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Chasstev365

(6,880 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:28 AM Friday

I would boil the Boat Strikes down to this one point:

Since when is it OK to execute "Suspects?"

We have not seen any proof that any of these boats were smuggling drugs.

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I would boil the Boat Strikes down to this one point: (Original Post) Chasstev365 Friday OP
I have heard "experts" on TV claim gab13by13 Friday #1
even if they were smuggling drugs lapfog_1 Friday #2
Don jr snorts cocaine in public. Irish_Dem Friday #3
It's not wrong when rich people do it PatSeg Friday #14
Damn, I keep forgetting that fact. Irish_Dem Friday #30
Some things never change it seems PatSeg Friday #32
He's clearly snorting SOMETHING. B.See Friday #41
I saw a clip of him reach into his pocket and then rub his gums with something. Irish_Dem Yesterday #50
Due process apparently is a Democratic myth, too. marble falls Friday #4
Terrorists are not entitled to due process. Groundhawg Friday #7
No one is a terrorist until due process had been made. Until then he is a suspected terrorist, I personally love ... marble falls Friday #9
terrorists have never received due process. Groundhawg Yesterday #49
So the US routinely identifies random citizens as terrorists and murders them in cold blood. Irish_Dem Yesterday #51
They most certainly have if it happens on US soil. Why do you hate the Constitution? marble falls Yesterday #54
So, anybody can accuse anybody of being a 'terrorist' and kill them? Attilatheblond Friday #18
Illogical Cirsium Friday #34
Never -- but the strikes are about provoking response and building a narrative GreatGazoo Friday #5
"Remember the Mane! 🐴" - PH rubbersole Friday #19
Exactly -- the goal is REGIME CHANGE Martin Eden Friday #23
Yes and the timing is tied to the end of the Ukraine war which is dropping oil prices GreatGazoo Friday #33
Because trmp wants them dead and republicans don't care. spanone Friday #6
Why not follow the boats to where they are unloading, and bust them all? Emile Friday #8
That... 2naSalit Friday #11
Or, have the USCG intercept, take crews into custody, find out who hired them if they actually find drugs on board. Attilatheblond Friday #20
I suspect the latter is an attraction, particularly for Hegseth. n/t NH Ethylene Friday #42
They know damn well they won't find any drugs, soldierant Friday #46
Why not follow the law? Trueblue Texan Friday #44
Could Trump be sending a message to the cartels, that you must pay him to smuggle drugs? Emile Yesterday #53
"Since when is it OK to execute 'Suspects?'" Ray Bruns Friday #10
The fact that they died is proof enough, surely? Aussie105 Friday #36
I think Kraznov is a Witch!!!! BurnDoubt Friday #47
Even if proven as drug smugglers, it is not a death sentence Bev54 Friday #12
We are not allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner. CanonRay Friday #13
I would boil the boat strikes down to three things: Epstein, Epstein and Epstein. It's WAG THE DOG! usonian Friday #15
Trump the snake oil salesman wants to invade Venezuela for oil. sop Friday #16
If this is an attempt at regime change, someone needs to let Trump know Aussie105 Friday #37
Still believe this started as an Epstein distraction KS Toronado Friday #17
It's almost like the "WMD" debacle ... 'Memba that? FakeNoose Friday #21
We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If Norrrm Friday #22
It's murder, pure and simple. Everyone killed on those boats was mudered whether or not they were carrying drugs, and Fil1957 Friday #24
They weren't white. That's when it is ok to execute them. twodogsbarking Friday #25
You won't see any proof because it's at the bottom of the ocean. See - very convenient. flashman13 Friday #26
Even if we did have proof they are smuggling drugs killing them is wrong Ohioboy Friday #27
The actual goal is likely to both test the limits of justice and get us used to extrajudicial killings. Ol Janx Spirit Friday #28
You know this snuff film was added to the MAGA spank file. Efilroft Sul Friday #29
All smuggling must be through approved channels. taxi Friday #31
Is carrying drugs in international waters a grime? Tesha Friday #35
A crime? Summary execution? Aussie105 Friday #38
You really have to wonder where all this is meant to take us. Aussie105 Friday #39
It's murder, pure and simple. Everyone killed on those boats were murdered whether or not they were carrying drugs, and Fil1957 Friday #40
Far as I'm concerned they B.See Friday #43
This whole sordid thing USA Total DISGRACE!!! calimary Friday #45
Ummm Sorry Smackdown2019 Friday #48
It's all about LilElf70 Yesterday #52
I would boil the Boat Strikes down to this one point usonian Yesterday #55

lapfog_1

(31,520 posts)
2. even if they were smuggling drugs
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:35 AM
Friday

and we had the iron clad proof... since when was drug smuggling a capital crime?

Can someone point to the law that says "if convicted by a jury the judge can impose the death penalty..."

BTW, this isn't about drugs... since Trump has been President he has pardoned TWO convicted massive drug smugglers ( actual cartel like kingpins of the drug world ).


Irish_Dem

(78,673 posts)
30. Damn, I keep forgetting that fact.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 11:31 AM
Friday

Thanks, I need the reminder.
Rule of law only for us, the great unwashed.

