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Tommy Carcetti

(44,407 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:25 AM Dec 16

Looks like Susie Wiles has had enough.






Calls Trump "an alcoholic personality," Vance a "conspiracy theorist" and opportunist, Musk a ketamine addict and "odd duck" and Vought a "right wing zealot."

I'm not all that surprised, to be honest.

While I wouldn't by any means call Wiles a good person, she always struck me as more of a Trump 45 character than a Trump 47 character. That is, more of a pragmatic, seasoned long-time political operative tasked with being a guardrail to Trump's worst impulses as opposed to the true loyalists that dominate the White House in this second term.

Whatever way you cut it, she'll be gone within a week, if not sooner.
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Looks like Susie Wiles has had enough. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Dec 16 OP
She's putting out exactly the info she wants to put out Prairie Gates Dec 16 #1
I agree. She has an agenda. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #6
My first thought get the red out Dec 16 #28
It appears to be a sucker punch popsdenver Dec 16 #36
She may say that, however, its all on tape, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 16 #42
The thing is, she denies it, maga will believe the denial, and then believe nothing else about it. sboatcar Dec 16 #43
Of course the MAGAT's are going to believe her, that's how fucking stupid they are, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 16 #49
So many of the MAGA worms truly believe that Trump is Christ RVN VET71 Dec 17 #69
Hey popsdenver Dec 16 #48
Exactly. What makes no sense is that Trump hasn't fired her already. Bluetus Dec 17 #71
If so, she failed. It has done damage. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #46
Of course, they are criminals and psychopaths. Always have an angle. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #45
Ran out of fcuks C_U_L8R Dec 16 #2
Yes could be her exit interview. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #7
Check out 36 for my opinion popsdenver Dec 16 #38
He couldn't have won without her MadameButterfly Dec 16 #61
But she is a fcuk mucifer Dec 16 #62
Pfft... Mike Nelson Dec 16 #3
When Trump reads that Vanity Fair piece (or someone tells him what's in it), Wiles will be history. sop Dec 16 #4
agree - if she quietly resigned no one would care TBF Dec 16 #5
Yes it could be her resignation with public exit interview. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #8
Chump has a history of firing Chiefs of Staff, they never last longer than a year FakeNoose Dec 16 #22
She could make a bloody fortune dishing dirt on the orange F wad. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #44
Yes, clearly she had every intention of leaving PatSeg Dec 16 #13
LOL popsdenver Dec 16 #37
check out #36 sop popsdenver Dec 16 #39
"I suspect they'll all hang, so maybe I should go my own way" struggle4progress Dec 16 #9
Wiles will leave, and Miller will get promoted. Fiendish Thingy Dec 16 #10
This! Joinfortmill Dec 16 #17
I read that Wiles was placed in the WH by Putin to manage Trump. yardwork Dec 16 #11
And America and Americans lose.-- Thanks for this rurallib Dec 16 #20
I'm thinking trump is trying to start a war with China, or at least a game of chicken, BComplex Dec 16 #33
You need to read the Vanity Fair piece to learn how much she understands the 'alcoholic personality,' and how ancianita Dec 16 #50
Thank you for the archive links Spintocat Dec 16 #55
Happy to. Folks on DU need to read these articles before they offer baseless opinions of her. ancianita Dec 16 #56
I doubt she'll last to the end of the day, hell, till lunch time. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 16 #12
I think Trump depends on her a lot. She is probably the one who tells him he put his diapers travelingthrulife Dec 16 #14
I can't help it. Ilsa Dec 16 #30
Here's what she says about that: "Oh, good Lord," Wiles said. "Trump doesn't depend on anybody." ancianita Dec 16 #52
MCE popsdenver Dec 16 #40
Good, maybe she'll talk some more about his 'alcoholic personality'. Joinfortmill Dec 16 #15
I don't care what "agenda" she has. I welcome all dissension within MAGA's ranks. Martin68 Dec 16 #16
Me too. Just hold your nose. Joinfortmill Dec 16 #18
SMART orangecrush Dec 16 #24
Sounds like she has one foot out the door. That may not be a good thing. Reports suggest that she's the only sane one of Fil1957 Dec 16 #19
Did she mention... 2naSalit Dec 16 #21
She should be called to testify orangecrush Dec 16 #23
I read both parts karin_sj Dec 16 #25
K&R UTUSN Dec 16 #31
RFK Jr not JFK Jr. milestogo Dec 16 #32
Oops! karin_sj Dec 16 #57
agree markie Dec 17 #70
This administration is a bunch of evil Matryoshka dolls wolfie001 Dec 16 #26
She was put in place to hold the shit show Johonny Dec 16 #27
BUT SHE'S STILL THERE. milestogo Dec 16 #29
"My Bobby" on R F K Jr. Susan should call bronxiteforever Dec 16 #34
That's one way to quit JoseBalow Dec 16 #35
Yep. She's done. Liberal In Texas Dec 16 #41
Trump probably put her up to it because of the Epstein files upcoming date. 33taw Dec 16 #47
It is one hell of a resignation letter. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #51
How many ketchup bottles will Donny throw this time? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 16 #53
When is her book coming out? mercuryblues Dec 16 #54
Chump's dementia is worsening, so duckworth969 Dec 16 #58
She's an enabler of monsters CanonRay Dec 16 #59
Not sure this is some weird psyop . . . DarthDem Dec 16 #60
FUCK HER Skittles Dec 16 #63
Falling on her sword, or protecting her "legacy" and future employment prospects? /nt artemisia1 Dec 16 #64
Trump's talk to the nation will be clean up stollen Dec 16 #65
great tune DoBW Dec 16 #66
This made my night. Nt BootinUp Dec 16 #67
She is not done lonely bird Dec 17 #68

