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Chasstev365

(6,940 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 06:25 AM Dec 6

Legeally Speaking, hasn't the Jan 6th Pipe Bomber already been pardoned?

"A full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021."

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Legeally Speaking, hasn't the Jan 6th Pipe Bomber already been pardoned? (Original Post) Chasstev365 Dec 6 OP
So he didn't really have to pardon all of those people separately Walleye Dec 6 #1
this is sometimes warranted . carter pardoned the "draft dodgers" rampartd Dec 6 #5
Carters draft dodger pardon was not "a complete and uncondtional pardon to all individuals" ToxMarz Dec 6 #9
just the only time i've seen pardons or multiple unnamed people rampartd Dec 6 #15
He will probably walk away unpunished. Emile Dec 6 #2
Which might be ok, if it wasn't him... nt Shipwack Dec 6 #3
I think he has already admitted that he did it. Emile Dec 6 #4
Admitting that he did it AND that he did it in response to the "stolen election," probably gets him off the hook. 3Hotdogs Dec 6 #11
Not if the pipe bombs were placed on Jan. 5. bluedigger Dec 6 #6
Good point but this could be "related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021" ToxMarz Dec 6 #8
The January 6th part is unambiguous. W_HAMILTON Dec 6 #13
Yes, related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. ToxMarz Dec 6 #14
It literally does. W_HAMILTON Dec 6 #16
What it actually literally says is ToxMarz Dec 6 #17
You keep erasing "related to" Anxy Dec 7 #24
Was it intended to blow up on January 6th? Anxy Dec 7 #23
IMHO, "related to events" eliminates any date restriction debsy Dec 6 #7
Yes, this pardon was to cover the politicians Johonny Dec 6 #19
Has his picture ever been published? KS Toronado Dec 6 #10
The pipe bombs were planted on January 5th... W_HAMILTON Dec 6 #12
Were they intended to detonate on January 5 or the 6th?? Anxy Dec 7 #25
There is no way his lawyers wont inquire Johonny Dec 6 #18
I'd be surprised if Trump and the mob want "planting bombs" to count as "related to our peaceful demo ... muriel_volestrangler Dec 6 #20
the language was drafted intentionally broad. harumph Dec 6 #21
I doubt that Presidential Proclamation covered future cases. Make7 Dec 6 #22
Does that mean he pardoned himself, NameAlreadyTaken Dec 7 #26
He is already pardoned, the "related" part covers him. The coup rolls on. Prob get his name on the arch Blues Heron Dec 7 #27
When was he "convicted?" onenote Dec 7 #28

Walleye

(43,618 posts)
1. So he didn't really have to pardon all of those people separately
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 06:33 AM
Dec 6

He just waved his hand like royalty and said “I forgive the right readily“

rampartd

(3,446 posts)
5. this is sometimes warranted . carter pardoned the "draft dodgers"
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 06:49 AM
Dec 6

i expect this guy's lawyers to at least claim that pardon.

i am also very surprised that patel threw this guy out. probably to prove he is "antifa" or an insane liberal but definitely not a proud boy or employed by roger stone.

conspiracy theory"? before they named the guy i thought they might finally be arresting margie Tayler green.

ToxMarz

(2,706 posts)
9. Carters draft dodger pardon was not "a complete and uncondtional pardon to all individuals"
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:24 AM
Dec 6

It was broad and included more people, but it was much more thoughtful (as is anything compared to trump).

rampartd

(3,446 posts)
15. just the only time i've seen pardons or multiple unnamed people
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:34 AM
Dec 6

and yes, narrowly limiting the scope to crimes related to draft evasion seems a better way to handle this than pardoning the proud boys along with the less violent nut cases.

3Hotdogs

(14,937 posts)
11. Admitting that he did it AND that he did it in response to the "stolen election," probably gets him off the hook.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:36 AM
Dec 6

If not, and he gets convicted before Trump dies in office, he could get a pardon. After all, he set the bombs in support of Trump.

ToxMarz

(2,706 posts)
8. Good point but this could be "related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021"
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:13 AM
Dec 6

Depends on how you want interpret his lazy attempt at a pardon.

ToxMarz

(2,706 posts)
14. Yes, related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:33 AM
Dec 6

It doesn't say crimes or offenses that occured on Jan 6, it is offenses related to events that happened then. And the pipe bombs were found in Jan 6, that was an event that happened in Jan 6. The bombs were likely intended to coincide with the Stop the steal protest event of Jan 6.

That he be may covered is a valid argument, I don't think its unambiguous.

W_HAMILTON

(9,983 posts)
16. It literally does.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:04 AM
Dec 6

"Occurred at or near the Capitol" refers to the location of the events and "on January 6, 2021" refers to the time of the events.

The January 6th date is unambiguous and a truly impartial court -- which this MAGA-hijacked Supreme Court most certainly is NOT ‐- would never rule in the pipe bomber's favor here.

