But that would derail the Senate for weeks, and Senate Majority Leader John Thune isnt making encouraging noises.
https://www.votebeat.org/2026/02/16/save-america-act-passes-house-proof-of-citizenship-register-vote-photo-id/
Wounded Bear
(64,063 posts)Now, requiring that at the polls is a step too far, as people don't necessarily carry that proof around with them every day.
Not to mention, how do you do that with mail in voting, which is a major target of this bullshit?
durablend
(9,133 posts)Can't threaten and intimidate voters if they vote it by mail, don'tchaknow.
Wounded Bear
(64,063 posts)Repubs used to really like VBM, because it allowed their rural elderly population to do so. Have done a 180 on it under trump.
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Bettie
(19,506 posts)he will NEED to vote by mail, as he is generally gone Monday through Friday at a job site.
Well, maybe he can make it in on a Monday morning during early voting.
DH's schedule often has him out of town on election day as well.
Me? I have all the time in the world, but as a woman who changed her name after marriage....who knows if I'll be allowed to vote, even with a passport?
Wounded Bear
(64,063 posts)They might have to take that day off or at least the morning.
Sadly, a lot of people won't and will just not vote, Republicans too.
Of course, all three of us are Central Committee members for our county Democratic party, so we may be rounded up and warehoused by the time the election comes along! (Joking....mostly).
hlthe2b
(113,394 posts)with voter registration systems* (ND does not have a registration system).
https://ballotpedia.org/Proof_of_citizenship_requirements_for_voter_registration_by_state
Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, New Hampshire, and Wyoming have laws requiring proof of citizenship at the time of voter registration. The other states merely require you to sign that you are a citizen--not show proof via a passport or certified BC--under penalty of perjury.
With the advent of REALID driver's licenses, recipients will have demonstrated proof of citizenship or eventually will when their licenses renew, but not all Americans have driver's licenses and not all (yet) who do will have the REALID certification.
Plus if you registered many decades ago, states do not make you re-register unless you move outside the precinct.
But, yes, any changes that require proof of citizenship to VOTE (with a valid registration checked against some form of id) at the point your ballot is accepted will destroy voting systems--all of them, but especially mail-in.
Wiz Imp
(9,511 posts)hlthe2b
(113,394 posts)spinbaby
(15,382 posts)I was under the impression that it wasnt.
hlthe2b
(113,394 posts)REALID does not replace a passport and some states documented citizenship for REALID in ways other than a certified birth certificate follow-up, so technically no (or yes and no) unless the REALID Driver's license specifically states so:
A REAL ID-compliant driver's license can serve as proof of U.S. citizenship, but it must indicate that the holder is a citizen. However, many REAL IDs do not explicitly state citizenship, so additional documentation may be required in some cases
RealID does not replace a passport either, but is now mandatory for routine TSA-approval to board flights--including domestic. (yes, TSA can do further screening, but I stated ROUTINE)
But, the point is that states (outside of the 7 plus ND) have never required documentation of citizenship to register, much less vote. They required registrants to sign under penalty of law that they were citizens and to establish their identity via one of several forms of proof--depending on the state. So, those assuming all who have registered (even recently) would have a certified birth certificate at the ready are sorely mistaken.
Wounded Bear
(64,063 posts)It requires proof of citizenship to issue. At least in my state (WA) it does. I know because I need one and I just downloaded the requirements.
Joinfortmill
(20,674 posts)hlthe2b
(113,394 posts)in time, given how many millions of American citizens do not have these documents. And the financial costs are NOT insignificant--even to track down the birth certificate in some states. Yes, I am aware that many are negligible if you go in person and live in the state of your birth, but I just ordered two and paid a major premium (required) to have a special expedited tracked mail system submit to me. And had I not ordered one (birth certificate) in the past few decades, the verification process would have been even more intense. To those who poopooed this issue before when I brought it up, those among our population who can scarcely afford groceries are certainly not in a place to pay $75 or more to get this done, nor to take time off work to try to go in person (which has become increasingly difficult for state and local agencies in many areas sans a online interaction culminating in an appointment-- sometimes a month or more away.
And if that is still not convincing some, think back to the aftermath of Katrina 2005. Not only was there not a final death count, but for those who survived and whose every belonging disappeared, some of those people NEVER got the kind of documentation they would need to accomplish this. Oh, I hear the scoffing now, but I know first hand. Elderly in New Orleans and the hard-hit areas of Mississippi often were born at home and for many, never had a registered birth certificate. There were some few attempts to address this in the Louisiana state house, but to my knowledge it was lost in the horrific numbers of priorities with Katrina recovery. I know some politicos expressed the attitude that most would die before they "needed it," or before legislation could be passed and implemented so turned to other issues. Well, yes, by now a lot of those people have died--whether they ever got SS or other benefits, I have no idea, but those who never had a registered birth probably did not.
Yes. I feel comfortable that this level of citizenship proof to vote would be struck by the courts. But, would that happen in time or before a major proportion of the electorate would have given up--the very definition of voter suppression? I sincerely doubt it. This is damned serious to any who smile knowing they have their birth certificate and passport and are not women who took their husband's names and who unknowingly may have a voter registration that does not match their documents. And, yes, even some on our side deny this is such a problem. The hell it is not!