Prairie Gates

(7,181 posts)
1. She's putting out exactly the info she wants to put out
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:27 AM
Dec 16

Whether everyone at WH is on board or she is feuding with the Miller-Vance faction is another question altogether.

get the red out

(13,953 posts)
28. My first thought
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:03 PM
Dec 16

What is this sneaky shit about. These people won't even put out a grain of truth without using it for something slimy purpose.

popsdenver

(1,537 posts)
36. It appears to be a sucker punch
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:30 PM
Dec 16

She is now saying everything was made up by the Zealous Far Left Wing Journalist, and in turn, used the situation to lump on massive praise for Trump and this new group of Republicans.......

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,679 posts)
42. She may say that, however, its all on tape,
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:49 PM
Dec 16

and if she didn't mean it, then why, knowing damn well that Vanity Fair is going to publish it, give the interview at all?
Her denials are falling flat and she's nothing more than a lying sycophant trying to save her job.

So, your Gov. is refusing to relinquish control over Tina Peters to the Feds?
Good for him, he's giving the DoJ and Flim Flam Man the one finger salute.

sboatcar

(684 posts)
43. The thing is, she denies it, maga will believe the denial, and then believe nothing else about it.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:02 PM
Dec 16

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,679 posts)
49. Of course the MAGAT's are going to believe her, that's how fucking stupid they are,
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:08 PM
Dec 16

but the general public will know she's lying.

RVN VET71

(3,126 posts)
69. So many of the MAGA worms truly believe that Trump is Christ
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 08:34 AM
Dec 17

Or at least the man Christ chose to represent him.

I wish I was a believer. I could sleep at night certain that a wrathful God was going to call this over-ripe pumpkin of a man to account. As it is, without an angry godhead, it's a good guess that Trump will leave this mortal coil with a smile on his face after activating the nuclear football to blow us all to nothingness.

popsdenver

(1,537 posts)
48. Hey
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:08 PM
Dec 16

do you remember the sucker punch, hit job they did on ACORN? I guess we will wait and see. Check out her recent decades of work, She is no slouch and obviously a brilliant woman. If she stays as Chief of Staff we will know if I am correct......

Yea, Polis stood up on this one, although through out his first term he acted like a pro-corporate DINO, and now that the is a lame duck in his second term. He is really really acting like a DINO......very pro corporations.......

I have to say, that I wouldn't want to be the Governor in Colorado, or the Mayor in Denver, with all the targeting of Trump on Blue States......The Republicans withholding all kinds of established money has raised havoc with Colorado's and Denver's Budgets.
Gov Abbott in Texas helped out by dumping TEN OF THOUSANDS of immigrants from Texas on the streets of Denver in November and December of last year.......