B.See

(7,513 posts)
41. He's clearly snorting SOMETHING.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:04 PM
Friday

Just saw clips of him on (don't remember whose) late nite talk show. Fkr looks like he's MELTING.

Leave that blow alone, DOOFUS!

Irish_Dem

(78,673 posts)
50. I saw a clip of him reach into his pocket and then rub his gums with something.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 04:28 AM
Yesterday

He was obviously high and he doesn't give a damn what people think.

Yes the Trumps all look so weird.
Sometimes I wonder if they are actually humanoid.

marble falls

(70,068 posts)
9. No one is a terrorist until due process had been made. Until then he is a suspected terrorist, I personally love ...
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 09:19 AM
Friday

... the Constitution and it's guaranties, something that SCOTUS has ruled many times applies even to non-Americans caught up in our justice system.

Irish_Dem

(78,673 posts)
51. So the US routinely identifies random citizens as terrorists and murders them in cold blood.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 04:34 AM
Yesterday

And can provide no proof whatsoever.

Cirsium

(3,257 posts)
34. Illogical
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:07 PM
Friday

Terrorism is extrajudicial violence. The victims of terrorism are denied due process. Calling for people to be denied due process is a call for extrajudicial violence, ergo it is a call for terrorism.

GreatGazoo

(4,361 posts)
5. Never -- but the strikes are about provoking response and building a narrative
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:54 AM
Friday

That leads to regime change. "Drugs" are just the MacGuffin. This is Gulf of Tonkin stuff.

Martin Eden

(15,248 posts)
23. Exactly -- the goal is REGIME CHANGE
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:36 AM
Friday

Venezuela sits atop massive oil reserves.

These boat strikes are manufacturing an armed conflict this administration intends to escalate.

The Fascist Grifter has already announced that land strikes will be next and Venezuelan air space is "closed."

GreatGazoo

(4,361 posts)
33. Yes and the timing is tied to the end of the Ukraine war which is dropping oil prices
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 01:10 PM
Friday

as Russian supply comes back.

Venezuelan oil will be taken off the market to keep prices up.

Attilatheblond

(7,997 posts)
20. Or, have the USCG intercept, take crews into custody, find out who hired them if they actually find drugs on board.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:10 AM
Friday

Blowing boats and humans to pieces does not net any suspects higher up in the smuggling rings. Perhaps that is part of the point, Trump/Hegseth might be protecting the top level drug kingpins.

Or, it just might be an expression of Trump/maga blood-lust. Snuff porn writ large on the high seas?

soldierant

(9,212 posts)
46. They know damn well they won't find any drugs,
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 09:55 PM
Friday

because the people in those boats are not taking drugs to the US. Boats that size will not hold enough fuel to get them from Venezuela to the US. It's over 1000 miles.

Not to mention that Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela. It comes from Mexico.

So much is wrong with their claim that the premise is just impossible. My guess is that the boats are fishing boats. There's actually some evidence for that. The family of one of the casualties has initiated a wrongful death suit and state that the dude was fishing, as he often did, for marlin and/or tuna.

Emile

(39,807 posts)
53. Could Trump be sending a message to the cartels, that you must pay him to smuggle drugs?
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 05:16 AM
Yesterday

Nothing is beneath his character. Trump acts like a NY Mafia Godfather.

Aussie105

(7,493 posts)
36. The fact that they died is proof enough, surely?
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:03 PM
Friday

People who are innocent don't die, right?

/sarcasm

Witch trials - the dunking chair to prove someone is a witch or not.
Either way, the accused loses.


usonian

(22,896 posts)
15. I would boil the boat strikes down to three things: Epstein, Epstein and Epstein. It's WAG THE DOG!
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 09:55 AM
Friday

Why a war?

Because the Epstein event horizon is rapidly approaching.
Wag the Dog.


Even if the DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) lock up all they have in an ion trap, evidence will come out condemning TSF's complicity in the greatest sex and extortion scandal in history.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220810679

He is beyond desperate. This is his Ethiopia (If he didn't fail history, he sure didn't learn from it)

So, like the movie, what if he molested a troop of brownie scouts? Make a war.

Trump: We don't want to be the policemen of the world BY BRETT SAMUELS - 04/30/18

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20729427

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385521-trump-we-dont-want-to-be-the-policemen-of-the-world/

President Trump on Monday said the U.S. should no longer serve as the “policemen of the world.”

“We more and more are not wanting to be the policemen of the world,” Trump said during a joint press conference with Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari.

“We’re spending tremendous amounts of money for decades policing the world, and that shouldn’t be the priority,” he said.


Trump ran on the promise that he would extricate the U.S. from foreign wars.

NOW, WAR IS NEEDED TO TRY TO COVER UP HIS UTTER DEPRAVITY.

Which, when exposed will take down his entire empire and entourage, kings, heads of state, (ahem) judges, and others.

No ballroom or Arc De "Trumph" legacy.

