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I heard that there are some very disturbing photos to come (Original Post) malaise Dec 12 OP
We keeo hearing that but seeing nothing. dem4decades Dec 12 #1
Today's tranche is from the Epstein estate Qutzupalotl Dec 13 #56
I read on the BBC there were sex toys . debm55 Dec 12 #2
They accounted for 3 of the 19 photos released so far. Wiz Imp Dec 12 #3
Call me naive, but I don't even know what some of those things are, Ocelot II Dec 12 #5
I think most probably relate to bondage or BDSM Wiz Imp Dec 12 #7
Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but if these things were being used on *children* - Ocelot II Dec 12 #8
Exactly. It's dusgusting to even think about. Wiz Imp Dec 12 #9
jfc, wiz. that is way too specialized to ever find a willing partner. rampartd Dec 12 #12
Sexual humiliation of victims is an obvious part of the Epstein model. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #16
And which of his customers likes to shame the Captain Zero Dec 12 #51
If you don't like shibari, try shibori! NJCher Dec 12 #30
Autocorrect PikaBlue Dec 12 #53
Me either. Maybe to restrain the girls? debm55 Dec 12 #11
Worse than that, I suspect. Ocelot II Dec 12 #14
You are correct Ocelot. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #17
Hell is too good for some bastards. lastlib Dec 12 #18
Some items are restraints, others are devices used on the girls. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #15
How awful for those girls. Simply awful. As a 4-5 year sexually abused weekly by my grandmother . I find this very sad debm55 Dec 12 #23
Yes these devices tell us it was torture of the girls. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #25
Yes, I don't post in the Main Forum . Back to the Lounge. Thank you Irish_Dem. debm55 Dec 12 #28
Just letting you know there will be more pictures coming out which show details of the abuse. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #29
You did difficult good work. electric_blue68 Dec 12 #31
Yes it was difficult. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #32
Yeah, I've heard that can happen... electric_blue68 Dec 12 #49
Many people have much more difficult jobs. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #50
True, but still it's terrible to experience such hideousness even in a "smaller" scale. electric_blue68 Dec 12 #52
I think if the Epstein victims finally get justice it will help all victims. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #27
Most of these are items used on the girls. Irish_Dem Dec 12 #13
Can you imagine if someone had the audacity to ask MEELAWNEEAH about them? (okay that is nasty, but... hlthe2b Dec 12 #19
I'd enjoy watching someone ask President Piggy about the Huuuuge condoms! Ocelot II Dec 12 #20
What's a "Pussy Pump...Size Matters"? sop Dec 12 #24
Are those in Melania's travel kit? cloudbase Dec 12 #6
Worthy to note: the Trump illustration on the condom package Wednesdays Dec 12 #35
Yes. Not a flattering picture. I would suspect Epstein had those Wiz Imp Dec 12 #36
I checked these out, they are real and released today by Democrats KS Toronado Dec 12 #38
I wonder if the condoms inside tavernier Dec 12 #40
Be funny if true KS Toronado Dec 12 #42
Maybe Late Night Tweet Show preps an insanity defense? bucolic_frolic Dec 12 #4
Sex criminals must register before moving in to a neighborhood. Kid Berwyn Dec 12 #10
Hopefully they will have an effect surfered Dec 12 #21
That would be a Christmas miracle. Loryn Dec 12 #26
He'd never do that, he'd demand a Limo! KS Toronado Dec 12 #39
They won't be disturbing. Mr. Evil Dec 12 #22
It will legally be difficult to publicly release the most disturbing images Wiz Imp Dec 12 #34
I've heard the same thing PJMcK Dec 12 #33
Great post malaise Dec 12 #37
House Dems released Epstein photos with Trump Bannon Dershowitz & Clinton today SamuelTheThird Dec 12 #41
Found a more honest condom. KS Toronado Dec 12 #43
Heard on The Beat just a few minutes ago... Wounded Bear Dec 12 #44
Ha malaise Dec 12 #45
1% of 95 thousand photos is still 950 photos. mackdaddy Dec 12 #46
That still would be close to 200 Tribetime Dec 12 #54
Welp... buzzycrumbhunger Dec 12 #55
Virginia Robers Giuffre documented being beaten and abused so bad Maxwell and Epstein took her to a hospital. mackdaddy Dec 12 #47
This evil is not going away malaise Dec 12 #48

Qutzupalotl

(15,662 posts)
56. Today's tranche is from the Epstein estate
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:49 AM
Dec 13

responsive to a subpoena. Next week the ones the DoJ has been holding are due. We'll see what they try to redact, but reports are he's featured prominently. Trump appears to be not handling the suspense well.

