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Swede

(38,384 posts)
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 08:55 PM Dec 7

Bessent said the US will not send troops if Article 5 is invoked by NATO.

The only time Article 5 was invoked was after September 11th attack. Throughout the War in Afghanistan, there had been 3,621 coalition deaths in Afghanistan as part of the coalition operations (Operation Enduring Freedom and ISAF) since the invasion in 2001.

The USA is going to have no allies next time something happens.


"Now Putin has started making incursions into the NATO borders. The one thing I can tell you is the US is not going to get involved with troops or any of that. We will sell the Europeans weapons."




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Bessent said the US will not send troops if Article 5 is invoked by NATO. (Original Post) Swede Dec 7 OP
think of the quandary repukes are in Skittles Dec 7 #1
They couldn't get Hegseth to say something that stupid? Turbineguy Dec 7 #2
I think Europe knows and are prepared without the USA.......... Lovie777 Dec 7 #3
Europe produces weapons at a lower cost than the U.S. Ukraine gets more for their money Turbineguy Dec 7 #15
Unfortunately we can no longer be trusted 😔 MustLoveBeagles Dec 8 #35
Putin is so weak, Europe doesn't need the US to put boots on the ground Fiendish Thingy Dec 7 #4
I hope So! The thought of Cha Dec 7 #23
That means nothing to Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania DFW Dec 8 #25
Putin is emptying prisons to replace troops killed in Ukraine Fiendish Thingy Dec 8 #36
Bessent is a spineless and oily money grabber who bronxiteforever Dec 7 #5
He is a total POS and needs to STFU vapor2 Dec 7 #14
And he has a smarmy vibe - requisite for being part of the regime. yellow dahlia Dec 7 #17
WTF? The word of the United States is now worthless, just like Trump's. surfered Dec 7 #6
Traitor is reneging on the US promise of protection for Ukraine Arazi Dec 7 #7
Who are these people and where did they come from? spanone Dec 7 #8
So the Treasury Sec. makes a comment about Article 5? walkingman Dec 7 #9
It's weird Renew Deal Dec 7 #10
how is it weird Skittles Dec 8 #24
Right?! yellow dahlia Dec 7 #18
Then don't expect help when we're attacked. chowmama Dec 7 #11
Is Russia going broke or what lame54 Dec 7 #12
Never, Trump will bail them out. dem4decades Dec 7 #13
Europeans have been preparing for that duckworth969 Dec 7 #16
Isn't his call. mr715 Dec 7 #19
Why should they care? DFW Dec 8 #27
I don't think Rubio and Hegseth are natural allies mr715 Dec 8 #29
Agree there. DFW Dec 8 #33
From a strictly analytical perspective mr715 Dec 8 #34
To be fair, no one saw this coming orangecrush Dec 7 #20
He's the Secretary of the Treasury. What authority does that pi$$ant have in matters of military? n/t aggiesal Dec 7 #21
Remove this pimple liberalgunwilltravel Dec 7 #22
Is Bessent the Sec. of State or Defense? Jilly_in_VA Dec 8 #26
I guess Putin's window is now Ouroborosnek Dec 8 #28
"Sphincter Boy" CentralMass Dec 8 #30
Cowardly POS C_U_L8R Dec 8 #31
Trump and his gaggle of idiots Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 8 #32
Traitor Kid Berwyn Dec 8 #37
To bad MAGA and their 'chosen one' B.See Dec 8 #38
trump has caved to Putin LetMyPeopleVote Dec 8 #39

Skittles

(169,638 posts)
1. think of the quandary repukes are in
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 08:58 PM
Dec 7

they have to pretend they give a fuck about Europe while pleasing Putin

Turbineguy

(39,851 posts)
15. Europe produces weapons at a lower cost than the U.S. Ukraine gets more for their money
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:37 PM
Dec 7

trump is an idiot.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,070 posts)
4. Putin is so weak, Europe doesn't need the US to put boots on the ground
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:06 PM
Dec 7

Europe just needs the courage and commitment to spend whatever it takes to stop Putin.

Cha

(316,893 posts)
23. I hope So! The thought of
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 11:58 PM
Dec 7

GD Evil Asshole Putin invading Europe and trying to take over the Planet is Sickening and Heartbreaking.

DFW

(59,747 posts)
25. That means nothing to Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:31 PM
Dec 8

They are small countries who basically border just Russia, each other or the Baltic Sea, where Putin has an immense naval base and is brimming with weapons. Their topography can best be described as "flat as a pancake, come roll over us." Putin is not so weak that he couldn't invade and occupy any or all of them within 24-36 hours. He could block our naval forces from Kaliningrad, and keep us out for the few hours he'd need to make the occupation a "done deal, whatcha-gonna-do-about-it?" He'd hope we'd do another Sudetenland, 1938 pivot, and say, ahh, so what, that "faraway land," and write them off. He'd probably leave Poland alone, but take back Bulgaria and Hungary. Romania is the basket case it always was, and we probably couldn't pay him to take them back. Bulgaria is a mess, too, but it is too strategically located to ignore.