WASF

Bluetus

(2,283 posts)
71. Exactly. What makes no sense is that Trump hasn't fired her already.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 08:54 AM
Dec 17

That's the piece we need to figure out. We know there are competing factions inside this administration, but she seemed to attack ALL of them. Obviously, somebody is backing her. Who is it?

Mike Nelson

(10,912 posts)
3. Pfft...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:34 AM
Dec 16

... she's had a front row seat. I am not one of his "inner circle," and enough was enough a long time ago.

sop

(17,407 posts)
4. When Trump reads that Vanity Fair piece (or someone tells him what's in it), Wiles will be history.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:42 AM
Dec 16

I suspect this was a calculated move and Wiles wants to be fired. Susie knows Trump is sinking fast and she doesn't want to go down with the ship. If she stays her future in Republican party politics will be over.

(The Vanity Fair piece is a must read.)

TBF

(35,627 posts)
5. agree - if she quietly resigned no one would care
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:56 AM
Dec 16

She's ready to tell her story on the news - whether it's Fox or another one of the networks

FakeNoose

(40,155 posts)
22. Chump has a history of firing Chiefs of Staff, they never last longer than a year
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:03 AM
Dec 16

I'm certain that Susie Wiles is aware of that statistic. Either she's already done with him, or she wants to be fired so she can add it to the last chapter of her "bestselling" book, that will be coming out next year.

PatSeg

(52,143 posts)
13. Yes, clearly she had every intention of leaving
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:26 AM
Dec 16

She just isn't going to leave quietly. Good for her.

popsdenver

(1,537 posts)
37. LOL
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:36 PM
Dec 16

I think it was a masterpiece hit job, meant to sucker punch a Journalist and his magazine.......

I can't picture her, with her history, and as Chief of Staff, actually saying all those things unless it was to make a left wing article's author look like a complete liar and fool......He apparently took the bait......

Check out her background over the past decades...............

Fiendish Thingy

(22,017 posts)
10. Wiles will leave, and Miller will get promoted.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:12 AM
Dec 16

Last edited Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Fasten your seatbelts.

EDIT:
I just read the whole Vanity Fair piece, and the clickbait quotes are largely taken out of context, and are a minuscule portion of an interview that is otherwise loyal and fawning over Trump.

I don’t think Wiles is going anywhere.

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
11. I read that Wiles was placed in the WH by Putin to manage Trump.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:14 AM
Dec 16

Since she seems to be auditioning to be fired, it looks like there's a power struggle in the Oval Office between China and Russia, and it looks like China might have won a recent round.

BComplex

(9,748 posts)
33. I'm thinking trump is trying to start a war with China, or at least a game of chicken,
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:11 PM
Dec 16

due to China's support of Venezuela, and trump's desire to rebirth the Monroe doctrine.

ancianita

(42,847 posts)
50. You need to read the Vanity Fair piece to learn how much she understands the 'alcoholic personality,' and how
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:37 PM
Dec 16

experienced she is at running campaigns.

Part I: https://archive.is/vElJJ
Part II: https://archive.is/CLjCC

ancianita

(42,847 posts)
56. Happy to. Folks on DU need to read these articles before they offer baseless opinions of her.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:56 PM
Dec 16


These offer a heretofore unknown history of her leadership skills.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,679 posts)
12. I doubt she'll last to the end of the day, hell, till lunch time.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:19 AM
Dec 16

Flim Flam Man's head is probably doing this right now.
and getting the one trillion lawsuit ready against Vanity Fair.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
14. I think Trump depends on her a lot. She is probably the one who tells him he put his diapers
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:32 AM
Dec 16

on the outside of his pants instead of underneath his pants.

Ilsa

(63,817 posts)
30. I can't help it.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:05 PM
Dec 16


I used to take care of people with cognitive and psychiatric problems. Sometimes the things they would unconsciously do would bring a big smile for the effort, but not in a mean, bullying way. But with Trump, my empathy is still locked up.

ancianita

(42,847 posts)
52. Here's what she says about that: "Oh, good Lord," Wiles said. "Trump doesn't depend on anybody."
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:40 PM
Dec 16

I told Wiles, “is that we’ve never had a president who governs so much by whim and who depends so much on one person: you.”
“Oh, good Lord,” Wiles said. “Trump doesn’t depend on anybody.”

