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UTUSN

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Trump's puffy eyelids pfitz59 Dec 12 #1
And besides his face paint, what's with the non-painted purple eyelids, and the unpainted outside the lines? UTUSN Dec 12 #2
Transcript usonian Dec 12 #3
Why would anyone do that in front of a window? Are we sure that's not fake? These scream YouTube things are Srkdqltr Dec 12 #4
No, I personally can't/don't vouch for the picture. The podcaster's content is credible for me (who am I). UTUSN Dec 12 #5
A true anecdote: Once (so far) I posted something from (I forget: ) AP, Reuters, NPR and UTUSN Dec 13 #7
of course the picture is fake Orangepeel Dec 13 #18
Read a pretty believable Substack from a Ph.D saying it's much more likely to be FTD AZJonnie Dec 12 #6
there was no 'leak', it is someone guessing Celerity Dec 13 #8
Well, that seals it for me! - Isn't there a Congresscritter involved in this somewhere? UTUSN Dec 13 #10
Sydney Kamlager-Dove, Dem House member from CA-37. She is just guessing. Celerity Dec 13 #12
Well, on this internet board where a high percentage of the thousands of posts UTUSN Dec 13 #14
That is not the point. The title of the video is false. There was no leak of which meds Trump is on. Celerity Dec 13 #15
Don't tell me what *my* point is. Your idee fixe about the non-leak and the guessing UTUSN Dec 13 #20
I was not telling you what your point was, I was telling you what MY point was. Celerity Dec 13 #23
You will contradict anything I say to you. (Now say you won't and therefore agree.) So let's wave from the UTUSN Dec 13 #31
Nothing I said was meant as arguing with you, friend :) AZJonnie Dec 13 #19
Thank you. My last night's knot in the stomach (not from you) is letting up. UTUSN Dec 13 #21
The medicine can cause a brain blood leak Captain Zero Dec 13 #11
that is not what the video title means: Celerity Dec 13 #13
I have no way to answer the questions. The podcaster is one with PAKMAN, Luke BEASELEY, Meidas, even Keith EDWARDS UTUSN Dec 13 #9
I think the basis for "leaks" and speculation is to try to force them to 'fess up bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #29
"The info was leaked" implies an action & certainty level that is not backed up by the evidence presented in the video AZJonnie Dec 13 #32
Posted 7 days ago Midas Touch reported / speculated about this... NowsTheTime Dec 13 #16
I saw this podcast a few days ago. BigmanPigman Dec 13 #17
Here's Meidas a few minutes ago. Somebody will likely have a beef with this title, too, UTUSN Dec 13 #22
That has been speculated about quite a bit. MineralMan Dec 13 #24
For the record, the video is not mine, the graphic is not mine and I paid no attention to it. UTUSN Dec 13 #30
Of course it's not your video. MineralMan Dec 13 #33
You don't "care" yet choose to add to it. I've bitten my tongue over more, actually offensive posts than UTUSN Dec 13 #34
You Post. I Post. We All Post. MineralMan Dec 13 #35
Clickbait Greg_In_SF Dec 13 #25
It wasn' t leaked, it is someones guess. nt doc03 Dec 13 #26
"Must have confirmed amyloid plaque in the brain via imaging or spinal fluid tests. " bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #27
I don't care so much which drugs he is getting Hope22 Dec 13 #28
Hope & trust spring eternal, so I thought that an innocuous, community supportive thread UTUSN Dec 13 #36

pfitz59

(12,313 posts)
1. Trump's puffy eyelids
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:08 PM
Dec 12

Hand IV. Multiple MRIs. All signs of an anti dementia drug regimine.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
2. And besides his face paint, what's with the non-painted purple eyelids, and the unpainted outside the lines?
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:17 PM
Dec 12

usonian

(23,510 posts)
3. Transcript
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:21 PM
Dec 12

Srkdqltr

(9,354 posts)
4. Why would anyone do that in front of a window? Are we sure that's not fake? These scream YouTube things are
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:32 PM
Dec 12

Questionable.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
5. No, I personally can't/don't vouch for the picture. The podcaster's content is credible for me (who am I).
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:51 PM
Dec 12

And I am no authority on AI and detest being fooled by it as I've been a couple of times. I myself post what I think is on the level, although I admit that in different moods I post eratically (but not nefariously).

As for this topic goes, this podcaster is not the only one, him and the rest riffing off of some recent news events.

You can be assured that I'm sharing from uplifting-to-us motives, not to mislead if I can help it.