Ocelot II

(129,124 posts)
5. Call me naive, but I don't even know what some of those things are,
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 02:38 PM
Dec 12

and maybe I don't want to know.

Wiz Imp

(9,012 posts)
7. I think most probably relate to bondage or BDSM
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 02:51 PM
Dec 12

The one picture includes the book "Douglas Kent's Complete Shibari"

I had no idea what shibari was so I looked it up. From Wikipedia:

Kinbaku (Japanese: 'tight binding'), also called kinbaku-bi ('the beauty of tight binding'), is a Japanese style of bondage or BDSM which involves tying a person up using simple yet visually intricate patterns, usually with several pieces of thin rope (often jute, hemp or linen and generally around 6 mm (0.24 in) in diameter, but sometimes as small as 4 mm (0.16 in), and between 7–8 m (23–26 ft) long). In Japanese this natural-fibre rope is known as asanawa.

Shibari is a Japanese word that broadly means "binding" or "tying" in most contexts, but is used in BDSM to refer to this style of decorative bondage (Kinbaku), a meaning first popularized in the West in the 1990s. Shibari is inspired by the samurai martial art of restraining captives with rope in the fastest amount of time, causing hemp rope to become a Japanese symbol of power. This is similar to how handcuffs are used to symbolize power and restrain partners in a Western BDSM context.

Shibari, or Kinbaku, focuses on the aesthetics and display of the body: a symbolic or artistic (rather than ordinary physical) show of sexual power. As a result, and due to the manipulation of body parts using rope to achieve this, it is common, though not always required, for models or participants to be fully naked and the art form regularly incorporates aspects of BDSM such as erotic humiliation. It may be used for restraint as well as solely being a visual.


I'm pretty sure I don't want to learn any more about it.

Ocelot II

(129,124 posts)
8. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but if these things were being used on *children* -
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 02:52 PM
Dec 12

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
16. Sexual humiliation of victims is an obvious part of the Epstein model.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:12 PM
Dec 12

We know this by some victim reports, and the psych profiles of the Epstein sex ring rapists.

NJCher

(42,501 posts)
30. If you don't like shibari, try shibori!
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 04:37 PM
Dec 12
I'm pretty sure I don't want to learn any more about it.

It's tie-dying fabric to get interesting outcomes, then stitching around the design and stuffing parts of it to make it stand out for the design.



I took a grad school elective in it and it was a hobby I continued for years. One year all my Christmas gifts were shibori, handmade by me.

PikaBlue

(429 posts)
53. Autocorrect
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 09:13 PM
Dec 12

I shudder to imagine how autocorrect might get me unintentionally enrolled in the wrong type of class. The sample you attached is beautiful - both intricate and delicate. No need for anyone to post an example of the other one which is spelled in a very close manner. I confined my knot typing experiences to girl scouting activities. 😋

debm55

(55,860 posts)
23. How awful for those girls. Simply awful. As a 4-5 year sexually abused weekly by my grandmother . I find this very sad
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 04:10 PM
Dec 12

for these girls. I will never get justice. But I want these now women to get it.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
25. Yes these devices tell us it was torture of the girls.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 04:19 PM
Dec 12

The children may have initially thought it was fun and games.
These devices do look like toys at first glance.

But they would have been painful in use.
And torture.

I am sorry about your abuse and trauma Deb.
If these threads are too upsetting, it is OK to skip them.

This is one reason I do not go into detail about what these devices are and how they are used.
I don't want to trigger PTSD in anyone.

(I was a therapist for over 40 years and worked with the police for a couple of years on sexual offender cases.
So I know more than I want to know unfortunately.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
29. Just letting you know there will be more pictures coming out which show details of the abuse.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 04:30 PM
Dec 12

Some of the first pictures were clear to me some of the ways the crimes were committed.
Most people didn't understand what they were looking at...

I think you might want to be careful of the pictures you view.
Of course it is up to you and what feels OK.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
32. Yes it was difficult.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:01 PM
Dec 12

But it was sad to see that quite a few offenders had been abused as children themselves.
Once they could admit that, they had a chance to move forward.

But I did not like hearing some state along the lines that their three year old niece asked for it.

electric_blue68

(25,944 posts)
49. Yeah, I've heard that can happen...
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 08:05 PM
Dec 12

The abused, becomes the abuser.

As for the comment by some...absolutely hideous, heinous!

