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Are you serious? This regime of racists, thugs, drunks, and perverts? Yeah talk to him on his comfort level

JFC.

Remind them that authoritarian regimes never have thriving economies.

If they support that, nothing else will likely get through to them imho

I was not placed on this earth to acknowledge scummy people with no moral compass.

No need to get angry, just walk away.

They don't talk, they lecture.

I'm done being lectured to by morons.

Peace.

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“What might my initial points be about WHY NOT?? I didn't feel that Epstein and being a felon and his racism and misogyny and other hot-button issues would have made for a productive discussion”…

So, questioning - what kind of friend do you have? Not an attack, just curious.

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Is that what he wants for his children or their descendants? Remind him that nobody else in this country wants that either, and it’s not going to happen. This policy is not “for our country” it is for his vanity and enrichment, along with the aspiring trillionaire class.

Ask him why it is that the Oval Office is being foiled in gold while he slurs his way through telling us our little girls need to learn to get by with less.

Most MAGA believed in 2016 that Hillary Clinton ran a pedophilia ring from the basement of a pizza parlor in DC (By the way the restaurant doesn't have a basement) only because of internet lies without one shred of evidence, but dispute 100's of emails between Trump and Epstein, a sick, suggestive birthday card drawning of a naked girl from Trump to Epstein, numerous photos of the two men together and some photos with the underaged victims, they don't believe Trump did anything wrong.

How can a logical person believe that?

Surely you and your acquaintance can agree that crime is bad. And if someone agrees that crime is bad, then it's impossible for them to justify elevating to power a criminal who:

Raised a mob to sack the U.S. Capitol, threaten the lives of our elected representatives and vice president, and mercilessly beat police officers - and then pardoned those vicious criminals as soon as he could.

Was convicted on 34 counts of election-related fraud.

Was caught on tape by an honest Republican secretary of state trying to bully state election officials into falsifying election results.

Was found in court to be liable for rape. (Rape, for God's sake! Forcible rape!) All of which lends much credence to the accusations of sexual assault from dozens of other women.

Stole state secrets and refused to return them.

and then start fact checking that.

If he likes his immigration policies, I'd point out that you could do the same thing by funding more judges instead of sending people to a gulag in El Salvador with no due process or blowing up boats without showing any proof that they are drug dealers. How much money did he waste on Alligator Alcatraz?

If he thinks he's good for the economy, stick to tariffs, the jobs numbers, inflation, etc.

If he likes America first, ask how the war he's ginning up with Venezuela fits in with that or how helping Putin conquer Ukraine serves America's interests. Letting kids in Africa starve and die of AIDS radicalises the next generation against America.

If he thinks he's solving a lot of conflicts and wars, point out that anyone can side with the strong against the weak but that's not creating any kind of lasting peace.

If he thinks he's strong on defence, bring up Signalgate and the stolen documents and all the times he's disrespected veterans and sucked up to foreign dictators.

If he likes that Trump is fighting "wokeness" and "DEI" point out that its not the place of government to tell people what they can and can't say or to protect people from the inevitable social consequences of behaving like an asshole. Trump shouldn't be firing comedians just because he's thin skinned. How would he feel if everyone assumed he only got his job because he was a white man and not because of any of his actual qualifications and then he got laid off for no reason?

abounds. At least 6 bankruptcies, dozens of lawsuits where he was sued for stiffing people, his charity being shut down for fraud, adjudication wherein he was ordered to pay $20M for fraud surrounding Trump University, and LOTS of failed businesses: Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, and USFL to name a few.

There's solid evidence Donnieboy took money under that table from his father, who for example used to just go into his AC casinos and buy 10's of 1000's of $$$ in chips, and walk out with them, never cashing them in, to try to prop up his son's failing business. Which largely failed because he took out massive loans and then wasted the money he was given.

