I'm shocked that so many Dem politicians lack the imagination of understanding what total shits repubs are.

I may understand some Democratic politicians who have lived in a rarefied world for decades, or perhaps their entire lives. Many of their friends, relatives, and business partners are Republicans. They may agree on more things with Mitt Romney or John McCain than they do with AOC, Ro Khanna, or Dennis Kucinich. Now they see their friends, relatives, and business partners forced to take stands and act in ways that seemed unthinkable before.
It isn't that unusual. How many spouses or friends have gradually grown apart, one day realizing that people that they thought that they knew either had changed or were never the people that they thought that they were.
A lot of Republicans have been in denial about exactly what they have gotten into bed with. Probably a lot of Democratic politicians have trouble coming to terms with the fact that their good friends have unwittingly sold their souls.

God forbid anyone suffers a flight delay over Thanksgiving 🙄

Let’s predictably fuck over millions of Americans including me who are losing their health insurance in a couple weeks, and access to health care

I 100% agree with you that this is a terrible thing, that people are going to suffer, etc. Not just people that rely on those subsidies, but everyone who has private insurance... this is gonna have shockwaves across the system. But flight delays were at the bottom of the list of reasons some Dems gave in. The hostages were about to be shot. Period. The notion that Democrats have any real leverage, at least until there is another election, is a laughable myth that is completely out of mathematical reality.

You should stop pretending that this was about flight delays. Thats just dishonest.

Come on, you really don’t remember?!

We had weeks of SNAP and fed workers suffering but it wasn’t until flight delays were imminent that we saw them fold…

… for nothing but the opportunity for a symbolic vote from Thune.

Guessing Dem leadership feels happy tonight! Got that vote (while millions of us get fucked)

being mildly inconvenienced!

They couldn't land at the airports they wanted to land at when they wanted to land!

That can not stand, the wealthy should never be inconvenienced!

Oh, and they got their vote, I'm sure that will be comforting to the people who will no longer have health insurance because the price doubled or tripled.

It won't be comforting , but those 8 senators probably feel good about their vote.

the government shut was not going to end in passing a bill extending the subsidies. I don't think anyone thought the deal to get a vote meant they had a likely path to extending them either.

I think the ONLY hope was that enough pressure from Republican constituents on Republicans would lead them to extending if only for one year.

I think ALL Democrats, no matter how they voted to end the shut down, wanted to extend the subsidies. However that would have required passing something through the House, the Senate and then getting it signed by the President.

All we ended up accomplishing is making it 100 percent clear that the Republicans, who fought to give Elon Musk a tax break are eliminating needed subsidies for the middle and lower middle class and in the process throw the entire healthcare system into chaos. This obviously doesn't help anyone affected, but the Democrats have no power. Assign the blame to those who do

maybe that will shake them up

wasn’t going to force Republicans to extend ACA subsidies?

Maybe it’s through an EO. Maybe with the WH and Congress we can create a public option via reconciliation.

Here’s my point - next time in power we must get something tangible! It’s time to go for the whole thing and create what should’ve happened when the ACA was written.

a public option would be realistically doable.

Larger Democratic majority or a few Republican votes in the senate and it would've happened.

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And believe the natural gerrymandering of the senate will keep them at a minimum of 50 seats. Thus, the democrats will not be able deliver any ACA expansion post 2026. Thus, in affect they will have won and screwed poor people to give rich people a shit ton of money.

"They...don't...CARE." Absolutely correct. They never will care. They will never come around. They will never "FAFO." Young people are fed up with the entire system and we need to fight for them. No more bipartisan shuffle, no more compromise, no more playing it safe. Fight like everything were at stake.

My maga in laws bitch about their health premiums going up in the coming months, and of course how it is the democrats. It never fails.