That's the last sentence in a two-part interview report.

https://archive.is/CLjCC#selection-2329.33-2333.63

popsdenver

(1,537 posts)
40. MCE
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:42 PM
Dec 16

Check out my # 36 comment............time will tell if I am correct........Trump/Republicans would love her deceit of Vanity Fair and the left wing article.......A real sucker punch......much like was done to Acorn?......

Fil1957

(532 posts)
19. Sounds like she has one foot out the door. That may not be a good thing. Reports suggest that she's the only sane one of
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:47 AM
Dec 16

the bunch.

karin_sj

(1,325 posts)
25. I read both parts
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:26 AM
Dec 16

The harsh quotes that Vanity Fair picked to highlight the article are couched by softer words that excuse, justify, and support what this administration is doing. She even supports what RFK Jr. (who she refers to fondly as "my Bobby" ) is doing. The only one that she really seems to distain is Musk. She praises and supports almost everything that has taken place since the election. For example:

"For Trump, Wiles has helped pick a Cabinet of MAGA hard-liners: Pete Hegseth, secretary of war (formerly defense); Kash Patel, FBI director; John Ratcliffe, CIA director; Pam Bondi, attorney general; Tulsi Gabbard, director of national intelligence; and Kristi Noem, head of Homeland Security. Wiles calls them “a world-class Cabinet, better than anything I could have conceived of.” Trump’s Cabinet members are either one of the least qualified presidential teams in history or, to hear Wiles tell it, disrupters—the only people with the balls to take on an entrenched deep state."

She says that he is not falling asleep during meeting—just closing his eyes, justifies his attacks to women reporters because they are the main ones questioning him, she says the boat strikes are warranted, etc, etc. She praises, Vance, Rubio, and most of the others. I was initially hopeful when I read the headlines that she was going to show some reason, but after reading everything, I'd be very surprised if she got fired, quit, or even got much backlash for these interviews. I guess we'll see...

wolfie001

(7,085 posts)
26. This administration is a bunch of evil Matryoshka dolls
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:29 AM
Dec 16

Every time you open one, another worse one emerges. All harbor hate and racism. That's why they joined the fat orange imbecile in the first place.

milestogo

(22,565 posts)
29. BUT SHE'S STILL THERE.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:05 PM
Dec 16

If she had any sense she would have quit a long time ago. Being around a malignant narcissist is EXHAUSTING.

bronxiteforever

(11,086 posts)
34. "My Bobby" on R F K Jr. Susan should call
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:14 PM
Dec 16

it “my measles”. Her connection to Rick Scott, Desantis and Trump tell you all you need to know.
Birds of a feather flock together.

duckworth969

(1,175 posts)
58. Chump's dementia is worsening, so
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Dec 16

She’s getting out before,

a. Chump resigns
b. Chump dies
c. Chump removed by 25th amendment
d. Chump kicks Venezuelan war into high gear with land assaults

DarthDem

(5,442 posts)
60. Not sure this is some weird psyop . . .
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 04:50 PM
Dec 16

If she intended this as some Uno reverse to psyche out the left-wing journo as others have suggested, I don't think it worked very well. Occam's Razor suggests she has had enough of the crapshow to which she has been a witness and decided to talk about it, probably as a means of preserving her reputation or soothing her conscience. I also don't buy the idea that she of all people would fail to understand that the main impact of the interviews would be explosive negative excerpts and sound bites.

stollen

(1,040 posts)
65. Trump's talk to the nation will be clean up
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:08 PM
Dec 16

Last edited Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)

the Vanity Fair piece.

JD has already spun his reaction.

Trump must think it will do significant harm to him to make him want to give a rambling speech that further damages his reputation.

lonely bird

(2,767 posts)
68. She is not done
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 07:27 AM
Dec 17

This is merely more fog, more misdirection.

It is part and parcel of the ongoing coup.

Yeah, I am paranoid about those running the show. It is ALL Project 2025 and the domestic terrorist group the Heritage Foundation.

They want as many bright shiny objects in the air as possible.

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