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Why is MAGA so hateful?I get asked this a lot. The short answer is: because hate is the point. But let me break it down.
Grievance as identity
MAGA isn't a political movement built on policy. It's built on resentment. The core message has always been "you've been wronged" by elites, by immigrants, by cities, by universities, by the media, by women, by minorities, by anyone who isn't you.
This isn't a coalition that comes together to BUILD something. It comes together to tear things down. Hate isn't a byproduct of the movement. It's the fuel.
Zero-sum thinking
They genuinely believe that if someone else gains, they lose. Rights for gay people? That's an attack on Christians. Immigrants succeeding? They must be stealing from "real Americans." A Black president? He must be illegitimate.
There's no concept of shared prosperity or expanding opportunity. Just winners and losers. And they're terrified of losing.
The dominance hierarchy
A lot of MAGA is rooted in evangelical and authoritarian psychology. There's supposed to be a natural order: white at the top, Christian at the top, male at the top, straight at the top.
When you've been at the top of a hierarchy your whole life, equality feels like oppression. Giving others a seat at the table feels like theft.
The media ecosystem
Fox News → OANN → Newsmax → podcasts → Twitter/X. It's a 24/7 rage machine. Every algorithm rewards outrage. Every host competes to be more extreme than the last.
These people are literally addicted to anger. Neurologically. They get dopamine hits from feeling righteous fury. They wake up and immediately check their phones to find out what they should be mad about today.
Turn it off for a week and they go through withdrawal.
Economic anxiety weaponized
Here's the thing: a lot of the underlying pain is real. Deindustrialization gutted their towns. Opioids killed their families. Wages stagnated while costs exploded. The American Dream stopped working for them.
But instead of blaming the corporations that shipped jobs overseas, or the billionaires that rigged the economy, or the politicians that deregulated everything they're taught to blame immigrants. To blame welfare recipients. To blame Black people in cities. To blame trans kids.
Classic fascist playbook: take legitimate economic anger and redirect it at the vulnerable.
The permission structure
Trump didn't create the hate. He just gave it permission.
For decades, these people were told to keep the quiet part quiet. Be polite. Use dog whistles. Then Trump came along and said the loud part loud and nothing happened. No consequences.
He showed them they could be openly racist, openly cruel, openly contemptuous of democracy and not only survive, but win.
"He fights" doesn't mean he fights for them. It means he's mean to people they don't like. The cruelty is the point.
Community built on enemies
This is the part people miss: MAGA is a community. For a lot of these people especially older, rural, isolated Americans it's their entire social world. Their friends are MAGA. Their family is MAGA. Their church is MAGA.
The hate is the membership card. The shared enemies are what bind them together. Leaving the movement doesn't just mean changing your politics. It means losing everyone you know.
So they double down. And double down again. Because the alternative is being alone.
The bottom line
Why is MAGA so hateful?
Because scared people + relentless propaganda + permission to be cruel + community built on shared enemies = hate as a lifestyle.
They're not going to be reasoned out of it. They weren't reasoned into it.
The only thing that works is making it socially and politically costly to be part of it. Outvoting them. Out-organizing them. And building something better that gives people a different place to belong.
Source:
Link to tweet
RockRaven
(18,952 posts)It means these hateful sacks of crap aren't going anywhere and aren't going to change when The Dotard finally kicks the bucket. They will still be a problem to deal with after that.
Nevilledog
(54,763 posts)progressoid
(52,806 posts)They used to be a minority in the shadows but Trump and a sycophantic media has helped them come out and multiply.
paleotn
(21,844 posts)Intractable
(1,765 posts)They used to be isolated.
progressoid
(52,806 posts)A lot of Democrats and media talking heads need to wake up to the reality that these aren't people to be reasoned with.
durablend
(9,016 posts)purr-rat beauty
(1,098 posts)...like Stockholm syndrome. These are people who have been hurt in the past, they easily acquiesce when battered repeatedly psychologically.
lame54
(39,321 posts)We're bullies who are bigger than you so give us your lunch money
Johonny
(25,761 posts)They were taught to devalue education, and over value group identity. This group vaguely includes race, religion, political party. They were primed to be in a cult since they were born.
AverageOldGuy
(3,574 posts)From the movie Tombstone:
Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein' born.
kimbutgar
(26,996 posts)He had an awful father who was cruel to him. And he had a job he loved and came in one day and was fired because of a merger. He never got a good paying job again. Worked in the Amazon factory, supermarket and now a postal carrier. And he blames his problems on DEI and minorities because he cant find a good paying job.
hedda_foil
(16,951 posts)It's not their fault, but someone must be blamed for their pain of repeated trauma and failure. American society has become too unstable and corrupted and these people are caught in the trap.
WiVoter
(1,574 posts)Thank you! Excellent post.
Uncle Joe
(64,564 posts)*rump having "information phobia," I think to a lesser degree many of his followers do as well.