Sorry you experienced even "just" such toxic verbage.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
50. Many people have much more difficult jobs.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 08:40 PM
Dec 12

I cannot complain at all.

And I had plenty of training to handle it.
But yes on occasion it got to me.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
27. I think if the Epstein victims finally get justice it will help all victims.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 04:21 PM
Dec 12

If they could get justice for the crimes committed against them by the richest, most powerful men in the world,
then there is hope for many victims.

The fact you are open about your abuse and not hiding it is a form of justice.
You will not keep the shameful family secret. They all have to live with it.

Irish_Dem

(79,886 posts)
13. Most of these are items used on the girls.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:10 PM
Dec 12

Including some restraints.

We could go item by item.
But it is quite sad.

hlthe2b

(112,835 posts)
19. Can you imagine if someone had the audacity to ask MEELAWNEEAH about them? (okay that is nasty, but...
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:32 PM
Dec 12

I'm really not a fan of Melania, can you tell? ) After Barron's exposure as a BRO to the Tate brothers, I am just tired of her being treated like some "Sainted Slovenian" or Victim.

Ocelot II

(129,124 posts)
20. I'd enjoy watching someone ask President Piggy about the Huuuuge condoms!
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:47 PM
Dec 12

And maybe also inquire as to why they are "huuuuge" notwithstanding Stormy Daniels' comments suggesting otherwise.

Wednesdays

(21,608 posts)
35. Worthy to note: the Trump illustration on the condom package
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:12 PM
Dec 12

He does not look young at all. Likely those were made within the last 15 years.

Wiz Imp

(9,012 posts)
36. Yes. Not a flattering picture. I would suspect Epstein had those
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:18 PM
Dec 12

made as a joke at Trump's expense after they started feuding.

KS Toronado

(23,060 posts)
38. I checked these out, they are real and released today by Democrats
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:28 PM
Dec 12

Plus this one is an obvious lie according to Stormy Daniels.

tavernier

(14,273 posts)
40. I wonder if the condoms inside
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:39 PM
Dec 12

are the size of a rubber glove pinky, in keeping with Epstein’s alleged joke on djt.

bucolic_frolic

(54,064 posts)
4. Maybe Late Night Tweet Show preps an insanity defense?
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 02:35 PM
Dec 12

Seeing as how he knows what's coming better than anybody

Wiz Imp

(9,012 posts)
34. It will legally be difficult to publicly release the most disturbing images
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:08 PM
Dec 12

(Have to protect the victims and I'm sure some images would be considered pornographic). But I'm confident there are pictures included among the 95,000 which are incriminating to some while still being releaseable.

PJMcK

(24,746 posts)
33. I've heard the same thing
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:07 PM
Dec 12

If there are any Democrats involved, I'm okay with them being exposed along with Trump and the rest of the miscreants. This disgusting tale must be exposed to the sunlight so the world will see the corruption and criminality.

We need some new leaders and I'm encouraged by a few who are emerging from the pack.

SamuelTheThird

(594 posts)
41. House Dems released Epstein photos with Trump Bannon Dershowitz & Clinton today
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 05:40 PM
Dec 12

Make of that what you will

Wounded Bear

(63,856 posts)
44. Heard on The Beat just a few minutes ago...
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 06:16 PM
Dec 12

something to the effect that "less than 1% of the photos include nudity." Which implies that there are some.

mackdaddy

(1,944 posts)
46. 1% of 95 thousand photos is still 950 photos.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 06:44 PM
Dec 12

So maybe a lot going on, especially with all the bondage stuff already shown.

Tribetime

(7,063 posts)
54. That still would be close to 200
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 09:20 PM
Dec 12

And I have a strong suspicion that trump is in plenty of those

mackdaddy

(1,944 posts)
47. Virginia Robers Giuffre documented being beaten and abused so bad Maxwell and Epstein took her to a hospital.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 06:51 PM
Dec 12
https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/virginia-giuffre-allegations-against-israeli-prime-minister-324a55?origin=related
Executive Summary
Virginia Giuffre's posthumously published memoir alleges she was beaten, choked until losing consciousness and raped by an unnamed “well-known prime minister” on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in 2002 when she was 18, and that Epstein later sent her back to the same man; the book does not explicitly name an Israeli prime minister [1] [2] [3]. Prior public legal filings by Giuffre have contained an allegation against former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which he has repeatedly denied; contemporary reporting notes the memoir reiterates a claim about a “prime minister” but does not provide an unambiguous identification in the text excerpts available


This is so extreme, I wonder if some of the victims did not survive and were just 'disappeared'. This is power, money and evil on a different level.
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