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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo... is there any reason they couldn't have stopped the boats and siezed the assets?
Why is Pete Hegseth ordering the summary execution of alleged criminals?
Why did the U.S. Military not simply stop the boat or engage them on the water? Couldn't the engine have been disabled just as easily and overwhelming naval power brought to bear to sieze the criminals and throw them in Gitmo... or whatever they do?
Why use lethal force when it's not even remotely necessary?
I am certain, at some point, the soldiers who are being tasked to execute these people without due process might struggle with going along with some of the choices they have made. An unlawful order... and summary execution is unlawful. You are not allow to just kill everyone... even in a time of war. Pete Hegseth has gotten people to commit war crimes for his bravado. They will never be punished for it but someone's son or daughter had to kill those people and they didn't have to... they could have just as easily engaged and captured.
What's amazing is how easily everyone just accepts this as ok. It's on CNN and FOX like it's a game show. You get to watch people get executed who were suspected of trafficking narcotics. No trial. No due process. And the world is just ok with it... bizarre.
Disaffected
(6,080 posts)Unless it's Trump World...
Norrrm
(3,735 posts)We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If evidence of the drugs exists.

Attilatheblond
(8,046 posts)And poor ol Trump has a wife who won't be alone with him, so he has to get his kicks watching HIS military blow people up. Also, Hegseth is an insecure drunk trying to prove he's the boss of the military brass.
Alice Kramden
(2,859 posts)Or repercussions
RockRaven
(18,560 posts)Because they aren't interested in evidence or prosecution, just the killing?
maxsolomon
(38,045 posts)Trump's MO is always domination. He and his toadies aren't smart enough to try another way.
yourout
(8,691 posts)Ping Tung
(4,101 posts)Srkdqltr
(9,232 posts)yardwork
(68,782 posts)The goal is to intimidate Venezuela so Trump and his cronies can loot it, and play to the bloodthirsty MAGATs who like to watch killings.
NavyDem
(565 posts)The US Navy has boarding teams on many smaller ships that do EXACTLY the mission of boarding suspected drug runners. Each "War" in the gulf, my ships had these teams and they conducted daily operations.
Those teams are referred to as Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure Teams or, VBSS teams. There is no world in which these extrajudicial murders were OK, or did not violate international law.
Each of those personnel from Kegsbreath to the Admiral in Charge, to the Members of Seal Team 6 should all be held to account. The question is if anyone has the spine to do it.
mikelewis
(4,527 posts)I sat in a foxhole in Hawaii for 3 years... ensuring no one invaded, right? LOL... so the only danger I was ever in was from heat stroke.
Boarding those vessels... now that shits real. I mean, yes, you are holding a howitzer on them like Dirty Harry but still... Yikes.
And I have no issues with them using lethal force on drug runners... fuck em. That's the price to make a lot of cash... if it weren't dangerous, you wouldn't get that cheddar. I get it. That's the game.
But you don't use the U.S. military to do that... talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight. This is just overkill for sport. You can hear Hegseth in the background cheering... even though there's no audio. These people are going to get us into a real war. The world may not tolerate a bully with this sort of fire power. If we go in a devastate Venezuela for no reason whatsoever... the world may not just sit there and take it. Imagine terrorist attacks all over the U.S.? These idiots are going to get U.S. citizens killed. They gutted the intelligence services so we are blind and now they are giving western terrorist groups something to rally behind. They are unleashing monsters on the children of America... all to hide the secret that the President fucked a kid. Duh! It's not like the supreme court won't make it retroactively legal anyway.
haele
(14,974 posts)Not to mention there's been a software program in place that provides point of intercept facial recognition of people already of the US radar for drug runners, black market smugglers, terrorists, or "enemy intelligence agents" for quite a few years now.
Successful maritime criminal and terrorist activity interdiction has been around for over a decade.
It's a sign of real moral perversion to just start escalating a tenuous situation by just murdering people suspected in wrong doing like it's some sort of action hero movie - or to approve of such actions.
When "evidence" is destroyed, how can you prove it was somehow justifiable to legal idiots, or was just gratuitous murder? That's why the Navy and Coast Guard used to bring back the contraband to be recorded, tested and traced to point of origin, and then used to determine the smuggler's points of contacts in the US.
But now. It's just a bunch of chest thumping, killing random people and destroying any possible evidence that could prove anything.
Wounded Bear
(63,671 posts)than actual boring police style actions of stop and search.
usonian
(22,950 posts)Why a war?
Because the Epstein event horizon is rapidly approaching.
Wag the Dog.
Even if the DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) lock up all they have in an ion trap, evidence will come out condemning TSF's complicity in the greatest sex and extortion scandal in history.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220810679
He is beyond desperate. This is his Ethiopia (If he didn't fail history, he sure didn't learn from it)
So, like the movie, what if he molested a troop of brownie scouts? Make a war.
Trump: We don't want to be the policemen of the world BY BRETT SAMUELS - 04/30/18
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20729427
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385521-trump-we-dont-want-to-be-the-policemen-of-the-world/President Trump on Monday said the U.S. should no longer serve as the policemen of the world.
We more and more are not wanting to be the policemen of the world, Trump said during a joint press conference with Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari.
Were spending tremendous amounts of money for decades policing the world, and that shouldnt be the priority, he said.
Trump ran on the promise that he would extricate the U.S. from foreign wars.
NOW, WAR IS NEEDED TO TRY TO COVER UP HIS UTTER DEPRAVITY.
Which, when exposed will take down his entire empire and entourage, kings, heads of state, (ahem) judges, and others.
No ballroom or Arc De "Trumph" legacy.
Roger Ebert on "Wag the Dog" (mods are mine)
In the movie, a U.S. president is accused of luring an underage Firefly Girl into an anteroom of the Oval Office, and there presenting her with opportunities no Firefly Girl should anticipate from her commander in chief. A
Why drug smugglers?


And why now?

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Silent Type
(12,290 posts)0rganism
(25,444 posts)We're invading for regime change and oil, everything else is distracting shiny trinkets.
Emile
(39,935 posts)and busted the entire group.
Thunderbeast
(3,748 posts)Part 1:
Distract from current embarrassments e.g. Epstein, Cost of Living, Clown Car Cabinet.
Part 2:
Satisfy the sociopathic love of inflicting pain and death on others... especially brown and black people who DJT has a lifelong inherited hatred for.
Part 3:
DJT is so focused on burning fossil fuels, he can't stand having a huge oil reserve so close to our borders that he can't personally exploit for profit. His imperial army will conquer the brown people and steal their petro-gold while making the planet uninhabitable for our grandchildren.
Bayard
(28,210 posts)They're a bloodthirsty pack just looking for any excuse.