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CousinIT

(12,220 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:09 AM Dec 8

Sadistic Trump Admin Rescinds Min Staffing Rules for Nursing Homes

https://www.medpagetoday.com/geriatrics/generalgeriatrics/118802

This week, the Department of Health and Human Services announced it is rescinding the minimum staffing standards for nursing homes. These standards provided a floor to ensure nursing home residents receive the basic bedside care needed. Rescinding this rule will cause undue stress on nurses already struggling with chronic understaffing and put vulnerable nursing home residents at risk.


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Sadistic Trump Admin Rescinds Min Staffing Rules for Nursing Homes (Original Post) CousinIT Dec 8 OP
RFK Jr.: "Kill them all" dalton99a Dec 8 #1
Trump: deport them all, new & improved now with elders Attilatheblond Dec 8 #22
Hi whathehell Dec 8 #29
If that's the case, what in the hell does homeland security have to do with nursing homes?! slightlv Dec 8 #35
It's HHS E. Normus Dec 8 #37
Isn't kegsbreath the one blowing people out of the water down south? slightlv Dec 8 #45
Lol..No, what I mentioned was the Dept of HHS, whathehell Dec 8 #44
Nah... the person above my initial reply mentioned hegsbreth... slightlv Dec 8 #47
Upon further review... whathehell Dec 9 #73
We can mix and match the phrases IbogaProject Dec 8 #49
Not when you use quote marks whathehell Dec 8 #57
True I didnt consider the quotes IbogaProject Dec 9 #64
You're very welcome.. whathehell Dec 9 #72
I think that markodochartaigh Dec 8 #56
Sure, let them fall and break their hips. It'll Ilsa Dec 8 #2
As if the POS who told America Covid was a 'hoax' B.See Dec 8 #54
I will leave. Maru Kitteh Dec 8 #3
Do many States have their own staffing requirements? Hugin Dec 8 #7
Understand that these changes are requested by nursing home owners, including private equity Prairie Gates Dec 8 #4
ANOTHER economic sector that private equity has DESTROYED, along with... CousinIT Dec 8 #6
+1 leftstreet Dec 8 #12
Many of these Re-hab places popsdenver Dec 8 #42
Yep.this Iris Dec 9 #65
If You Have Someone in a Nursing Home or Other Care Facility, MineralMan Dec 8 #5
Very true. I cared for moonscape Dec 8 #34
I'm basically in the same situation as you, moonscape... slightlv Dec 8 #40
Yep. OldBaldy1701E Dec 9 #67
Because the cruelty is the point, is it not? Hey Joe Dec 8 #8
Profit is the point: cruelty is the necessary condition for it Prairie Gates Dec 8 #10
The Nazi's referred to anyone who couln't contribute to their vision of society as useless eaters. patphil Dec 8 #18
Or "NPCs" in modern parlance. Pinback Dec 8 #23
More disgusting, dangerous, heartless policies from fucking jr. spanone Dec 8 #9
The billionaires are demanding our collective blood for Maru Kitteh Dec 8 #11
DURec leftstreet Dec 8 #13
This is hell! applegrove Dec 8 #14
At the rate they are deporting people they will have to decrease staffing in nursing homes. Biophilic Dec 8 #15
That's the first thing that occurred to me. 70sEraVet Dec 8 #24
It's the damn money, always the money. Biophilic Dec 8 #38
Yes... but to be a bit more specific... slightlv Dec 8 #41
Yes, you're so right. Greed. Biophilic Dec 8 #55
What everyone else said jfz9580m Dec 8 #16
Profit over people Stuckinthebush Dec 8 #17
Cruelty.. Beowulf42 Dec 8 #19
They are going way too fucking far. This entire admin needs to be removed now! Initech Dec 8 #20
GOP wants to kill seniors. It was their death panels all along. bronxiteforever Dec 8 #21
This is just a continuation of GOP policies from the past. llmart Dec 8 #31
They are now getting to what they have wanted all along. Scalded Nun Dec 8 #25
Fractures bucolic_frolic Dec 8 #26
It will also cause deaths. Beck23 Dec 8 #27
This is sickening Wiz Imp Dec 8 #28
Gee, who could see this kind of shit coming? orangecrush Dec 8 #30
Trump only cares about one thing undergrounddemsunite Dec 8 #32
Of course there are conflicts of interest and almost certainly "investment opportunities" involved. hay rick Dec 8 #33
And when MAGA goes to visit Nana who will Figarosmom Dec 8 #36
They will blame Democrats like they are programmed to do. hadEnuf Dec 8 #60
Trump was trained by birth to be a slum landlord, providing the minimum of support and charging the maximum possible. Martin68 Dec 8 #39
Well, this is just yet another reason for Americans to vote every single republicon out of office bluestarone Dec 8 #43
Well, they're not professionals anymore! William Seger Dec 8 #46
There a few words Profit simply doesn't pair well with, Health being one of them Torchlight Dec 8 #48
Nothing good about this, but we made it until Spring 2024 without those rules. Hopefully, we can do something after Silent Type Dec 8 #50
It's his holiday gift to Private Equity C_U_L8R Dec 8 #51
Known as the "Let Granny Lay in Her Shitty Diaper" act. And it's only Monday. Vinca Dec 8 #52
Kill those old people, they are worthless eaters. Irish_Dem Dec 8 #53
Are you fuckin kidding me? yellow dahlia Dec 8 #58
Personnel cost is the largest expense for nursing homes. TomSlick Dec 8 #59
Nursing homes in a number of places are tremendously difficult to get a relative out of. summer_in_TX Dec 9 #61
This is more of the GQP's war on women. love_katz Dec 9 #62
Yet another example of lets kill off the senior citizens so they don't deplete the SS trust fund as we the (Rs) intend usaf-vet Dec 9 #63
States should ensure they have a floor. Hopefully, most already have one ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 9 #66
Those staffing ratios are so hard won and he just throws them away. travelingthrulife Dec 9 #68
I am in a nursing home and understaffing is a real problem already! tblue37 Dec 9 #69
Horror Dear_Prudence Dec 9 #70
Next on their list is childcare staffing rules BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 9 #71

