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generalbetrayus

(1,654 posts)
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:20 AM Feb 12

Words of wisdom from my awesome son-in-law on Facebook this morning. My daughter is a very lucky woman.

"Do you know what bothers me about hearing people speak foreign languages in public? When I don't know and can't even guess what the language is. I just want to know what it is! And it reminds me that there's so much to learn and know and I'm just a tiny finite being who will never know even a measurable fraction of it.

You know what doesn't bother me about it? Literally anything else. I love that it means there's diversity around me. I love that it means that where I am is desirable enough that people come from all over the world to be here.

Why would it bother me that I can't understand what people are saying a few feet away from me? I can't understand any of the utterances I'm too far away from to hear, or that are said in private or whispered. I don't get what upsets people so much about someone speaking (or singing) in another language."

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Words of wisdom from my awesome son-in-law on Facebook this morning. My daughter is a very lucky woman. (Original Post) generalbetrayus Feb 12 OP
Great attitude. badhair77 Feb 12 #1
Oh, the butt hurt boys are always getting pissed off at being laughed at Walleye Feb 12 #2
I'm 100% with your Son-in-Law. MineralMan Feb 12 #3
It could make some people feel excluded PatSeg Feb 12 #4
Most people aren't being talked about by others in public. haele Feb 12 #6
This is true PatSeg Feb 12 #7
For most of history, in most parts of the world, a polyglot population has been the norm. eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #5
I'm too lazy to provide a link(s), but from my reading of the Middle East at the time of Jesus Christ, I have learned generalbetrayus Feb 12 #8
That's interesting about the French PatSeg Feb 12 #9
I know that Occitan/Provencal was actively spoken in the south. Probably German in the east. Dutch to the north. erronis Feb 12 #11
An Occitan author won a Nobel Prize in Literature. eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #20
Thank you, that was helpful PatSeg Feb 12 #29
Click on the link to the Wikipedia entry; it's pretty thorough. eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #18
Thank you PatSeg Feb 12 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #19
What bothers me the most? otchmoson Feb 12 #10
Had an incident many years back in a Walmart rurallib Feb 12 #12
And I was sitting on a flight from Seattle to DC with a bunch of burly men speaking a strange language. erronis Feb 12 #31
It was a long time before English-speakers first showed up Seinan Sensei Feb 12 #13
I am pleased to send you a DU heart for this wonderful post. NNadir Feb 12 #14
Thank you! generalbetrayus Feb 12 #40
The GOP members LittleGirl Feb 12 #15
Exactly 👍👍💙 TommieMommy Feb 12 #16
I was six years old when we left Budapest I. 1956. ChazInAz Feb 12 #17
A very healthy attitude! You got a good one in that son-in-law. hamsterjill Feb 12 #21
I hear him. As for people who 'love to hate'. They are projecting their self-hatred onto others. Sick fucks. Joinfortmill Feb 12 #22
"Conservatism" isn't a coherent political philosophy; it's just a bad attitude William Seger Feb 12 #24
I prefer to hear people talking to each other in languages other than English. tanyev Feb 12 #23
I like hearing the other languages because they are beautiful and remind me that we are multi-cultural. erronis Feb 12 #32
Echo this! ihaveaquestion Feb 12 #25
Your son-in-law is a good person LetMyPeopleVote Feb 12 #26
Thank you, I agree. generalbetrayus Feb 12 #41
You know what irritates me???????? popsdenver Feb 12 #27
Yep, I get really ticked off about that too ... hard not to take it out on the operators, but not their fault ... eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #33
Yea popsdenver Feb 12 #39
That new name would be more fitting. The states aren't that united these days. raccoon Friday #45
I grew up with relatives speaking Italian around us kids... Historic NY Feb 12 #28
Wow, thanks for that ! nt eppur_se_muova Feb 12 #34
I'm very impressed. He knows a lot of words and is willing to learn more. Better than most Americans. erronis Feb 12 #36
The guy is brilliant! Easterncedar Feb 12 #42
that was WONDERFUL Kali Feb 12 #43
I always feel guilty that I lost all of my Spanish vocabulary from mis-use kerry-is-my-prez Feb 12 #35
just curious Skittles Feb 12 #37
My daughter had a spanish speaking care giver, at her day care. My daughter was her favorite, cksmithy Feb 12 #38
growing up in NYC, that was one of my very favorite things Javaman Friday #44

Walleye

(44,233 posts)
2. Oh, the butt hurt boys are always getting pissed off at being laughed at
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:24 AM
Feb 12

I don’t think anybody is really laughing at them, but they do deserve plenty of ridicule. I’m sure they go out and order guacamole and enchiladas.

