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Miles Archer

(21,825 posts)
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 11:57 PM Dec 11

APPARENTLY MAGAt Moses Mikey is a member of the Jeff Sessions "GOOD PEOPLE DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA" club.

Sounds like one more stunt, an attempt to get midterm votes.

Trump is considering an executive order to downgrade the classification of marijuana, reported The Washington Post on Thursday evening.

"Trump discussed the plan with House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) in a Wednesday phone call from the Oval Office, said four of the people, who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly," said the report. "The president is expected to seek to ease access to the drug through an upcoming executive order that directs federal agencies to pursue reclassification, the people said."

Johnson tried to persuade Trump against the idea, according to the report, and no final decision has been made. Even if Trump goes through with it, he can't unilaterally order marijuana rescheduled, but simply order the Justice Department to expedite the existing process for doing so.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-reuters-2674393385/
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APPARENTLY MAGAt Moses Mikey is a member of the Jeff Sessions "GOOD PEOPLE DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA" club. (Original Post) Miles Archer Dec 11 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 12 #1
Welcome to DU! AZJonnie Dec 12 #5
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 12 #2
Mikey strikes me canetoad Dec 12 #3
Mikey is about to be removed Blue Full Moon Dec 12 #4
Herb would be wasted on MAGA Mikey Blue Owl Dec 12 #6
LOL...the Positive Acting Teens. Iggo Dec 12 #7
Trump and Johnson should go fuck themselves sideways.nt jfz9580m Dec 12 #8
Jeff Sessions still loves the Klan. Kid Berwyn Dec 12 #9
It also works the other way jfz9580m Dec 13 #10

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

AZJonnie

(2,839 posts)
5. Welcome to DU!
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 01:04 AM
Dec 12


A few points:
1) It's not the FDA's job to teach the public about tolerance build up.
2) There isn’t a universal law that every drug with tolerance must use that exact word on the pharmacy bottle sticker, but for opioids and similar controlled substances, FDA‑approved labeling and Medication Guides are required to explain the risks that flow from tolerance—dose escalation, dependence, withdrawal, and overdose—in language aimed at both prescribers and patients.
3) If a given person is not capable of deducing that the reason they keep needing to take more and more of a drug to achieve the same effect is due to the phenomenon known as "tolerance", I'm not really sure I'd laud them as someone particularly "capable of thinking for themselves"
4) People who become addicted to meds like opioids, benzos or amphetamines, become (in varying degrees) incapable of "thinking for themselves" in the way that most people would define the term. One's addiction begins directing their actions in a way that people who've never experienced it will never quite understand.

I'd say there's a case to be made for legalizing everything, trying to educate everyone about the dangers of every particular drug/drug class, and letting the chips fall where they may, in the interest of "freedom" and because the War on (some) Drugs has been proven to be an abject failure anyway, just like Prohibition was back in the day. I think it can be argued that the "War On Drugs" is worse than the drugs themselves. I have a bit of a libertarian streak in this particular regard.

But at the same time, the number of people who finally get clean either because of a jail stint or mandated drug treatment (or both), often brought about because of the illegality of "possession" or "pharmacy shopping" or the like, is a pretty sizeable percentage of the total who do. Some people simply have to get locked up to stop, they cannot do it all on their own. That's why there is, and has been, a booming "addiction rehab center" business for many decades in this country.

So it's reasonable to presume that many more people would end up addicted and/or dead if drugs were all uncontrolled vs. not. We saw what happened in the 2000's when Oxycontin flowed like a river, we're still trying to clean up THAT mess, and the shit was still a controlled substance at the time, not just outright legal.

I think if anyone over 21 could walk into a corner store and buy hydrocodone and oxycodone and hydromorphone and oxymorphone and cocaine and meth and valium at an affordable price like they can with alcohol, my guess is we'd have about 10-15% of the US population addicted to opioids within 5 years, and another 10-15% strung out on one of the other classes of drugs, and some would be hooked on both uppers and downers.

Is it worth it for the "freedom", and the massive reduction of violence and crime related to the illicit drug industry that would occur? Like I say, it could be argued the answer is yes. But it would be an argument with two pretty decent "sides" to it, not a slam-dunk

H2O Man

(78,654 posts)
2. Recommended.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 12:03 AM
Dec 12

By simply reading this, I must struggle with the urge to go play the piano like an absolute mad man.

Perhaps it is best that Moses Mike not encounter this type of burning bush. He might have a bad trip.

Kid Berwyn

(23,031 posts)
9. Jeff Sessions still loves the Klan.
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 09:22 AM
Dec 12

“I thought those guys (the Ku Klux Klan) were OK until I learned they smoked pot.”

He’s just being witty in a whitey sort of way.

jfz9580m

(16,585 posts)
10. It also works the other way
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 02:38 AM
Dec 13

I am less enthusiastic about psychedelics/ketamine post Musk.

I am still interested in their benefits, but not to copping out to anything fascistic or exploitative. I support small businesses (e.g.: this Amanita shop I once tried run by this very innocuous bro. My local MJ company is similar - they are these legitimately cool guys. I am always grateful to anyone chill who tolerates a conflict prone feminist who rants about creeps all the time :-/).

Two things I have a horror of by now: “transactionalism” and syncretism. It’s a bleak landscape between the anti-drug nazis/ exploitative jerks (“private prisons are a growth industry!”) and pro drug nazis/exploitative jerks (“VR Reefer Madness tests and games are essential to legalisation as long as it’s this random who is the test subject! We’ll ask for permission later! Or never!”).

That’s hyperbole but for people of such eclectically awful and exploitative tendencies you figure even broad swipes and shots in the dark probably hit a mark more often than not.

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