But if Putin wants to re-take Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, it would cost him more in PR than it would in men or matériel. I think it's only the resolve of France and Great Britain that is giving him pause. He certainly isn't worried about the USA or Germany. When the Soviet Union fell, and it turned out that much of the German anti-NATO "peace" movement had been organized and financed by the Soviet Union, the only ones who were "surprised" were the members of said movement, and I'd bet that it was only the rank and file who DIDN'T get any Soviet money who were the true believers. He could use a version of his current line on the Ukrainian invasion: protecting the downtrodden Russians who live in great numbers in those countries. Lithuania in particular is ripe for the taking because there is only a narrow 60km wide Lithuanian corridor between the Russian mainland and their Königsberg (Kaliningrad) enclave, which Putin has built up into sort of an immense arsenal with some residential areas.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,070 posts)
36. Putin is emptying prisons to replace troops killed in Ukraine
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:37 PM
Dec 8

There are thousands of NATO troops in the Baltic nations, plus Nordic, German and Polish air power, plus French and British nuclear armed subs.

Putin invading the Baltics would be a forceful test of both NATO and the EU, but even without the US, if the EU has the resolve, they would prevail.

Such an invasion would likely be the last desperate gasp of Putin’s tyranny- not only would he lose that invasion, but he would have to divert forces from the Ukrainian front, making it easier for Ukraine to retake lost territory.

You seem to have a lot of faith in Russia’s military capabilities, but the past four years has shown they are anything but capable.

bronxiteforever

(11,106 posts)
5. Bessent is a spineless and oily money grabber who
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:06 PM
Dec 7

is not fit to serve this country. He is an emasculated blob of inanity.

vapor2

(3,789 posts)
14. He is a total POS and needs to STFU
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:32 PM
Dec 7

BTW has he sold his farm due to conflicts of interest? How and why are these greedy bastards profiting off taxpayers?

Arazi

(8,709 posts)
7. Traitor is reneging on the US promise of protection for Ukraine
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:14 PM
Dec 7

I’m sure NATO countries now fully understand Traitor will renege on our promise to honor our commitment with them too

duckworth969

(1,202 posts)
16. Europeans have been preparing for that
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:40 PM
Dec 7

No surprise there. USA will be leaving NATO soon.

Europe is better off. They don’t need or want an American fascist government hanging around them anyway.

You heard Bessent, selling weapons is all USA will keep doing.

Our sole contribution to the world at-large, selling death and keeping our military industrial complex happy 🙄

mr715

(2,745 posts)
19. Isn't his call.
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 10:06 PM
Dec 7

That'd be Rubio and Hegseth's and they'd be more than happy to start a war

DFW

(59,747 posts)
27. Why should they care?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:37 PM
Dec 8

Just like Rumsfeld and Cheney--they might get rich off it, and only others will die. They have nothing to lose.

mr715

(2,745 posts)
29. I don't think Rubio and Hegseth are natural allies
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:38 PM
Dec 8

There is a little bit of Bormann v. Himmler action going on.

DFW

(59,747 posts)
33. Agree there.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:58 PM
Dec 8

But as long as no one dares openly challenge the failed artist with the gift of gab (applies in both cases), the marriage of convenience will remain solid in public despite the complete lack of affinity between the two.

Even Rubio sees what an oaf Hegseth is. However, the chance that he will ever utter his true opinion on the matter is practically zero.

mr715

(2,745 posts)
34. From a strictly analytical perspective
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:14 PM
Dec 8

the dynamic between Trump, Vance, Rubio, and Hegseth is interesting. On paper Rubio has captured a lot of executive power into the Department of State and, specifically, into him. My understanding is he is on the most friendly terms with Trump in that he doesn't really make news and just toadies around the world.

Hegseth is, like you say, an oaf. Performative without substance, which annoys Rubio and Vance who are less media savvy and more intelligent.

But yeah, I think to understand the way this admin works, best to look at 3rd Reich Germany, with competing party structures vs. government structures vs. police apparatus, etc. etc. All this on top of the power of people that allow access.

To the OP, however, Bessent saying anything about foreign policy isn't his lane. He isn't doing such a smashing job domestically that he can riff on the portfolio of other assholes in government.

aggiesal

(10,543 posts)
21. He's the Secretary of the Treasury. What authority does that pi$$ant have in matters of military? n/t
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 11:40 PM
Dec 7

Jilly_in_VA

(13,823 posts)
26. Is Bessent the Sec. of State or Defense?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:37 PM
Dec 8

Nope. Then he needs to STFU and go far, far away. Preferably into another galaxy, and without a space suit.

Ouroborosnek

(644 posts)
28. I guess Putin's window is now
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:37 PM
Dec 8

about 3 years, I pray he either gives up, or the Europe/Canada/Aus/NZ alliance builds up enough of a deterrent on their own.

Kid Berwyn

(23,014 posts)
37. Traitor
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:44 PM
Dec 8

I'd call him an effing traitor, but some words cause important ideas to get lost in the filters, noise, etc etc etc.

B.See

(7,808 posts)
38. To bad MAGA and their 'chosen one'
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:52 PM
Dec 8

don't realize that an emboldened Putin would have no qualms about kicking THEIR asses too.

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