MineralMan

(150,970 posts)
3. I'm 100% with your Son-in-Law.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:29 AM
Feb 12

My tendency when I will be encountering people who speak a language I don't know is to learn simple greetings and farewells in that language. Then, I use those to show my interest. I have never seen an ill reception to my simplistic use of any language. It always seems like people are pleased that you took at least the time to try. Most are surprised when I say "Hello," or "Good morning." They're not surprised that that's all I know, but it's OK. I tried.

These days, you can learn those basics on YouTube for any language you can imagine.

PatSeg

(52,731 posts)
4. It could make some people feel excluded
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:29 AM
Feb 12

They may imagine that people are talking about them in a language they don't understand. Of course, there are people who just need an excuse to be pissed off and offended.

The best places I've lived over the years were very diverse. I learned a lot and it created a very healthy environment to raise children.

haele

(15,245 posts)
6. Most people aren't being talked about by others in public.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:47 AM
Feb 12

Not unless they're doing something extraordinary to make them stand out.

I know this, my secret power is blending in; I look like someone's pale auntie, and am basically ignored, even in areas where I would normally stand out as a Gringo or really pale.

Unless they're talking to me directly or discussing participating in a crime near me, does it matter what other people are saying? I'm not the f'ing center of the world, abitrator of other people's motivations or desires, after all ..

PatSeg

(52,731 posts)
7. This is true
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:52 AM
Feb 12

Plus, if people are talking about you, it is pretty easy to tell. People aren't all that subtle.

Sometimes it is nice not knowing what people are saying. The conversations of other people can be a distraction if you're trying to think or read. If it is in a different language, it can become just background noise.

eppur_se_muova

(41,470 posts)
5. For most of history, in most parts of the world, a polyglot population has been the norm.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:32 AM
Feb 12

Last edited Thu Feb 12, 2026, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)

People who believe otherwise have not read enough history. The US is something of an exception in this regard.

It is estimated that at the time of the French Revolution in 1789, only half of the population of France could speak French, and as late as 1871 only a quarter spoke French as their native language.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_France




ETA: I could also have mentioned that modern Spain, formed by the union of Aragon and Castille, has a greater variety of languages than most Americans are aware of (hey, them Yerpeens is weird, huh?) -- the Barcelona Olympics brought a lot of attention to Catalunya (Catalonia) and its language. Rick Steves has also discussed Catalan culture on some his shows.




I'm not very good at learning languages, but I've tried learning other alphabets so I can understand some of what protest signs in foreign countries are saying. If you're considering learning the Cyrillic alphabet, let me save you some trouble & tell you that many protest signs in Russia say "Putin Nyet", which I believe needs no translation.

generalbetrayus

(1,654 posts)
8. I'm too lazy to provide a link(s), but from my reading of the Middle East at the time of Jesus Christ, I have learned
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 10:53 AM
Feb 12

that national borders were very fluid at that time. There were many Greeks living in Palestine at the time who adopted the Jewish faith. And Jewish and early Christian doctrine welcomed strangers from other lands.

erronis

(23,307 posts)
11. I know that Occitan/Provencal was actively spoken in the south. Probably German in the east. Dutch to the north.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 11:12 AM
Feb 12

Of course to the Parisians, nobody else speaks francaise.

(Darn DU won't let me put in accented letters....)

eppur_se_muova

(41,470 posts)
20. An Occitan author won a Nobel Prize in Literature.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 12:08 PM
Feb 12

... such as Occitan, which was already being written at a time when French was not and its literature has continued to thrive, with a Nobel Prize for Frédéric Mistral in 1904.