Roger Ebert on "Wag the Dog" (mods are mine)

In the movie, a U.S. president is accused of luring an underage “Firefly Girl” into an anteroom of the Oval Office, and there presenting her with opportunities no Firefly Girl should anticipate from her commander in chief. A presidential election Deluge of Epstein Dirt is weeks away,

Why drug smugglers?





And why now?



Others here think alike:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/127012987

Aussie105

(7,493 posts)
37. If this is an attempt at regime change, someone needs to let Trump know
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:09 PM
Friday

how previous regime change efforts in other countries worked out.

KS Toronado

(22,521 posts)
17. Still believe this started as an Epstein distraction
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:02 AM
Friday

in the sick mind of Donvict, IQ4.7, Der orange Fuhrer, DiaperDon, Pedonald, Tariffman

Not sure what to call him anymore but his murdering ways deserves a new nickname "Kill 'em All Man"?
Any suggestions anybody?

FakeNoose

(39,769 posts)
21. It's almost like the "WMD" debacle ... 'Memba that?
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:11 AM
Friday

Weapons of Mass Destruction ... the famous lie that "justified" our country's invasion of Iraq and capturing Saddam Hussein. Not as much death this time, but the lack of concern from the media is pretty much the same.

Norrrm

(3,688 posts)
22. We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:16 AM
Friday

We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If evidence of the drugs exists.

Fil1957

(455 posts)
24. It's murder, pure and simple. Everyone killed on those boats was mudered whether or not they were carrying drugs, and
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:40 AM
Friday

I'll bet most of them weren't.

They were killed to desensitize and normalize the idea of our government randomly killing anyone they want at any time.

The long range goal is to do this to anyone in the United States who protests, disagrees with them, or they just don't like.

twodogsbarking

(17,204 posts)
25. They weren't white. That's when it is ok to execute them.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:44 AM
Friday

A crude sarcastic comment that is played out frequently.

flashman13

(1,867 posts)
26. You won't see any proof because it's at the bottom of the ocean. See - very convenient.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:46 AM
Friday

Reality is what der furhrer says it is. Dare not question.

Ohioboy

(3,841 posts)
27. Even if we did have proof they are smuggling drugs killing them is wrong
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:54 AM
Friday

I think the reason they don't want survivors is twofold: partly to cover their actions, but mostly to provoke a response.

Ol Janx Spirit

(529 posts)
28. The actual goal is likely to both test the limits of justice and get us used to extrajudicial killings.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:56 AM
Friday

This is the construction of the classic slippery-slope used by all dictators: find a group to easily marginalize and begin killing them. Once you see that you can get away with that you can move on to other less-marginalized groups.

It is not hard to see or understand--but it is painful to admit to ourselves. There are a lot of Americans that want to see us and our children dead--and our possessions taken and distributed among themselves. This is how they start achieving that goal.

Volume 1 of Mein Kampf was published in 1925 and Volume 2 in 1926--almost exactly 100 years ago.

100 years is apparently how long it takes to forget....

taxi

(2,661 posts)
31. All smuggling must be through approved channels.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 11:34 AM
Friday

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Aussie105

(7,493 posts)
38. A crime? Summary execution?
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:17 PM
Friday

Trump and his gang give a big affirmative on both.

American exceptionalism = America can go anywhere in the world and do anything it likes.

It's state sanctioned terrorism, and Trump approves.

Shame Chinese 'exceptionalism' wanting to take Taiwan back into the fold, and Ukraine 'exceptionalism' about keeping its borders intact, also exist.


Aussie105

(7,493 posts)
39. You really have to wonder where all this is meant to take us.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:49 PM
Friday

Trump covering up the Epstein scandal?

Regime change in Venezuela to gain access to natural reserves?

Trump just hates everyone and wants to just destroy things?

Students of history may like to compare current global conditions with those before WW1 and WW2 broke out, and compare.
Lots of scary parallels there.

Trump has declared himself to be President of Europe so I'm told, maybe he is aiming for President of the World?

Anyhow, the whole 'do not follow illegal orders' has been shown to be an irrelevant non-starter.

Fil1957

(455 posts)
40. It's murder, pure and simple. Everyone killed on those boats were murdered whether or not they were carrying drugs, and
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 07:13 PM
Friday

I'll bet most of them weren't.

They were killed to desensitize and normalize the idea of our government randomly killing anyone they want at any time without judicial review.

Their long range goal is to be able to do this to anyone in the United States, regardless of citizenship, who protests, disagrees with them, or whom they just don't like.

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out..."

B.See

(7,513 posts)
43. Far as I'm concerned they
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 08:11 PM
Friday

aren't drug smugglers at ALL. Not until evidence is presented to the contrary... which it hasn't.

He's just murdering more people than he's ALREADY murdered.

quick, somebody hand him another fkn 'peace' prize.

Smackdown2019

(1,327 posts)
48. Ummm Sorry
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 11:12 PM
Friday

Sorry to say, they are drug boats.....

But! How they handle it, so wrong on many levels.

1. Should of been handled as a law enforcement intervention.
2. Use of deadly force was unwarranted.
3. Killing of survivors is unlawful.


But they do appear to be drug boats....

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