Thanks for the thread Nevilledog
markodochartaigh
(5,242 posts)for someone of his class and wealth in his lack of curiosity about the world in which we live. But having grown up in an extremely religious, red area I would say that the percentage of conservative religious people who had a real curiosity about a broad range of subjects is less than 10%. To me it almost seems to be a distinguishing feature, I've never met people from any other population so fiercely obstinate in their ignorance. Even trying to engage them with "God created nature so we owe it to God to appreciate it through studying it" fell on deaf ears.
AverageOldGuy
(3,574 posts)True story -- wife is from a small town in Alabama. Back in 2019, a few months after Notre Dame cathedral burned, there was a death in her family. We went down for a week -- funeral, visit friends, etc.
We visited a couple, she had grown up with the two of them. Both college grads. He served a few terms in the Alabama state legislature.
Wife told them our daughter was in France and had visited the ruins of Notre Dame. THEY DID NOT KNOW NOTRE DAME HAD BURNED. HAD NO IDEA. IN FACT, AT FIRST THEY THOUGHT THE FIRE WAS AT NOTRE DAME UNIVERSITY. What was worse, after she told them, they showed no interest in the fire and no interest in what our daughter was doing in France. They quickly took the conversation back to their problems with their rose garden and some goings-on at their church.
After we left, my wife was speechless at, as she put it, "How did they get so stupid??? No wonder people make fun of us A;abama natives!!"
MagickMuffin
(18,224 posts)And it brews all day long. Its sad that is all they crave. It feeds their lost souls.
There is an intolerant preacher who has been following the Walk for Peace, since GA. He has a loud speaker and signs like the Westbrook kooks he carries as well. He is extremely rude, disrespectful of the Venerable Monks. The Spiritual Leader Pannakara does not engage with him, even though he has tried. Pannakara has even offered him a flower and he will not accept it.
But the Venerable Monks are drawing 10s of thousands of people to greet them on their journey, during sub freezing conditions. The roads are lined with people all walks of life, offering flowers, hand warmers, lip balm, etc. The Enforcers have been providing escorts throughout the south on their journey to DC.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,323 posts)were and are a convenient tool for the billionaire class to use and support in order to gain and retain more power and wealth.
It worked especially well for Foreign billionaires because they never bought into what America truly means which is diversity and freedom for all.
Our domestic self made billionaires for the most part didn't start off this way, save for the Koch Brothers and a few others.
FakeNoose
(40,759 posts)OANN, Newsmax, Xwitter would have never existed.
But Faux Noise didn't flop, they made boatloads of money for doing practically nothing but spewing hatred 24/7/365. I blame them for everything, and I blame hate-radio like Rush Limbaugh and his imitators.
Oh my God, they have ruined our country!
LoisB
(12,586 posts)B.See
(8,031 posts)I would've said (and have said, in various ways on occasions past) though I'd probably add that they're angry because, not only have they been DUPED, but they willingly, eagerly SUBMITTED to being duped. Angry because they KNOW they've been duped.
And not by those they love to demonize - that minority, immigrant 'other' they love to blame for their own shortcomings, for allowing themselves to be duped
but DUPED by Trump and those representatives they REPEATEDLY vote for and place trust in.
And (as suggested above) rather than admit to it by turning on those they KNOW have been rear ending them for DECADES, they double down... via asshole rationalizations, alternate realities, and denialism. The kind of inane, batshitery that pours from their mouths at every interview.
But they don't mind spewing bullshit and coming off like lunatics. Because better to hate on mythological BOOGIEMEN than to admit to knowingly and wilfully being PLAYED (by their billionaire class) as "suckers and losers" their entire fkng LIVES.
Permanut
(8,138 posts)K & R
ThreeNoSeep
(289 posts)The author should disclose when they use it.
CTyankee
(67,915 posts)insists on having society fashioned the way they are convinced they should be. God commands it. Abortion is forbidden from conception onward. Theirs is the True Religion and must be strictly forced on all. Only men can lead so a woman cannot be President of the United States.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,379 posts)"The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal economic policies promoted by Milton Friedman and the Chicago school of economics have risen to global prominence because of a deliberate strategy she calls "disaster capitalism". In this strategy, political actors exploit the chaos of natural disasters, wars, and other crises to push through unpopular policies such as deregulation and privatization. This economic "shock therapy" favors corporate interests while disadvantaging and disenfranchising citizens when they are too distracted and overwhelmed to respond or resist effectively."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine?wprov=sfla1
c-rational
(3,148 posts)proud patriot
(102,436 posts)RainCaster
(13,463 posts)When you have such a small penis, you have few options.
Grins
(9,338 posts)Not just MAGA.
Professor Corey Robin wrote about it years ago; the one animating philosophy of conservatism: if he gets something then I get less.
Everything. And that includes voting. If more get the vote - then his vote means less.