As far as the picture goes, I put it in the category of clickbait journo headlines that don't belong to the author of the article/video content. But I don't blame you for being skeptical and hope that you will contribute any research on "leqembi" or symptoms of the condition and its effects on the patient and caretakers and our national case.





UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
7. A true anecdote: Once (so far) I posted something from (I forget: ) AP, Reuters, NPR and
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:02 AM
Dec 13

somebody immediately Replied, "Is this AI?"

Frustrating.




Orangepeel

(13,975 posts)
18. of course the picture is fake
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 08:54 AM
Dec 13

AZJonnie

(2,769 posts)
6. Read a pretty believable Substack from a Ph.D saying it's much more likely to be FTD
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 11:56 PM
Dec 12

aka Frontotemporal Dementia than Alzheimer's based on the symptoms we are all witnessing.

What is the basis of saying his medication has been "leaked" presented in the video? Or is it actually just someone guessing?

Celerity

(53,638 posts)
8. there was no 'leak', it is someone guessing
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:17 AM
Dec 13

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
10. Well, that seals it for me! - Isn't there a Congresscritter involved in this somewhere?
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:20 AM
Dec 13

Not that Congresscritters aren't capable of guessing.


*** Well, by popular demand, I'll let this go where it popularly will go - nighty nite to all!



Celerity

(53,638 posts)
12. Sydney Kamlager-Dove, Dem House member from CA-37. She is just guessing.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:14 AM
Dec 13

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
14. Well, on this internet board where a high percentage of the thousands of posts
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:46 AM
Dec 13

are guesses, opinions, feelings, spitting in the wind - somebody who detests arguing (me) would like to be able to let my guard down with good faith posts without having to be defensive on a life or death basis.




Celerity

(53,638 posts)
15. That is not the point. The title of the video is false. There was no leak of which meds Trump is on.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 02:41 AM
Dec 13

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
20. Don't tell me what *my* point is. Your idee fixe about the non-leak and the guessing
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:24 AM
Dec 13

Is a deflection of the general topic and your have no problem when other guessings are proffered without any more substantiation than is in this video.

There is a point when relentlessness becomes destructive - or in internet terms, flaming. Paraphrase from the Iliad: Achilles, be not you relentless; only death is relentless; that's why men hate him so.




Celerity

(53,638 posts)
23. I was not telling you what your point was, I was telling you what MY point was.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:54 AM
Dec 13

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
31. You will contradict anything I say to you. (Now say you won't and therefore agree.) So let's wave from the
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:52 PM
Dec 13

decks of our ships passing in the night. Bon voyage.




AZJonnie

(2,769 posts)
19. Nothing I said was meant as arguing with you, friend :)
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:14 AM
Dec 13

You just copied the title of the vid, nothing wrong with that. I was only questioning what I would call a "click-bait" title that the maker of the video chose. NOTHING wrong with you sharing it, I'm not saying you're accountable or anything like that, not arguing with you, just the video creator. I'm just generally tired of so many youtuber's choosing false headlines, and I guess that sort-of made you feel caught in the crossfire. I should've chose my words more carefully

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
21. Thank you. My last night's knot in the stomach (not from you) is letting up.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:28 AM
Dec 13

Captain Zero

(8,736 posts)
11. The medicine can cause a brain blood leak
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:14 AM
Dec 13

Might be the reference.
The blood leak is a side effect.

Too much blood leak in the brain is often associated with a subsequent stroke.

Celerity

(53,638 posts)
13. that is not what the video title means:
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:17 AM
Dec 13
Trump's Dementia Medication Just Leaked...

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
9. I have no way to answer the questions. The podcaster is one with PAKMAN, Luke BEASELEY, Meidas, even Keith EDWARDS
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:19 AM
Dec 13

that I sample most often - as opposed to many on our side who are, I don't know/sort of staid/unwatchable. But all of these are honest.

As for the "guessing" part, this particular one is just one of several as I said with this same topic. He didn't invent the topic, so not "guessing" as such.

Just saying that your "pretty believable Substack from a Ph.D" without further, down deep verification is in the adjacent category as this podcaster who is just relaying information. And I'm just posting something that sounds "pretty believable" to me. I have zero credentials beyond that.




bucolic_frolic

(53,993 posts)
29. I think the basis for "leaks" and speculation is to try to force them to 'fess up
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:10 PM
Dec 13

They might say, "no it's not that" implying it is something else. What we have so far is total obfuscation, hence the speculation.

AZJonnie

(2,769 posts)
32. "The info was leaked" implies an action & certainty level that is not backed up by the evidence presented in the video
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:59 PM
Dec 13

There was no "leak". It was false advertising by the youtube creator (not our DU'er friend to be clear).

