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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI would boil the Boat Strikes down to this one point:
Since when is it OK to execute "Suspects?"
We have not seen any proof that any of these boats were smuggling drugs.
gab13by13
(30,890 posts)that the drugs being blown up are meant to go to Europe.
lapfog_1
(31,520 posts)and we had the iron clad proof... since when was drug smuggling a capital crime?
Can someone point to the law that says "if convicted by a jury the judge can impose the death penalty..."
BTW, this isn't about drugs... since Trump has been President he has pardoned TWO convicted massive drug smugglers ( actual cartel like kingpins of the drug world ).
Irish_Dem
(78,673 posts)PatSeg
(51,698 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,673 posts)Thanks, I need the reminder.
Rule of law only for us, the great unwashed.
PatSeg
(51,698 posts)B.See
(7,513 posts)Just saw clips of him on (don't remember whose) late nite talk show. Fkr looks like he's MELTING.
Leave that blow alone, DOOFUS!
Irish_Dem
(78,673 posts)He was obviously high and he doesn't give a damn what people think.
Yes the Trumps all look so weird.
Sometimes I wonder if they are actually humanoid.
marble falls
(70,068 posts)Groundhawg
(1,195 posts)marble falls
(70,068 posts)... the Constitution and it's guaranties, something that SCOTUS has ruled many times applies even to non-Americans caught up in our justice system.
Groundhawg
(1,195 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,673 posts)And can provide no proof whatsoever.
marble falls
(70,068 posts)Attilatheblond
(7,997 posts)I don't think so.
Terrorism is extrajudicial violence. The victims of terrorism are denied due process. Calling for people to be denied due process is a call for extrajudicial violence, ergo it is a call for terrorism.
GreatGazoo
(4,361 posts)That leads to regime change. "Drugs" are just the MacGuffin. This is Gulf of Tonkin stuff.
rubbersole
(10,939 posts)Martin Eden
(15,248 posts)Venezuela sits atop massive oil reserves.
These boat strikes are manufacturing an armed conflict this administration intends to escalate.
The Fascist Grifter has already announced that land strikes will be next and Venezuelan air space is "closed."
GreatGazoo
(4,361 posts)as Russian supply comes back.
Venezuelan oil will be taken off the market to keep prices up.
spanone
(140,836 posts)Emile
(39,807 posts)Makes sense so, of course, they are not going to do that.
Attilatheblond
(7,997 posts)Blowing boats and humans to pieces does not net any suspects higher up in the smuggling rings. Perhaps that is part of the point, Trump/Hegseth might be protecting the top level drug kingpins.
Or, it just might be an expression of Trump/maga blood-lust. Snuff porn writ large on the high seas?
NH Ethylene
(31,273 posts)soldierant
(9,212 posts)because the people in those boats are not taking drugs to the US. Boats that size will not hold enough fuel to get them from Venezuela to the US. It's over 1000 miles.
Not to mention that Fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela. It comes from Mexico.
So much is wrong with their claim that the premise is just impossible. My guess is that the boats are fishing boats. There's actually some evidence for that. The family of one of the casualties has initiated a wrongful death suit and state that the dude was fishing, as he often did, for marlin and/or tuna.
Trueblue Texan
(4,099 posts)Because they are TSF's sycophants.
Emile
(39,807 posts)Nothing is beneath his character. Trump acts like a NY Mafia Godfather.
Ray Bruns
(5,873 posts)January 20th, 2025 apparently.
Aussie105
(7,493 posts)People who are innocent don't die, right?
/sarcasm
Witch trials - the dunking chair to prove someone is a witch or not.
Either way, the accused loses.
BurnDoubt
(1,311 posts)Bev54
(13,103 posts)CanonRay
(15,866 posts)It's that simple.
usonian
(22,896 posts)Why a war?
Because the Epstein event horizon is rapidly approaching.
Wag the Dog.
Even if the DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) lock up all they have in an ion trap, evidence will come out condemning TSF's complicity in the greatest sex and extortion scandal in history.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220810679
He is beyond desperate. This is his Ethiopia (If he didn't fail history, he sure didn't learn from it)
So, like the movie, what if he molested a troop of brownie scouts? Make a war.
Trump: We don't want to be the policemen of the world BY BRETT SAMUELS - 04/30/18
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20729427
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385521-trump-we-dont-want-to-be-the-policemen-of-the-world/President Trump on Monday said the U.S. should no longer serve as the policemen of the world.
We more and more are not wanting to be the policemen of the world, Trump said during a joint press conference with Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari.
Were spending tremendous amounts of money for decades policing the world, and that shouldnt be the priority, he said.
Trump ran on the promise that he would extricate the U.S. from foreign wars.
NOW, WAR IS NEEDED TO TRY TO COVER UP HIS UTTER DEPRAVITY.
Which, when exposed will take down his entire empire and entourage, kings, heads of state, (ahem) judges, and others.
No ballroom or Arc De "Trumph" legacy.
Roger Ebert on "Wag the Dog" (mods are mine)
In the movie, a U.S. president is accused of luring an underage Firefly Girl into an anteroom of the Oval Office, and there presenting her with opportunities no Firefly Girl should anticipate from her commander in chief. A
Why drug smugglers?


