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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs AI Making us Stupider? A short take on why that might be the wrong question. (Neil Turkewitz in Critical AI)
Critical AI - https://criticalai.org/ - is an interduscipinary journal based at Rutgers. Neil Turkewitz is an arts advocate.
https://criticalai.org/2025/08/04/guest-forum-neil-turkewitzs-is-ai-making-us-stupider-a-short-take-on-why-that-might-be-the-wrong-question/?amp=1
In light of a number of reports about how AI use can make us dumber, including a recent study by MIT, I thought it might be useful to set out a few brief thoughts.
While I may have some ideas about the question of whether using AI may make us stupider, I would start with a somewhat different observation using AI is itself stupid (and to be clear, I am using AI as shorthand for text/image producing generative AI models, not all forms of machine learning). Its stupid because it valorizes the destination while eliding the journey. Its stupid because current AI models are rooted in massive exploitation of our fellow human beings from the cultural workers whose expression is misappropriated to train AI models, to all of us whose personal information is repurposed to create bespoke/unshared realities and to sell us goods and services, to the underpaid moderation workers who toil in intolerable conditions, forced to spend their days sifting through the worst detritus of human expression in a vain attempt to sanitize a commercial product.
And thats before we even get to the issues of environmental destruction through huge consumption of energy and water involved in creating efficiencies of output that manage to drown truth, beauty and poetry in irrelevance, both by design and inadvertently. In short AI, at least in its present incarnation, is a deeply toxic tree, the fruit of which is poison to our minds and dulls our senses, replacing originality with derivative output based on predictability. It is, almost by definition, a stupidity-producing machine.
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Ran across this doing some searching after seeing Neil's tweet this morning about Time magazine, which I'll post in a reply below.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)and the ability to add follow-up queries (in context of the original) without having to start each query from scratch is a blessing. The links and sources are much more relevant and valuable to me whether it has to do with a specific type of computer, or its operating system... or as ordinary as DIY home repair and maintenance.
It's made me smarter and more competent... it has allowed me to LEARN more rather than being stuck with trying repeatedly construct perfect queries that produce limited and poor quality results. In that regard, I think it's great!
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)intellectual property from, because the goal of AI search is to stop the traffic there. Sometimes they provide links, but not always, and the links provided might not be the ones most relevant to the information the AI provides. Perplexity AI, for instance - which is being sued now and should be sued out of existence, as all genAI companies should - would regularly offer near-exact copies of articles from major publications, then a list of links that buried the link to the true source under links to several blogs, etc., that made some reference to the article the content was stolen from, but didn't make the actual source and extent of the theft obvious.
The AI companies' goal is to keep people in AI search, off the source websites, and to place ads in the AI search summary. It's predatory and exploitative.
And the AI answers are often wrong.
QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)I also find great links to a lot of how-to and step-by-step videos on youtube.
Duck.ai is also a very clean and useful interface with easy to read links and results.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)forced to do so, and it's a choice that encourages AI companies' theft of intellectual property and destruction of the internet.
YouTube does have a lot of info that's wrong, but there's much, much more of it now thanks to AI slop videos. I've seen what AI has done to the internet described as both pollution of our information ecosystem and - more succinctly - enshittification. Both descriptions fit.
QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)for example, I truly despise LED christmas light strings. They look awful! I much prefer the warm glow of incandescent C7 and C9 bulbs. But I realize that it would be futile to start a one-man crusade against LED xmas lights. Another genie that's out of the bottle. So I enjoy my own vintage lights at home, and I don't try to lecture or judge or berate my neighbors who enjoy their mini LED's, net lights, and strings of icicle "chalet" lights. They're free to do their thing and I'm free to do mine... and the world keeps on spinning. The sky isn't falling. Life goes on.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)is one of the main reasons people are unhappy with genAI.
The world's intellectual property has been stolen by AI companies, livelihoods have been destroyed, kids are cheating their way through school with AI, all types of fraud are being perpetrated with AI, surveillance has been greatly increased, chatbot users have been pushed into breakdowns and suicide, and power and wealth have increasingly been seized by tech oligarchs who are not fans of democracy but get along just fine with Trump.
And you think that's comparable to your disagreeing with your neighbors about Christmas lights?
Wow...
QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)better get used to it.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)QueerDuck
(1,009 posts)I have found AI to be a very useful tool for saving time and enhancing creativity. And contrary to the idea that it dumbs people down, AI doesn't diminish our intelligence, just as calculators don't lessen our understanding of mathematics.
MontanaMama
(24,610 posts)One of the biggest red flags is our government capitulating to the billionaire AI companies giving them whatever they want while not having even a cursory understanding of what AI will mean for everyday people. Theyre basically giving 6 people (corporations) the power to make decisions for the future of 8 billion people. Not to mention the degradation of the environment which is no small thing. AI will tear our social fabric apart and it will be replaced by nothing good.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)alignment with Trump and RW authoritarian governments and movements elsewhere show how little concern they have for humanity and democracy.
Even when it looked likely that Harris would beat Trump, it was obvious that the AI companies would continue to be a problem if not an outright threat. With Trump in power, it's more obvious than ever just how dangerous those companies and the billionaires behind them are.
progressoid
(52,564 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,414 posts)It's been ongoing and accelerating for quite some time now. The Internet has revolutionized the world in ways that people can't really grasp unless they remember the Before Times, back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth and you had to look at a physical phone book to find numbers.
For those of us who do predate the Internet, watching its growth and evolution has been both fascinating and repulsive. In a time when the sum total of human knowledge is available in a device 99% of us are carrying around in our pockets, how is it possible that people seem dumber and even less informed than ever before? The phones got smart and the people got dumb.
I think we can lay a fair bit of the blame on social media, personally. At first things like Facebook seemed so neat and innocent. You could keep up with your dear old great auntie Gertrude and chat with her any old time you wanted. Social media promised an era of connection and togetherness and delivered something much less benign.
Instead we learned that these free platforms were harvesting our data and selling it to the highest bidder, reducing us to a collection of data points for marketers to comb through. Turns out we were the product all along for these "free" platforms.
Then there's the increasingly obvious detrimental mental health effects of social media. When I was a kid we were safe from the bullies once we got home. Now the bullying continues apace no matter where the target is and kids can indulge their most vicious impulses anonymously, tormenting their targets with no fear of accountability.
Social media enables and promotes narcissistic behavior. Why on earth does anyone think their followers give a damn about the burger they just ordered? Why, for that matter, does some random yutz even have thousands of followers? We've watched idiotic man-children and vapid, airheaded "influencers" build media empires with no actual recognizable skills. But they sure get rewarded with millions of dollars, don't they? Then we wonder why kids want to grow up to be influencers when previous generations wanted to be lawyers and firefighters and astronauts.
Sadly the social media genie is out of the bottle just like the AI genie is. I think we can only hope that AI isn't as corrosive to society as social media turned out to be. Regardless, it's just one more manifestation of the Internet and we're stuck with it now, like it or not.
And now I'm gonna step outside and yell at a passing cloud.
highplainsdem
(59,951 posts)As for the harm done by the internet, especially to kids - there are schools that separate children from smartphones, with good results. Adults can also limit screen time.
Harmful tech isn't inevitable.
It helps the purveyors and advocates of harmful tech if you say it is.
hunter
(40,367 posts)... not the fecundity of the not-so-bright.
Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
milestogo
(22,547 posts)It makes them lazy.
Iggo
(49,646 posts)Middle management mostly, as far as I can tell.