Response to PatSeg (Reply #9)

otchmoson

(308 posts)
10. What bothers me the most?
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 11:07 AM
Feb 12

Acknowledging that our educational system is so arrogant that a second language is not required, or at least encouraged.

rurallib

(64,633 posts)
12. Had an incident many years back in a Walmart
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 11:13 AM
Feb 12

white 2 guys behind me were speaking in a language I could not make out. Being a university city that was nothing new, but usually I could sort of guess about what it was.

But this one I had no idea - so I asked. Both proudly answered together that it was Arabic. Once again I marveled at the different people I encountered because of the university.

erronis

(23,307 posts)
31. And I was sitting on a flight from Seattle to DC with a bunch of burly men speaking a strange language.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 03:45 PM
Feb 12

I can speak (not fluently) 3-4 western European languages and understand the tones of some of the eastern European ones. But these guys were speaking something very unusual.

Now, I lived in northern NY and Vermont and have been to Canada many times. When I met up with them at baggage claim, I asked what they were speaking. They said French. Quebecois. But their accents were so strong that I couldn't grasp a single word in French. They laughed when I mentioned this and said that they were from the Laurentians and some other Quebecois couldn't understand them either.

Seinan Sensei

(1,473 posts)
13. It was a long time before English-speakers first showed up
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 11:25 AM
Feb 12

There were hundreds of other languages, before and during the English-language incursion into North America

ChazInAz

(3,007 posts)
17. I was six years old when we left Budapest I. 1956.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 12:01 PM
Feb 12

We eventually wound up in Springfield, Illinois' "Cabbage Patch": an immigrant neighborhood that was mostly Slavs, Magyars and assorted Bohunks. My father insisted that we speak English at home, resulting in us children losing our Hungarian.
Of course, that didn't prevent us from learning interesting words from our less restrained, polyglot neighbors! Get me tired and/or mad enough to let my accent slip and I'll let fly with some profanities picked up from a terrifyingly ancient Cossak who lived across the street.

hamsterjill

(17,260 posts)
21. A very healthy attitude! You got a good one in that son-in-law.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 12:24 PM
Feb 12

It doesn't bother me that people speak a language that I don't understand. I realize that I'm a tiny speck on the planet and that there is a whole wide world out there besides me and my preferences.

That said, I'm getting older and I have a hard time sometimes understanding customer service reps who speak in English, but it isn't their first language. I try never to be rude, but I do get embarrassed sometimes at myself for having to ask "can you say that again, please". I don't think that makes me a horrible person. I think that makes me human. We all have differences. We are all unique. We deal as best we can.

Joinfortmill

(20,662 posts)
22. I hear him. As for people who 'love to hate'. They are projecting their self-hatred onto others. Sick fucks.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 12:58 PM
Feb 12

William Seger

(12,324 posts)
24. "Conservatism" isn't a coherent political philosophy; it's just a bad attitude
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 01:18 PM
Feb 12

Specifically, it's a list of grievances, and the reason "conservative principles" are often ignored or contradicted is that they are just rationalizations for the grievances.

I saw a comment on YouTube that said: "I don't care if they deport all the immigrants, legal or illegal, if I don't ever have to press 1 for English again."

tanyev

(48,954 posts)
23. I prefer to hear people talking to each other in languages other than English.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 01:14 PM
Feb 12

When you’re in a public place it’s impossible to avoid eavesdropping on people near you who are talking loud enough to be heard. I’ve heard a lot of conversations about things I didn’t want to know.

When they’re talking in another language, it’s easier to tune it out if I’m trying to read, or I can listen and appreciate the musicality of the language and their expressiveness without understanding one word of it and feeling like a creepy eavesdropper.

erronis

(23,307 posts)
32. I like hearing the other languages because they are beautiful and remind me that we are multi-cultural.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 03:47 PM
Feb 12

ihaveaquestion

(4,556 posts)
25. Echo this!
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 01:23 PM
Feb 12

Years ago, we knew someone married to a Turkish woman... Lovely person and what a beautiful language! I loved to hear her say anything at all in it... didn't matter what it was, it was all so beautifully melodic.

popsdenver

(1,985 posts)
27. You know what irritates me????????
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 01:32 PM
Feb 12

Is when we call customer service for a problem, and when, and if we get by all the computer's chats, etc, we finally get a live agent, the person is in another country. Classically India, and although they speak English, their accent is SOOOOO thick, they are not understandable. I always kindly tell them, to talk slower and pronounce their words better, so that I can understand......they usually understand and comply, but not always and I am regretfully forced to just hang up.....

