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https://www.rawstory.com/epstein-redactions/
Boomerproud
(9,156 posts)nt
Irish_Dem
(79,884 posts)Adult women too.
I worry that hell is not a bad enough place for this bastard.
AZJonnie
(2,838 posts)I'm still waiting for any actual evidence he raped kids. I'm not saying it couldn't be out there, not by any stretch, but this blurb is just not that, objectively
That said, my position is it's still damning as fuck, even if his guilt extends only to him knowing for years and going along with it, not reporting it, and instead "chuckling" with Epstein. That's not that far away from molesting the kids himself, in my book.
And as I've shared a lot of times, I suspect he even tried to blackmail Epstein over it, rather than report it, because Epstein knew Trump was laundering Russian oligarch money through his South Florida properties. Which is even a whole other level of shitty than just not reporting it.
Irish_Dem
(79,884 posts)I don't know where that evidence is now located.
Trump was hanging around too many teen pageants, going thru their dressing rooms,
interested in teens working at MAL, made too many comments about his daughter,
for me to think he is innocent.
And we know for fact he raped adult women and set them up.
Trump is a serious ruthless psychopath.
Everyone else is just a plaything for him.
AZJonnie
(2,838 posts)We know he met Guiffre at MAL, but she said he was a gentleman.
Yes, he owned a Teen pageant, so presumably he "hung around", true.
Yes, he said he's "allowed" to go into the Miss USA (not Teen USA) dressing room if he wants to on Stern.
And yes for sure super-creepy shit about Ivanka, no argument there, and he's ABSOLUTELY a rapist of grown women.
So I readily stipulate there's ample reason to SUSPECT he raped kids, but no actual evidence, that's my point. And personally I think if Epstein had video of Trump raping kids, its *existence* would've been confirmed by now. I don't think Garland would've sat on such *proof positive* evidence of Trump doing something like that.
If he did, JFC!
Fact is, there's not even solid proof Epstein taped anyone raping kids. Not saying it therefore must not exist, just that there's no way (YET!) to be as certain as you're proclaiming to be
Irish_Dem
(79,884 posts)I most certainly do not have to present a solid court case of evidence to give my opinion.
Like many, I can add 2 plus 2 and get 4.
I can also look at evidence and make educated high probability guesses based on a person's psych profile.
1. Trump was furious with Epstein for "stealing" some of his teen girl employees at MAL.
Since when does the CEO of a company give a damn about a towel girl at the hotel spa?
Why are Epstein and Trump fighting over a pretty blond teenager working at the spa??
A girl who becomes one of Epstein's trafficking victims.
2. Many reports exist that Trump went into the dressing rooms of naked teen pageant girls.
The girls have complained about it.
3. We have public knowledge of Trump raping adult women.
4. We have public knowledge of Trump making sexual comments about young girls.
5. We have tons of evidence that Trump and Epstein were good long term friends.
Epstein ran a child sex ring. Would you stay friends with someone like Epstein if you were innocent
and a good person?
6. Trump is a vicious, brutal psychopath who is dangerous. He fits the profile of a pedophile along with
the other facts.
In my opinion it is at least 75% probability that Trump is a pedophile.
AZJonnie
(2,838 posts)And I was not meaning to sound like I was holding you to court-level proof, but you said "certainly" and I was confused how you could literally be certain. I see you meant it differently than I read it
As I've shared a few times here, I remain unconvinced of accuracy of the term "child sex ring" (based on actual evidence so far and what people would generally understand that term to mean), but leaving that aside as I've also shared many times, Trump at least knew he was (illegally) paying minors for sex with himself, I'm 95% sure of that. And said nothing at the time
The closest thing I know for sure of re: Trump making sexual comments about young girls was talking with Stern about his daughter, saying she was going to 'age out' when she was IIRC 17 y.o. Skeevy AF to be sure, but I don't know of other similar quotes. If you feel like sharing them, I'd certainly read them to educate myself further
IIRC also the whole bit about Trump supposedly being "furious" about Epstein pinching Guiffre from his employ came out recently, and to me smacked of CYA after the fact, and I don't particularly believe he was aware it happened at the time. However if he actually was, and he really was furious, that could theoretically be because he knew what Epstein was up to, and disapproved of Epstein's actions. But of course, that reading strongly suggests he knew WHY Maxwell recruited her, and we know he said nothing to authorities. So even with his CYA, he also implicated himself. Unless he's actually trying to put forward the idea he just really CARED about a towel girl at the club taking another "job", which is totally NOT believable
slightlv
(7,438 posts)Don't go there... you'll never find a shower hot enough to scrub off the "Yuk"...
Irish_Dem
(79,884 posts)FHRRK
(1,358 posts)See link below: they are officially renamed to The Donald J. Trump Epstein Files.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220879546
usonian
(23,589 posts)Cheers!
calimary
(89,047 posts)Only problem is: if Pam Bondi is sent packing, what nightmare appointee will be given her job?
usonian
(23,589 posts)It's exactly what they spent countless hours to hide, and every hidden tidbit has to be much worse.
Dulcinea
(9,676 posts)The Fascist Felon will waltz away & leave her holding the bag...and the files.
usonian
(23,589 posts)Starting with his WIFE.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,506 posts)RoeVWade
(832 posts)frankly, I say HURRAH to that!!! I hope this shit gets even worse for them with even more questions.