Not sure that thread went the way the OP intended and beyond that, the hard data says things he’s said in the past reflect the views of most Dem voters. That was all covered in the podcast uproar in March.

It's the same "more culturally normal" group from the other thread. Jeez.

Link to tweet

I'm not opposed to the "wealth tax" idea myself. But you worded that very deceptively.

think he should? Maybe he knows more about what he's doing than you. Definitely he's a step ahead of our political opponents ...you gotta give him that much. He's completely surprised the party recently with his quick legal solution to the felons' demand for more disenfranchising gerrymanders; so maybe consider that he can make political moves with the future in mind.

Sounds like he's been a great Governor for CA. I think he also has excellent future prospects as a Senator, Cabinet Appointee, etc

...where higher earnings are taxed at higher rates. That is our most common form of "taxing the wealthy". Newsom is not against that.

The "Wealth Tax" policy idea is different. That is saying "we are going to annually tax people based on their net worth, over and over and over". So if I have a billion and a half dollars in savings, they would tax that a certain percentage, then that might bring that savings down it 1.3 billion or something but then next year, those same left over dollars get taxed again. He seems to be opposed to retaxing something that was already taxed.

I'm not saying I am personally against the Wealth Tax policy either. I'm actually fine with it (though its likely never getting passed anytime soon).

But in this big tent party, people are allowed to have nuance and not support every single progressive idea, as long as they agree with the overall concepts, I can tolerate that. We have to tolerate it if we are ever going to hold a coalition together that is large enough to outvote the roughly half of the country that generally opposes everything the left, center-left and even so called moderates, stand for.

The optics here are ridiculous

People are paying half their incomes for rent, facing skyrocketing insurance premiums, holding $200 utility bills in their hands, wondering if they'll be part of escalating layoffs....and Newsom is balking about taxing rich people, and leaving it for others to parse his meaning.

It's the most tone deaf thing imaginable. And proof that while Newsom may be great at many things, he's past the expiration date for 90s centrists politicians. Way past

"TAX THE FUCKING RICH NOW!" their fare share.

As Jesse Jackson once said about taxes on the rich in 1988, paraphrased,

'they have been having a party. now they have to pay for the party'

Now I'm not saying we should hit alert because I completely agree with the post. But seriously doesn't it violate our rules in multiple ways? Am I hallucinating?

Is there anyway to change the current DU rules so that it doesn't violate them because I think more like this post is needed?

Are our rules set in stone as if passed down by some deity?

Looking for answers.

What happened back then?

Some folks with brilliant minds. I miss Octafish. Don't know who he was, but he could lay out some referenced material as fast as McDonalds could spread fries.
You can still detect it if you mention public figures that were not onboard or who noted the downsides of the campaign. Michael Moore mentions will often be met with derision. Bernie Sanders mentions used to be dangerous.

Any sentence not in absolute favor of HRC was getting people banned.
One can still support Dems and the party in general while still not being happy with every single thing done by the party or by every single dem personality. Why we're not allowed to say anything negative about a dem is horrible to me. For instance the 8 dem senators who caved recently. Are we not allowed to say negative things about them?

What's wrong with that? I've had posts removed for that recently and have been threatened with being banned.

It's nuts and frankly in and of itself the opposite of what the dem party stands for.

upset that a Bernie backed candidate might win a nomination, so they dug up some acceptable (to them) puppet to run against. And then in public wail and cry that they don't understand why younger folks are sold hook, line, and sinker on committing to voting D for life. Chris Hedges says this is what fuels fascism and autocracy, when the liberals abandon the working class.

C'est moi.

I left DU after the primary battle, but was not forced to leave. I posted at Jackpine Radicals (named after a late, great liberal, progressive and brave DUer), but never in a disrespectful or condescending way toward Hillary Clinton, the team at DU, or anyone else -- with the exception of certain, censoring types who didn't care for criticism of Herr Trump, friend of Putin and the Mob. Once they took over JR, I quit posting alltogether for a couple of years. When Putin's puppy started climbing in the polls, I came back to DU to give him the what's for, but was unable to reincarnate my old account. So I chose this handle -- named after a time-wasting camera store shopper-never-buyer from a Chicago suburb.

Thank you, LT Barclay! You made my day.

There are only a few here that I actually what to know when they post and you are one!

Reading you care means the world to me. Dr. Samuel Johnson said, “Only a fool writes for anything but money.” And he’s correct — except when it comes to defending the Constitution of the United States of America.

That Kid Berwyn is Octafish's Bruce Wayne.

also, any positive mention of Bernie Sanders is likely to start
some kind of gangland war....

I vocally supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 General Election,
and was heartbroken when she lost---

but any mention that I did not support her in the primary,
and much less stating any reasons WHY not,
is "triggering" to some people....

It worked out fine. Bernie and AOC were staunch supporters of President Biden and campaigned hard for Harris and Walz.

Eyes on the prize.

even though I might have agreed more with Bernie Sanders
on a lot of specific issues----

but after he was elected, Joe Biden paid a good deal of attention
to Bernie Sanders on many issues--- I was not disappointed in Joe....

The most important thing in 2020 was to kick Trump's smelly ass OUT
of the White House--- and we certainly did THAT !


(And President 'Fighting Joe' Biden then became
the most progressive Democratic President
in modern history!)

2024, not so happy, but I was all in for Harris and Walz.

Agree about Joe. Bidenomics was revolutionary and a spectacular success.

But people had to have their racism and lies. "Cuz they felt so good"

No further comment.

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There is a hell of a difference between criticizing a Democratic elected for something I personally consider a failing or advocating that others lobby their Democratic electeds to take some action they have resisted, and declaring oneself against, and intending to vote against, a Democratic nominee.

But why should the poster be interpreted as endorsing egbertowillies' content (which is covered by free speech) which has been popular on this site, and in days past, often posted. Sure, he's mistaken in his interpreting what Newsom is actually saying; he misheard Newsom, who himself is inclusive of the AOC, Mamdani, Sanders wing in preference to older neolibaral wing. Doesn't mean they can't coexist, but one wing will have to continue to learn how much party voters have changed.

The rules are (sometimes) flexible.

Senator Schumer used to be protected by DU guards until he caved.

Israel and Palestine are banned to this day ftom GD. Right ...

I step semi-cautiously. Had only a few posts pulled. But I speak my peace.

Not making any general statements because things change a lot.

I favor progressives. I want fighters, and when a troll gives me crap, I hit the well-worn ignore button.

I was royally pissed at the treatment of Joe, because the chat was behind his back, and not, AFAICT, an earnest face to face discussion. I do believe in honor in dealing with honorable people. Say it face to face or STFU. BTB stuff is garbage, IMO.

Most here are honorable and sincere, but there be trolls, too.

but I agree about problems with the site rules now---

because there are rules you can alert on here
which will fit almost any situation
when you disagree with something
which someone has said.....

Which is actually a hell of a good skill to have in this day and age.

And he's not afraid of getting bullied by Putin's puppet and bullshitter in chief. In fact, Newsom dishes it right back.

PS: Whoever is the nominee, he or she better have a plan in place to raise taxes on the wealthy. Otherwise, the problem will remain: the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, as the middle class evaporates into the latter.

the fight-back was Barack Obama!


(and the worst was Michael Dukakis, but he was a good man....!)

I try to read all his blog posts, but I am inundated with unfinished chores.