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USS_Dauntless

(147 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:23 PM Friday

GOP voters love to pretend this never happened, to this very day.

They will still tell you that the Democratic party is the party of racists and that the party switch NEVER happened.

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GOP voters love to pretend this never happened, to this very day. (Original Post) USS_Dauntless Friday OP
He deserved his karma, oxymoron? Shellback Squid Friday #1
i love the guys with confederate flag avatars rampartd Friday #2
"It's not hate, it's heritage!" USS_Dauntless Friday #17
I usually tell them your heritage is treason, son., IrishAfricanAmerican Saturday #18
Succinct. I like it! Evolve Dammit Saturday #21
Oof UpInArms Friday #3
Looked up Prime, free to watch right now. txwhitedove Friday #12
Under the category "Evil Genius ", Charlie Kirk was a lightweight. mjvpi Saturday #19
You know the stupid orange piggy will say it one of these days kimbutgar Friday #4
Just following orders, that he really liked. RR was a cow patty. twodogsbarking Friday #5
Sooner or later we all mix together, that's just the way it works. Uncle Joe Friday #6
It's good he repented before he died. Xipe Totec Friday #7
Steve Schmidt despite his current Trump bashing is still an Atwater offspring of sorts isn't he?? NoMoreRepugs Friday #8
Steve Schmidt despite his current Trump bashing is still an Atwater offspring of sorts isn't he?? NoMoreRepugs Friday #9
They love to also ignore the many elected officials who changed parties at that time IronLionZion Friday #10
The parties ideological switch happened closer to the turn of the century. Teddy Roosevelt was the last liberal Repub., Exp Friday #11
Win at all costs. COL Mustard Friday #13
Lee Atwater. Always did speak with a forked tongue. calimary Friday #14
Personally, I've always thought that most Republicans are surface people. chouchou Friday #15
I was 15 in '68, and had already started to follow politics, so I heard.... electric_blue68 Friday #16
Never heard this stuff in detail or that Atwater repented on his death bed blue_jay Saturday #20
Too CRT! czarjak Saturday #23
We were scum for being Liberal according to Schmidt. czarjak Saturday #22
then the shout about "DEI" and women and people of color lose more jobs BlueWaveNeverEnd Saturday #24

rampartd

(3,330 posts)
2. i love the guys with confederate flag avatars
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:46 PM
Friday

insisting that the confederates were democrats so we must be the racists today..

look who is carrying the flags.

UpInArms

(53,854 posts)
3. Oof
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:47 PM
Friday
The Lee Atwater Story: Meet the Man Responsible for Karl Rove and the GOP's Hate-Driven Politics

"Rovian." That's the way many people are describing McCain's current presidential campaign. Although Karl Rove officially holds no place among McCain's staff, it is known that he is still in close contact with the campaign, especially his protégé and McCain adviser Steve Schmidt (whom the New York Times credits with some of the campaign's most headline-grabbing moves, including the infamous Paris Hilton Britney Spears ad). But to describe the manipulation, prejudice, fearmongering and undertone of racism found in McCain's current campaign as "Rovian" is to have a short memory. As director Stefan Forbes reminds us, the GOP playbook that we are all too familiar with today was written more than 20 years ago by an ambitious young man from the South named Lee Atwater.

Forbes' "Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story" is a magnificent documentary that focuses on Atwater, a horrible but fascinating character. From Atwater's quick rise in the College Republicans during the time of Nixon, through his years in the Reagan White House, to the height of his political career as George H.W. Bush's '88 campaign manager and head of the RNC, Forbes shows how negative campaigning, manipulating the media and flat-out lying seemed to come as easy to Lee Atwater as picking his beloved blues guitar.

But "Boogie Man" isn't just about the bloodthirsty win-at-all-costs side of Atwater. Forbes does an incredible job of highlighting the undercurrents of Atwater's life and times that helped shape him as a person as well as a political powerhouse, such as his upbringing in the South with its deep scars and racial tensions, the childhood loss of his brother, the excess and uber-ambitious attitudes of the '80s, and, perhaps most importantly, his charm. Liberal journalist Eric Alterman, despite all of his distaste for Atwater's negative style, describes Lee Atwater as "the most fun man I ever met," and with the amount of film that Forbes has of Atwater singing, playing guitar and generally having a good time, it shows.