ToxMarz

(2,706 posts)
17. What it actually literally says is
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:16 AM
Dec 6

"offenses related to events that "

+

"Occurred at or near the Capitol" refers to the location of the events and "on January 6, 2021" refers to the time of the events.

It literally does not reference a time frame for the commission of the crimes, only the events the crimes are tied to. That wouldbalso include potential conspiracy charges, organizing charges, financial charges, etc. I'm sure in purpose, but at the risk of being too broad.

Anxy

(52 posts)
24. You keep erasing "related to"
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:16 PM
Dec 7

The thing
Is…that the defense is not gonna let the prosecuting chop off the “related to” part.
Besides, when was the bomb supposed to go off?

And… did the pipe bombs not create a diversion that distracted capital police from the break-in on January 6th?

Anxy

(52 posts)
23. Was it intended to blow up on January 6th?
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:12 PM
Dec 7

Secondly, is it not true that the pipe bombs created a diversion that attracted many Capitol Police officers away from the scene of the break-in. If so, then it was related to January 6th.

Also, those who pardoned for seditious conspiracy did not conspire on January 6. The conspiracy started before that. This strengthens the pipe bomber’s case for pardon.

debsy

(738 posts)
7. IMHO, "related to events" eliminates any date restriction
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:11 AM
Dec 6

I’m not a legal expert by any means but I’m leaning toward the OP’s take on this one. It seems to be a blanket pardon to anything and everything related, regardless of when it occurred. The way I read the pardon, anyone involved in the planning, which nobody has been prosecuted for anyway but should have been, would even be covered.

Johonny

(25,226 posts)
19. Yes, this pardon was to cover the politicians
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:37 AM
Dec 6

That absolutely were being investigated for their help.in the days leading up to the breach.

W_HAMILTON

(9,983 posts)
12. The pipe bombs were planted on January 5th...
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:09 AM
Dec 6

...so, no, legally speaking, he clearly would not be covered under the blanket January 6th pardons.

But it's not like the letter of the law matters to this MAGA-hijacked Supreme Court -- they rule based on their political beliefs.

Anxy

(52 posts)
25. Were they intended to detonate on January 5 or the 6th??
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:19 PM
Dec 7

Secondly, did the pipe bombs create a dissertation that led capital police to the DNC/RNC, , keeping them from defending the buildings?

Seems extremely related to January 6th to me.

Johonny

(25,226 posts)
18. There is no way his lawyers wont inquire
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:36 AM
Dec 6

And the vague language of the pardon is going to make it very hard not to think he is pardoned... But we will see.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,437 posts)
20. I'd be surprised if Trump and the mob want "planting bombs" to count as "related to our peaceful demo ...
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:51 AM
Dec 6

... which was in no way a violent mob trying to overthrow the constitutional succession of the US government, no sirree, why, it looked more like a bunch of tourists with an interest in a historical building, and that's why we all deserve pardons".

On the other hand, they may just say "fuck you, planting bombs just shows how pissed off MAGA was, it's another form of freedom of speech, welcome to the blanket pardon, brother". Depends on how flagrant they're feeling.

harumph

(3,070 posts)
21. the language was drafted intentionally broad.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:59 AM
Dec 6

IMO, it (language) could be construed to cover the bomber's actions as the planting the explosive devices was in direct anticipation of the events of Jan 6. The location of the bombs were certainly near the capital. Depends on how the jury interprets "related to." I don't think the language explicitly excludes actions related to outside of the 6th. What about preparatory actions taken by the Jan 6 participants that would otherwise be prosecutable?


On a side note "related to" is a woolly term.

Make7

(8,549 posts)
22. I doubt that Presidential Proclamation covered future cases.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:16 PM
Dec 6
January 20, 2025
···
(b) grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021;

The Attorney General shall administer and effectuate the immediate issuance of certificates of pardon to all individuals described in section (b) above, and shall ensure that all individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, who are currently held in prison are released immediately. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.

I further direct the Attorney General to pursue dismissal with prejudice to the government of all pending indictments against individuals for their conduct related to the events at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.


IANAL, but wouldn't this pertain to the cases already prosecuted and pending at the time it was signed?

Since the pipe bombing suspect wasn't charged before January 20th 2025, I doubt it would be legally applicable in his case.

Blues Heron

(8,191 posts)
27. He is already pardoned, the "related" part covers him. The coup rolls on. Prob get his name on the arch
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:29 PM
Dec 7

onenote

(45,953 posts)
28. When was he "convicted?"
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 09:36 PM
Dec 7

I must have missed that.

No, he hasn't been pardoned. He still has to stand trial. And if he claims to have been pardoned, I predict DOJ opposes that and no judge is going to conclude he's been pardoned.

This is just silly talk.

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