And why now?

Others here think alike:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/127012987
sop
(17,120 posts)Aussie105
(7,493 posts)how previous regime change efforts in other countries worked out.
KS Toronado
(22,521 posts)in the sick mind of Donvict, IQ4.7, Der orange Fuhrer, DiaperDon, Pedonald, Tariffman
Not sure what to call him anymore but his murdering ways deserves a new nickname "Kill 'em All Man"?
Any suggestions anybody?
FakeNoose
(39,769 posts)Weapons of Mass Destruction ... the famous lie that "justified" our country's invasion of Iraq and capturing Saddam Hussein. Not as much death this time, but the lack of concern from the media is pretty much the same.
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Norrrm
(3,688 posts)We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If evidence of the drugs exists.

Fil1957
(455 posts)I'll bet most of them weren't.
They were killed to desensitize and normalize the idea of our government randomly killing anyone they want at any time.
The long range goal is to do this to anyone in the United States who protests, disagrees with them, or they just don't like.
twodogsbarking
(17,204 posts)A crude sarcastic comment that is played out frequently.
flashman13
(1,867 posts)Reality is what der furhrer says it is. Dare not question.
Ohioboy
(3,841 posts)I think the reason they don't want survivors is twofold: partly to cover their actions, but mostly to provoke a response.
Ol Janx Spirit
(529 posts)This is the construction of the classic slippery-slope used by all dictators: find a group to easily marginalize and begin killing them. Once you see that you can get away with that you can move on to other less-marginalized groups.
It is not hard to see or understand--but it is painful to admit to ourselves. There are a lot of Americans that want to see us and our children dead--and our possessions taken and distributed among themselves. This is how they start achieving that goal.
Volume 1 of Mein Kampf was published in 1925 and Volume 2 in 1926--almost exactly 100 years ago.
100 years is apparently how long it takes to forget....
Efilroft Sul
(4,269 posts)taxi
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Tesha
(21,092 posts)And is summary execution the response?
Aussie105
(7,493 posts)Trump and his gang give a big affirmative on both.
American exceptionalism = America can go anywhere in the world and do anything it likes.
It's state sanctioned terrorism, and Trump approves.
Shame Chinese 'exceptionalism' wanting to take Taiwan back into the fold, and Ukraine 'exceptionalism' about keeping its borders intact, also exist.
Aussie105
(7,493 posts)Trump covering up the Epstein scandal?
Regime change in Venezuela to gain access to natural reserves?
Trump just hates everyone and wants to just destroy things?
Students of history may like to compare current global conditions with those before WW1 and WW2 broke out, and compare.
Lots of scary parallels there.
Trump has declared himself to be President of Europe so I'm told, maybe he is aiming for President of the World?
Anyhow, the whole 'do not follow illegal orders' has been shown to be an irrelevant non-starter.
Fil1957
(455 posts)I'll bet most of them weren't.
They were killed to desensitize and normalize the idea of our government randomly killing anyone they want at any time without judicial review.
Their long range goal is to be able to do this to anyone in the United States, regardless of citizenship, who protests, disagrees with them, or whom they just don't like.
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out..."
B.See
(7,513 posts)aren't drug smugglers at ALL. Not until evidence is presented to the contrary... which it hasn't.
He's just murdering more people than he's ALREADY murdered.
quick, somebody hand him another fkn 'peace' prize.
calimary
(88,695 posts)Smackdown2019
(1,327 posts)Sorry to say, they are drug boats.....
But! How they handle it, so wrong on many levels.
1. Should of been handled as a law enforcement intervention.
2. Use of deadly force was unwarranted.
3. Killing of survivors is unlawful.
But they do appear to be drug boats....
LilElf70
(1,295 posts)the narcissism and power trips.
usonian
(22,896 posts)