whathehell

(30,341 posts)
29. Hi
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:37 PM
Dec 8

You know that this statement, reputedly was said by Pete Hegseth, not RFK, jr., right?

Don't misunderstand..I think this idea, like that of Junior heading up the HHS in itself, is horrible..I just feel it's important we keep facts straight.

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
35. If that's the case, what in the hell does homeland security have to do with nursing homes?!
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:50 PM
Dec 8

Who are they to make ANY binding rules?

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
45. Isn't kegsbreath the one blowing people out of the water down south?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:36 PM
Dec 8

That's not HHS... that's police enforcement/military enforcement under HLS. Or is this one of the guys tasked with multiple departments thanks to orange aid not being able to find enough low lifes?

whathehell

(30,341 posts)
44. Lol..No, what I mentioned was the Dept of HHS,
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:35 PM
Dec 8

which is the Dept of Health and Human Services.

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
47. Nah... the person above my initial reply mentioned hegsbreth...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:45 PM
Dec 8

who I call kegsbreath by rights of his being an alcoholic. Kegsbreath isn't part of HHS... which *should* be RFK and his irresponsible bunch. But kegsbreaths name was mentioned... and I didn't think he had anything to do with health OR human services, other than throwing people out of the country.

Main point should be we not only have to get trump out of office... we have to completely demolish everything he has done, replace what he's stripped, and start trials on treason for a whole LOT of people. Either that, or find yourself a nice little country to retire to, if you have the money. Or find out what awaits in the next life, if you don't.

whathehell

(30,341 posts)
73. Upon further review...
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 05:08 PM
Dec 9

I realized that you were correct -- I'd sent my response to the wrong poster..My bad.

IbogaProject

(5,608 posts)
49. We can mix and match the phrases
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:35 PM
Dec 8

Like the old children's toy with the overlay outfits on people. Are RFK Jr's actions significantly less "lethal" than Major Keg'sBreath? I'd wager until we are in a active war, RFK's and Cheetolini's disbanding of USaid have both caused more excess death than our Military has as of now.

markodochartaigh

(5,007 posts)
56. I think that
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 07:51 PM
Dec 8

I have it straight. Hagueseth is over the Department of War which is in charge of killing people outside of the US, and RFK is over the HHS which is in charge of killing people inside the US.

Ilsa

(63,813 posts)
2. Sure, let them fall and break their hips. It'll
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:20 AM
Dec 8

hasten their deaths, make Donald happy again.

B.See

(7,751 posts)
54. As if the POS who told America Covid was a 'hoax'
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:01 PM
Dec 8

gives a damn about nursing homes. He can't drop dead soon enough for my druthers.

Maru Kitteh

(31,240 posts)
3. I will leave.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:21 AM
Dec 8

I won’t be a part of killing off the vulnerable and elderly on purpose. Unnecessary deaths already happen. Neglect as a policy will bring the logical outcome of expanding that number into a state-powered atrocity.