Of course, these same Corporations that are all saying: RAH, RAH AMERICA, and are all sending U.S. jobs to other countries?????

Since I was young, a thousand years ago, I have always heard the same exact refrain out of these Corporations:
"We can't find anyone who wants to work"........
Instead of truthfully saying:
"We can't find anyone who wants to work for our outrageously low amount we want to pay"

The Corporations are truly what are running America, and we are stuck, WITH THE BEST REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS THAT THE CORPORATIONS CAN BUY.......

I fully expect, that some time down the road, the United States of America will be renamed, The Corporate States of America....

eppur_se_muova

(41,470 posts)
33. Yep, I get really ticked off about that too ... hard not to take it out on the operators, but not their fault ...
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 04:50 PM
Feb 12

We dropped WOW for cable and phone largely because I can never reach anyone there ... they have that kind of phone service and an online chat which is very slow, because obviously one person is handling multiple customers ... and you can't make certain changes online, only by phone ....

popsdenver

(1,985 posts)
39. Yea
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 07:53 PM
Feb 12

those on line chats are often AI Bots? programmed to help you, but almost always can't.......
I just went thru that for 40 minutes trying to cancel an app called FUBO and finally gave up. They were charging over a hundred bucks a month, and making almost impossible to cancel......cute, huh.
My Super Geek son took over, and in a few minutes had it cancelled, using weird techniques that not everyone knows how to do.

Historic NY

(39,868 posts)
28. I grew up with relatives speaking Italian around us kids...
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 01:52 PM
Feb 12

you know after a bit the words and the slang. The bad words too. Sometime we'd speak a phrase back at them and it was shock, mostly because they now knew, we knew.

There is a guy on you-tube thats a wiz on languages I love his videos . He does do obscure American and first Nations languages and sometime make people cry when he uses their native tongue.

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I always try to have a few phrases that i memorize when I travel. Those first few words even if its hello, good day, how are you, makes a difference.

erronis

(23,307 posts)
36. I'm very impressed. He knows a lot of words and is willing to learn more. Better than most Americans.
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 05:12 PM
Feb 12

Easterncedar

(5,914 posts)
42. The guy is brilliant!
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 09:28 PM
Feb 12

This is a delightful video. So much fun. And is just shows how lovely people can be, everywhere. So willing to be kind.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,246 posts)
35. I always feel guilty that I lost all of my Spanish vocabulary from mis-use
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 04:58 PM
Feb 12

I took several years of Spanish in high school and college. I even acted as a translator once. I’m 70, so I basically have major brain farts when it comes to English. I plan on going back to relearn it.

Skittles

(170,473 posts)
37. just curious
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 05:15 PM
Feb 12

why doesn't he just ask what language he is hearing - I politely asked a couple of ladies at the Post Office and they said Swahili....it sounded so cool

cksmithy

(479 posts)
38. My daughter had a spanish speaking care giver, at her day care. My daughter was her favorite,
Thu Feb 12, 2026, 06:46 PM
Feb 12

she heard spanish and was cuddled by her when she was a baby and toddler. The babysitter knew very little english, she was a refugee from El Salvador. So years later, my daughter takes high school spanish, the teacher tells us during a 9th grade parent conference/visit, that my daughter has a funny accent, but wow she is excelling in Spanish class. The teacher has never had a english only speaker progress this well. We tell her she heard of a lot of spanish as a baby and toddler. That appears to explain her success. She took Spanish all four years of high school.

Funny story, my daughter always wore wildly patterned socks to school. So one day, she's walking down the hall in school and over hears two girls noticing and kind of making fun of her socks, She didn't respond to them, but she knew what they were saying. Laughed her head off, telling us the story. She was happy they noticed her socks. They didn't have a clue she understood them.

Javaman

(65,466 posts)
44. growing up in NYC, that was one of my very favorite things
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:31 AM
Friday

the literally dozens of language one could hear during the course of a regular day.

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