That's my only point on this subject, along with the fact that I've seen speculation elsewhere that the observable symptoms match FTD better than Alzheimers, and that this speculation seemed reasonable.

FWIW

NowsTheTime

(1,248 posts)
16. Posted 7 days ago Midas Touch reported / speculated about this...
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 04:27 AM
Dec 13

BigmanPigman

(54,561 posts)
17. I saw this podcast a few days ago.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 05:17 AM
Dec 13

ago. The doctor is credible and makes sense.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
22. Here's Meidas a few minutes ago. Somebody will likely have a beef with this title, too,
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:49 AM
Dec 13

and call it guessing. It will always be guessing until the point he literally collapses or something is undeniably confirmed. And there are scads of these posts out there, even if they are just a sign of our desperation for him to be gone from our public life.

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MineralMan

(150,605 posts)
24. That has been speculated about quite a bit.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 10:54 AM
Dec 13

It's certainly a possibility.

However, using an AI image to pretend that there is evidence is really, really stupid. We need to stop doing that. Makes us look stupid.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
30. For the record, the video is not mine, the graphic is not mine and I paid no attention to it.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:48 PM
Dec 13

Who is the "we" and "stupid" ones "doing that"? I suppose the whole contingent of the dwellers on the guessing tangent is going to go on and on and I'm not Replying to them. What's irritating is that a general topic that was intended to bolster our desperate hopes for this person to be out of our public life is deflected by a drumbeat of somethng else. I'm sure that when somebody different posts the same thing soon will be balleyhooed.









MineralMan

(150,605 posts)
33. Of course it's not your video.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:11 PM
Dec 13

Instead, it was your choice to post that video here in General Discussion. Did you think it depicted an actual recorded scene of Trump and some medical professional? I don't know the answer to that question. Nor do I care.

My point was to make it clear that it is an AI image or video. There are no photos of Trump being treated by any medical person.

Many people post questionable videos and images here on DU. When I notice that, I sometimes mention it in a reply to an OP that does that. Why? Because we cannot trust images and videos these days. It's too easy to have an AI program create a video or image containing anything you can think up. That often causes confusion.

Clickbait podcasts and fake videos that use words and images that are not truthful help no cause. Instead, they provide yet one more source of inaccurate or downright faked information. Many people accept such things as truthful and share them widely.

I find that to be disturbing, since it spreads more nonsense to more people and makes truthful information questionable. Who are we to trust for information?

So, I comment on such AI crap when I recognize it. If you post it, I will comment, and so will several others who value truth as the only acceptable standard.

Do whatever you want, but do not expect that false information will not be called out. I will call it out and so will many other people here.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
34. You don't "care" yet choose to add to it. I've bitten my tongue over more, actually offensive posts than
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:37 PM
Dec 13

I choose not to enumerate.





MineralMan

(150,605 posts)
35. You Post. I Post. We All Post.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:45 PM
Dec 13

Ain't it wonderful?

Greg_In_SF

(876 posts)
25. Clickbait
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:14 AM
Dec 13

n/t

doc03

(38,820 posts)
26. It wasn' t leaked, it is someones guess. nt
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:33 AM
Dec 13

bucolic_frolic

(53,993 posts)
27. "Must have confirmed amyloid plaque in the brain via imaging or spinal fluid tests. "
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:40 AM
Dec 13

Can't hide much from AI these days.

Hope22

(4,467 posts)
28. I don't care so much which drugs he is getting
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:07 PM
Dec 13

But it eats my soul that he is willing to collapse the healthcare system in the US for everyone else. As long as he gets care….that is all The rest of us will be lucky to get care, private insurance or not and now that he has removed minimum care standards for nursing facilities ugly days are here! Care was marginal before the change.

UTUSN

(76,852 posts)
36. Hope & trust spring eternal, so I thought that an innocuous, community supportive thread
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 01:49 PM
Dec 13

could stand alone without shutting it off, but hopes/trust are dashed again. When the repeated points are interminable no Reply will suffice, so the only way is to shut it off. STENDAL's "Happy Few" are understanding and the rest will never be in the fellowship.

So here is the full OP, and let the Self-Delete proceed:

************* Just another podcast: His "Alzheimer's med leaked" - what is Leqembi? - is TAPPER's beeper working?

*******QUOTE, inside the link: *******

The Alzheimer's drug Leqembi
- Is administrated through an infusion (for example, through the hand)
- Can cause swelling, bleeding, or fluid leakage in the brain, requiring regular MRIs
- Can cause tiredness

Curious

******UNQUOTE****


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