Prairie Gates

(7,165 posts)
4. Understand that these changes are requested by nursing home owners, including private equity
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:22 AM
Dec 8

and investors who have taken giant stakes in the nursing home business. Unsatisfied with the massive profits they already draw down from nursing homes, they want to reduce the labor costs (for which they pay mostly minimum wage and slightly above) in order to pull even more profit from these places.

The Trump administration is doing the bidding of the owners and managers, who are those "nice" people you meet who go over the cost structure with you when you move your aging parent or loved one into one of these facilities. Through the smiles, those people are scraping for every last dime, even if it means that your parent is at greater risk of falling, of laying in their own fluids, of eating filthy food, of dying before their time.

Look into the way private equity has taken over the senior care industry. They're coming for every last dime.

CousinIT

(12,220 posts)
6. ANOTHER economic sector that private equity has DESTROYED, along with...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:39 AM
Dec 8

....the hospital system, the education system, the pharmaceutical industry, and the housing system.

NOW they are running our government: IRS, SSA, FAA, etc. Eventually, all of our government will be turned over to them to make private equity billionaires LOTS of profit.

The costs of running government services and agencies Americans rely on will skyrocket due to the new profit motive, and the services Americans pay for and deserve will be ABYSMAL, insecure, fraudulent, and error-prone.

THAT is what's going on right now, mainly behind the scenes. We'll only find out about it when we notice services we rely on are enshittified or gone, and after the Republicans are no longer in power - IF that ever happens.

I think Americans have no idea yet how fucked they genuinely are.

PRIVATIZING the entire government for private, corporate profit has been the Republican wet dream for DECADES. They are making it a reality right now.

popsdenver

(1,527 posts)
42. Many of these Re-hab places
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:07 PM
Dec 8

and nursing places, are merely "warehousing"...........absolute minimum staffing with minimum pay. A little bit better during the working day, but at night and on weekends, they turn into an absolute house of horrors.

At one point in the recent past, here in Colorado, we had a Republican Governor named Owens......and there was a man and his wife that owned hundreds of nursing homes here in Colorado. The State of Colorado had a couple of thousand nursing homes that all needed to be inspected by the state. This man and his wife gave huge campaign donations to Owens. There were a paltry four inspectors for all those nursing homes, and after the donation, Owens reduced the inspectors to just two for the entire state...............

I saw a recent article about how the Private Equity Corporations have suddenly realized a whole new business worthy of invading, that has huge profit centers, just ripe for the picking...........privately owned and operated Hospices

MineralMan

(150,605 posts)
5. If You Have Someone in a Nursing Home or Other Care Facility,
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:30 AM
Dec 8

Visit that person frequently and regularly. That is the best assurance that your loved one will be helped on a regular basis. People working in those facilities notice when you visit. They do not want complaints and reports of poor care. Sadly, it is those who get visits who get the best care available in any facility. Those who have been forgotten by family do not get the best care.

It should not be that way, but it is. Don't assume that someone under care is getting the care they deserve. Go there frequently and see that they are getting care. If not, speak up. Insist on it.

moonscape

(5,635 posts)
34. Very true. I cared for
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:49 PM
Dec 8

my mom with alz until the last 9 months of her life. Makes me terrified of ending up in one since I don’t have a caregiver as I was for her. Exiting altogether is my plan.

Adding: a friend who’s 90 yo is a retired nurse. She stays in shape and does 2-min planks every morning, motivated solely she said to stay out of nursing homes because she has seen too much,

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
40. I'm basically in the same situation as you, moonscape...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:58 PM
Dec 8

scary as hell, isn't it? I cared for my mom for 2 years in our home. But when she couldn't recognize my husband any longer, and had a number of falls which necessitated calling for help to get her off the floor, I knew she'd gone beyond how I could help. Plus, she called EMS to go to the hospital with imagined pains so many times, I got notice she wasn't going to be able to do that much more unless we paid in full for those costs. In addition, she'd gotten violent and belligerent (like trump) in her dementia. It was heartbreaking.

We had a weekend to find a memory care home for her. The one we found was too far for me to visit every day, but we went up often and made sure she was a part of all holidays, birthdays, etc. We were bringing her back home for day visits when we realized she was too far gone, and we needed to bring the parties to her, instead. I lost her a few days before my birthday this year.

I don't have anyone here who can serve as a caregiver for me. I'm taking care of my husband, who at times can be just as big a handful as my mom ever was! LOL. but me? My daughter is a narcissist who knows everyone in the family has said to get out from the guy she's living with before he kills her. She won't have anything to do with any of us since then. The only thing my daughter would do would be whatever was best for her and not caring at all about anything else.

