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mikelewis

(4,527 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:10 PM Friday

So... is there any reason they couldn't have stopped the boats and siezed the assets?

Why is Pete Hegseth ordering the summary execution of alleged criminals?

Why did the U.S. Military not simply stop the boat or engage them on the water? Couldn't the engine have been disabled just as easily and overwhelming naval power brought to bear to sieze the criminals and throw them in Gitmo... or whatever they do?

Why use lethal force when it's not even remotely necessary?

I am certain, at some point, the soldiers who are being tasked to execute these people without due process might struggle with going along with some of the choices they have made. An unlawful order... and summary execution is unlawful. You are not allow to just kill everyone... even in a time of war. Pete Hegseth has gotten people to commit war crimes for his bravado. They will never be punished for it but someone's son or daughter had to kill those people and they didn't have to... they could have just as easily engaged and captured.

What's amazing is how easily everyone just accepts this as ok. It's on CNN and FOX like it's a game show. You get to watch people get executed who were suspected of trafficking narcotics. No trial. No due process. And the world is just ok with it... bizarre.

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So... is there any reason they couldn't have stopped the boats and siezed the assets? (Original Post) mikelewis Friday OP
Except the world isn't OK with it. Disaffected Friday #1
If evidence of the drugs exists. Norrrm Friday #2
The reason: Letting the Coast Guard continue as they have done for decades is not as fun for blood thirsty MAGAs Attilatheblond Friday #3
Murderous psychopaths don't worry about reasons Alice Kramden Friday #4
Because they want to murder and the action you propose isn't that? RockRaven Friday #5
They're trying to intimidate the smugglers. maxsolomon Friday #6
They needed a bigger Epstein distraction. yourout Friday #7
They didn't want to endanger the war ships of the fragile U.S. Navy by 4 guys in a boat. Ping Tung Friday #8
They are lazy. Picking them up and charging them is way too much work and dosnt go BOOM. Srkdqltr Friday #9
The goal of these terrorist attacks by the U.S. has nothing to do with drugs. yardwork Friday #10
I served in the US Navy from 1990 to 2010 aboard 4 different ships in that time NavyDem Friday #11
From someone who's served to another... thank you for your service. mikelewis Saturday #20
No reason why they couldn't. With more ships in the area. It's actually easier. haele Friday #12
Blowing up boats is better for ratings... Wounded Bear Friday #13
Three Reasons: Epstein, Epstein and Epstein. It's WAG THE DOG! usonian Friday #14
Not supporting any action taken, but drones, etc., don't get troops killed. We should use those if/when legitimate. Silent Type Friday #15
It's not about interdiction, it's about generating "casus belli" 0rganism Friday #16
I think they should have followed them to shore Emile Friday #17
This is a multi-part operation: Thunderbeast Friday #18
No jollies? Bayard Friday #19

Norrrm

(3,735 posts)
2. If evidence of the drugs exists.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:20 PM
Friday

We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If evidence of the drugs exists.

Attilatheblond

(8,046 posts)
3. The reason: Letting the Coast Guard continue as they have done for decades is not as fun for blood thirsty MAGAs
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:23 PM
Friday

And poor ol Trump has a wife who won't be alone with him, so he has to get his kicks watching HIS military blow people up. Also, Hegseth is an insecure drunk trying to prove he's the boss of the military brass.

RockRaven

(18,560 posts)
5. Because they want to murder and the action you propose isn't that?
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:26 PM
Friday

Because they aren't interested in evidence or prosecution, just the killing?

maxsolomon

(38,045 posts)
6. They're trying to intimidate the smugglers.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:27 PM
Friday

Trump's MO is always domination. He and his toadies aren't smart enough to try another way.

yardwork

(68,782 posts)
10. The goal of these terrorist attacks by the U.S. has nothing to do with drugs.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:34 PM
Friday

The goal is to intimidate Venezuela so Trump and his cronies can loot it, and play to the bloodthirsty MAGATs who like to watch killings.

NavyDem

(565 posts)
11. I served in the US Navy from 1990 to 2010 aboard 4 different ships in that time
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:36 PM
Friday

The US Navy has boarding teams on many smaller ships that do EXACTLY the mission of boarding suspected drug runners. Each "War" in the gulf, my ships had these teams and they conducted daily operations.

Those teams are referred to as Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure Teams or, VBSS teams. There is no world in which these extrajudicial murders were OK, or did not violate international law.

Each of those personnel from Kegsbreath to the Admiral in Charge, to the Members of Seal Team 6 should all be held to account. The question is if anyone has the spine to do it.

mikelewis

(4,527 posts)
20. From someone who's served to another... thank you for your service.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:25 AM
Saturday

I sat in a foxhole in Hawaii for 3 years... ensuring no one invaded, right? LOL... so the only danger I was ever in was from heat stroke.