But even with all his charisma, it's hard not to watch "Boogie Man" without focusing on the fact that if there hadn't been an Atwater, George H.W. Bush or even Ronald Reagan may never have been elected. Karl Rove would not be the power player he is today, and George W. Bush (who became friends with Atwater during his father's presidential campaign) wouldn't have learned the worst lesson in politics: winning at all costs. This is the lesson that is Atwater's legacy, shown by many of the stories from those interviewed who were left much worse off for being on the wrong side of Atwater's insidious politics (the most interesting of these being Mike Dukakis ... Willie Horton, anyone?).

Forbes tells Atwater's whole story, ending with the sudden illness that led to Atwater's death at the young age of 40, and the supposed remorse that he felt about the undignified way that he had affected politics. Remorseful or not, Atwater had an influence that can be seen in modern politics today, and it looks like many of his tactics are here to stay. Take the time to learn about the man who took dirty politics to a whole new level, and the next time you hear someone describe McCain's current campaign as "Rovian," correct them. It is "Atwateresque."



kimbutgar

(26,585 posts)
4. You know the stupid orange piggy will say it one of these days
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:29 PM
Friday

He’s so demented he has no conscience and restraint. He’ll blurt it out. He came close to saying that about the Somalis.

Uncle Joe

(63,923 posts)
6. Sooner or later we all mix together, that's just the way it works.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:57 PM
Friday

Thanks for the thread USS_Dauntless

Xipe Totec

(44,457 posts)
7. It's good he repented before he died.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:28 PM
Friday

It's nice to make new enemies with the devil as your sorry assed carcass is dragged to the fiery depths.

IronLionZion

(50,604 posts)
10. They love to also ignore the many elected officials who changed parties at that time
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:33 PM
Friday

the most well known was probably Strom Thurmond. There was a very obvious switch from Dixiecrat to Republican and it was over civil rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_party_switchers_in_the_United_States#1960%E2%80%931969

Exp

(723 posts)
11. The parties ideological switch happened closer to the turn of the century. Teddy Roosevelt was the last liberal Repub.,
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:33 PM
Friday

while Coolidge and Hoover were the early conservative Repubs.

FDR was the first liberal Dem.

Some conservative "Dixiecrats" still remained in Congress into the 1960's.

COL Mustard

(7,899 posts)
13. Win at all costs.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:42 PM
Friday

Short term gain, long term costs be damned.

He was successful, all right...so successful he had to repent before he met his maker. I wonder what Jesus' first words to him were?

calimary

(88,705 posts)
14. Lee Atwater. Always did speak with a forked tongue.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:59 PM
Friday

And for all I know, probably smoked a forked cigar, to match.

chouchou

(2,687 posts)
15. Personally, I've always thought that most Republicans are surface people.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:03 PM
Friday

Hard working person, after a hot day...clothes a little smelly = Low-class bum.
Expensive suit with a tie (and a con-person who would sell their own Mother) = "What a fine human being"
Pretty woman/Handsome man = "Either of those would make a wonderful partner!"
Plain woman/man = "Probably never go anywhere in life"

I don't have to talk about White skin or Brown/Black skin. We know their feelings.

electric_blue68

(25,355 posts)
16. I was 15 in '68, and had already started to follow politics, so I heard....
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 09:40 PM
Friday

the term "Nixon's "Southetn Stargegy" ".

I didn't hear about Lee Atwater till decades later - probably re; Willie Horton & Dukakis. I did hear about his supposed "deathbed turnabout".
What a hideous man.

blue_jay

(168 posts)
20. Never heard this stuff in detail or that Atwater repented on his death bed
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:54 PM
Saturday

This stuff should be being taught in our history classes.

czarjak

(13,407 posts)
22. We were scum for being Liberal according to Schmidt.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 04:13 PM
Saturday

MOF, he was going to drag us kicking and screaming to Conservatism. If I remember correctly. And, I do!

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