I've pretty much assumed when it comes time I'm free of my hubby needing me, and I can feel myself getting worse, that I'd work hard to save up some of my pain meds and take myself out that way. It's the only way forward I can see...

OldBaldy1701E

(10,145 posts)
67. Yep.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 09:01 AM
Dec 9

There will be no one around to advocate for myself once I get too far gone.

I do not plan to wait that long.

Hey Joe

(403 posts)
8. Because the cruelty is the point, is it not?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:47 AM
Dec 8

Every fucking thing this bunch of ghouls does is to hurt, injure, impede or destroy people and their chances of having any kind of quality of life.
I swear they want most of us dead to Hoover up all of the property and wealth.
Their blood lust is palpable at this point.

patphil

(8,719 posts)
18. The Nazi's referred to anyone who couln't contribute to their vision of society as useless eaters.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:29 AM
Dec 8

It was deliberate dehumanization of large numbers of people, for the purpose of justifying their elimination.

Pinback

(13,500 posts)
23. Or "NPCs" in modern parlance.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:07 PM
Dec 8

“Non-Player Characters” are the equivalent of extras in a movie scene or supernumeraries in an opera or ballet, the characters that are basically just part of the scenery. That’s how many of today’s tech and business moguls see the vast majority of us these days.

Maru Kitteh

(31,240 posts)
11. The billionaires are demanding our collective blood for
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:52 AM
Dec 8

their own profit and entertainment.This is not unrelated to:

1) For profit prisons
2) Privatization of schools and eliminating standards
3) The recent calls from billionaires for things like a return to public executions
4) The proliferation of Curtis Yarvin’s ideals into mainstream politics and policy.

Biophilic

(6,401 posts)
15. At the rate they are deporting people they will have to decrease staffing in nursing homes.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:13 AM
Dec 8

Nursing homes and rehab centers have large populations of immigrants staffing them.

70sEraVet

(5,223 posts)
24. That's the first thing that occurred to me.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:11 PM
Dec 8

Without the immigrants to staff the homes, the owners of the homes would be forced to close them down if they can't meet the minimum requirements. The answer -- get rid of the requirements.
There's ALWAYS a solution to a problem, when you don't care about the little people that are affected.

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
41. Yes... but to be a bit more specific...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:03 PM
Dec 8

it's the GREED... always the damned greed. When I have money, I willingly share it to pay forward the good that has been done for me at times. Of course, my "extra" may be $50-$100 at times. Most of the time, we're flat broke since hubby had his heart attack... too many medical bills and scans with high copays to be done. How do they expect someone on SS to pay $350 for a CTScan or an MRI? Honestly! I guess when it gets around to me, I'll die not knowing what was wrong.

Money is a response to the greed. It doesn't cause the greed... greed is an addiction, of which money is the drug.

jfz9580m

(16,560 posts)
16. What everyone else said
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:19 AM
Dec 8

Class warfare plain and simple..what parasites these oligarchs and their puppets are..

I wonder when Turner Diaries style he wants to take over everything. What happened to annexing Canada etc? Short attention span I guess..

bronxiteforever

(11,079 posts)
21. GOP wants to kill seniors. It was their death panels all along.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:45 AM
Dec 8

The GOP joined with the billionaire class to kill all useless citizens like Nazis doctrine.

llmart

(17,308 posts)
31. This is just a continuation of GOP policies from the past.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:45 PM
Dec 8

Reagan emptied the mental health institutions and they got thrown out into the streets causing a huge surge in our homeless population. Newt Gingrich wanted to channeled Scrooge by wanting to bring back orphanages. Their party has been this cruel for decades.

32. Trump only cares about one thing
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:46 PM
Dec 8

His pocket! Screw everyone else. If it doesn't serve him one way, he gets rid of it. It's pure greed!

hay rick

(9,342 posts)
33. Of course there are conflicts of interest and almost certainly "investment opportunities" involved.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:47 PM
Dec 8

Stephen Feinberg was a founder of Cerberus Capital Management which is a major investor in nursing homes and other healthcare properties. He is now a pro-Russian Deputy Secretary of Defense.

I suspect Feinberg is just the tip of this particular iceberg.

Figarosmom

(9,719 posts)
36. And when MAGA goes to visit Nana who will
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:52 PM
Dec 8

They blame for her diaper being so full of shit and piss it's leaking on the floor as they push her wheelchair to the lounge? Or she falls in the shower and lays there for hours before anyone finds her? Or she wanders away outside and freezes to death or found miles away?