Boarding those vessels... now that shits real. I mean, yes, you are holding a howitzer on them like Dirty Harry but still... Yikes.

And I have no issues with them using lethal force on drug runners... fuck em. That's the price to make a lot of cash... if it weren't dangerous, you wouldn't get that cheddar. I get it. That's the game.

But you don't use the U.S. military to do that... talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight. This is just overkill for sport. You can hear Hegseth in the background cheering... even though there's no audio. These people are going to get us into a real war. The world may not tolerate a bully with this sort of fire power. If we go in a devastate Venezuela for no reason whatsoever... the world may not just sit there and take it. Imagine terrorist attacks all over the U.S.? These idiots are going to get U.S. citizens killed. They gutted the intelligence services so we are blind and now they are giving western terrorist groups something to rally behind. They are unleashing monsters on the children of America... all to hide the secret that the President fucked a kid. Duh! It's not like the supreme court won't make it retroactively legal anyway.

haele

(14,974 posts)
12. No reason why they couldn't. With more ships in the area. It's actually easier.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:39 PM
Friday

Not to mention there's been a software program in place that provides point of intercept facial recognition of people already of the US radar for drug runners, black market smugglers, terrorists, or "enemy intelligence agents" for quite a few years now.
Successful maritime criminal and terrorist activity interdiction has been around for over a decade.

It's a sign of real moral perversion to just start escalating a tenuous situation by just murdering people suspected in wrong doing like it's some sort of action hero movie - or to approve of such actions.

When "evidence" is destroyed, how can you prove it was somehow justifiable to legal idiots, or was just gratuitous murder? That's why the Navy and Coast Guard used to bring back the contraband to be recorded, tested and traced to point of origin, and then used to determine the smuggler's points of contacts in the US.

But now. It's just a bunch of chest thumping, killing random people and destroying any possible evidence that could prove anything.

Wounded Bear

(63,671 posts)
13. Blowing up boats is better for ratings...
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:46 PM
Friday

than actual boring police style actions of stop and search.

usonian

(22,950 posts)
14. Three Reasons: Epstein, Epstein and Epstein. It's WAG THE DOG!
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:05 PM
Friday

Why a war?

Because the Epstein event horizon is rapidly approaching.
Wag the Dog.


Even if the DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) lock up all they have in an ion trap, evidence will come out condemning TSF's complicity in the greatest sex and extortion scandal in history.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220810679

He is beyond desperate. This is his Ethiopia (If he didn't fail history, he sure didn't learn from it)

So, like the movie, what if he molested a troop of brownie scouts? Make a war.

Trump: We don't want to be the policemen of the world BY BRETT SAMUELS - 04/30/18

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20729427

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385521-trump-we-dont-want-to-be-the-policemen-of-the-world/

President Trump on Monday said the U.S. should no longer serve as the “policemen of the world.”

“We more and more are not wanting to be the policemen of the world,” Trump said during a joint press conference with Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari.

“We’re spending tremendous amounts of money for decades policing the world, and that shouldn’t be the priority,” he said.


Trump ran on the promise that he would extricate the U.S. from foreign wars.

NOW, WAR IS NEEDED TO TRY TO COVER UP HIS UTTER DEPRAVITY.

Which, when exposed will take down his entire empire and entourage, kings, heads of state, (ahem) judges, and others.

No ballroom or Arc De "Trumph" legacy.

Roger Ebert on "Wag the Dog" (mods are mine)

In the movie, a U.S. president is accused of luring an underage “Firefly Girl” into an anteroom of the Oval Office, and there presenting her with opportunities no Firefly Girl should anticipate from her commander in chief. A presidential election Deluge of Epstein Dirt is weeks away,

Why drug smugglers?





And why now?



Others here think alike:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/127012987

Silent Type

(12,290 posts)
15. Not supporting any action taken, but drones, etc., don't get troops killed. We should use those if/when legitimate.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:10 PM
Friday

0rganism

(25,444 posts)
16. It's not about interdiction, it's about generating "casus belli"
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:23 PM
Friday

We're invading for regime change and oil, everything else is distracting shiny trinkets.

Thunderbeast

(3,748 posts)
18. This is a multi-part operation:
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:38 PM
Friday

Part 1:

Distract from current embarrassments e.g. Epstein, Cost of Living, Clown Car Cabinet.

Part 2:

Satisfy the sociopathic love of inflicting pain and death on others... especially brown and black people who DJT has a lifelong inherited hatred for.

Part 3:

DJT is so focused on burning fossil fuels, he can't stand having a huge oil reserve so close to our borders that he can't personally exploit for profit. His imperial army will conquer the brown people and steal their petro-gold while making the planet uninhabitable for our grandchildren.

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