And he is by no means a "self-made" millionaire, his claims about having received only a small amount from his father (single-digit millions are what he's claimed) have been shown to be false by the NYT, in fact, he inherited (some of them through illegal schemes involving his father funneling him cash to avoid estate taxes) a sum in excess of $100M. He had a MASSIVE head start, and in fact, squandered his fortune.

So again, the Federal Government is NOT a business, nor should it be treated as one. It exists to serve the people, NOT produce profits, and there's absolutely nothing in the man's personal history that suggests he gives even the tiniest shit about making life better for his fellow man i.e. public service. And even it were a business, the guy clearly lacks talent at building successful businesses.

He cannot even bring himself to be honest with The People regarding what entities are responsible for paying his tariffs. He constantly talks like his tariffs are being paid by foreign countries, when in fact, it is the IMPORTERS (i.e. mostly Americans) that are paying his tariffs. Just one example of the firehose of lies that emanate from the man.

In fact, he literally has lied to The American People THOUSANDS of times, a fact that's been documented by numerous entities, including the WaPo during his first term. You cannot trust ANYthing that comes out of his mouth. That alone makes him unsuited to be the President of the USA. And yes, many politicians do lie from time to time, but Trump is pathological about it, and lies like his survival depends on, like breathing. He claims he didn't say things where there's literally video of him saying it, just days before.

It is more than clear that Trump's standards of what is right and what is wrong is *entirely* based on his perception of which decision or action benefits himself. Enriches him, makes him more powerful, or increases how much he's 'liked' by a particular swath of the population (i.e. your friend in the OP). He has no concept of what people would call "ethics", rather he clearly views every issue from the standpoint of what is good for him, personally. A qualified POTUS, should, by their nature, be someone who views issues through the lens of "what is best for the greatest number of Americans possible". That's part of the job description. And he will NEVER do that, it's not who he is. In fact, he is hostile to that idea, and seems to find it stupid.

He's also shown himself to be willing to use the power of the Federal Government to PUNISH states that didn't vote for him financially, withholding needed funds out of spite and rage. That is about as UNAMERICAN as it gets, and could in fact lead to a new civil war. Those are the actions of a DICTATOR, that have NO PLACE in a representative Democracy.

Basically nothing about the man, his history nor his nature, suggests he's actually QUALIFIED to be President of the USA. He is, however, uniquely qualified to be the Lord God Emperor King of a corrupt backwater banana republic :banghead"

Then ask him if he supports all the ways TSF is ignoring it, thwarting it, and violating it. Give him specific examples and provide logical scenarios to such violations.

Wait until his face gets eaten and then see if he’s still happy.

I just look at them and ask them if they fell and hit their head on the toilet.

Seriously...why engage? Do you think you will change them?

Their opinions are either rooted in stupidity or evilness, and are being masked as "political opinions".

Are you trying to change something so deeply rooted?

There is a about a 95% chance that you will never be able to change them, despite the occasional feel good story about these people changing.

The only thing that seems to change them is if Trump's policies suddenly and unexpectedly kick THEM in the nuts, rather than kicking someone else in the nuts.

Unemotionally citing facts won’t work because they have alternative facts. Without agreement on the facts, little progress can be made.

Sadly, I can’t offer any advice.

What is it you hope to accomplish?

Turning this "acquaintance" into a Democrat? Into a "friend"? Into a sentient Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

FUHGEDDABOUTIT.

Think about all you know and try to map out what his values are and what is important to him. Then look to find areas where HIS values are in line with us and are damaged by Trump.

For example, is he someone without company provided insurance. If he is either self employed or working for a small business or simply working on a job without that benefit, he may now have increased costs for health insurance. This is a very clear issue that divides the party. If he is old enough to have adult kids, could they be impacted?

Does he value the US as a leader on universities, medical research, basic research etc? Does he understand the potential (if not already in motion) brain drain as we lose some of the brightest minds, some US citizens and some immigrant.

In addition to tariffs which you mentioned, these would be good if you think these are issues he would care about.

The key is to focus on what you know moves him.