Martin68

(27,028 posts)
39. Trump was trained by birth to be a slum landlord, providing the minimum of support and charging the maximum possible.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 12:55 PM
Dec 8

He always sides with the predatory capitalist against the vulnerable, needy customer. He is a vile human being. Poetic justice would have him end up penniless in the worst assisted living care possible.

bluestarone

(21,131 posts)
43. Well, this is just yet another reason for Americans to vote every single republicon out of office
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:10 PM
Dec 8

THIS should be a huge campaign slogan come 2026!!

William Seger

(12,200 posts)
46. Well, they're not professionals anymore!
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:41 PM
Dec 8

Fucking fuckwads are fucking up every fucking thing they can get their fucking hands on! Who paid, and how much, for this bullshit?!

Torchlight

(6,303 posts)
48. There a few words Profit simply doesn't pair well with, Health being one of them
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:46 PM
Dec 8

Defense, Education, Welfare, Law, etc. being a few others. Once profit becomes the goal, the original goals become subservient and tertiary if not irrelevant.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
50. Nothing good about this, but we made it until Spring 2024 without those rules. Hopefully, we can do something after
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:06 PM
Dec 8

TomSlick

(12,878 posts)
59. Personnel cost is the largest expense for nursing homes.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 08:05 PM
Dec 8

Too many nursing homes staff at the minimum levels allowed by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and will rush to cut the number of employees.

Old people will be left laying in their own urine and feces and will develop bedsores. Medications will not be given on time - if at all. Old people will die.

I suspect that money has changed hands.

summer_in_TX

(4,039 posts)
61. Nursing homes in a number of places are tremendously difficult to get a relative out of.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 12:59 AM
Dec 9

My friend's dad broke his hip in a fall. After the surgery and initial recovery he went to a nursing home in my town. It took a week before a wound care specialist looked at his bedsores that he had arrived with. They told his daughter he had dementia, but couldn't prove he actually had it by referring to any test. (He seemed quite lucid in our visits.)

He kept losing weight, no appetite, had trouble keeping food down.

When he declared he wanted to be moved to another facility, that evening they started him on a new medication that they claimed was to help his loss of appetite. When I read up, it caused passivity and brain fog. Some people's appetite did improve, but mostly not. He did a medical power of attorney naming her, but they refused to honor it.

He developed pneumonia while there. Someone told the daughter, but others denied it. Only when he went to have his sutures out did someone finally document the pneumonia and they finally moved him to a hospital. His daughter made very sure he didn't go back there.

Shockingly I am in agreement with the daughter that they were determined to keep him there for the insurance and medicare payments, against his best interests and against his will and his daughter's.

love_katz

(3,199 posts)
62. This is more of the GQP's war on women.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 04:15 AM
Dec 9

Women are more likely to end up in nursing homes because we usually live longer than men. And women are more likely to be the care givers and staff in a nursing home.
The brutality, the cruelty, and the endless greed are the point.

usaf-vet

(7,753 posts)
63. Yet another example of lets kill off the senior citizens so they don't deplete the SS trust fund as we the (Rs) intend
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:01 AM
Dec 9

to eventually get our greedy hands on those dollars.

We don't need the seniors, WE WANT THEIR money.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,590 posts)
66. States should ensure they have a floor. Hopefully, most already have one ...
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:55 AM
Dec 9

... that's higher than the federal floor.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
68. Those staffing ratios are so hard won and he just throws them away.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 09:18 AM
Dec 9

Just like all those cases prosecutors on which have worked their asses off being thrown out with his pardons.

Dear_Prudence

(1,045 posts)
70. Horror
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 10:13 AM
Dec 9

I was a nurses aid, for a few years, fifty years ago. After that experience, I decided not to go into the field of medicine. Staffing at the home was tight, too tight. I failed residents, I still remember some incidents, but the task was beyond what is humanly possible. Yes, I did hold the hand of a woman moaning in pain because the morphine was not enough to erase the pain of her terminal cancer. But another day I forgot that I had wheeled Tom, a paranoid schizophrenic wheel chair-bound resident, out on the front porch. I was flying around, taking care of too many residents, getting them to dinner, spoon feeding some. When I finally remembered Tom, he was chilled, upset, and late for dinner. It was horrible. But instead of launching into his near-constant, loud, angry, paranoid rant of "You are trying to poison me", Tom forgave me. I'll never forget that moment of grace, his voice, his humanity shining through his disease and through my failure. But it should never have happened and, given how cold Colorado gets after sundown, it could have ended in tragedy. There needs to be Congressional hearings that explain what happens when staff are overwhelmed and patients are neglected. The impacts are staggering.

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