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kentuck

(115,011 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:28 PM Thursday

There are no coincidences...

How much do you think Donald Trump was paid for his pardon of Hernandez, the former leader of Honduras? Five-hundred million? A billion? How much money did this drug dealer have? It has been reported that he brought hundreds of tons of cocaine into the United States?

And Trump gave him a pardon? A coincidence?

Then, there is a madman named Maduro in Venezuela. Trump wants to stop drugs from coming into America so he bombs boats off the coast of that country. He brings in America's largest aircraft carrier into the region. Trump says they may hit land targets soon.

But there are estimates that Venezuela has as much oil reserves as the Saudis. Is that really what Trump is after? Oil? There are no coincidences.

It appears that the leader of this country is extorting people by threatening them with the power of the US military and enriching himself in the process?

Do you think he received anything for his pardon?

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There are no coincidences... (Original Post) kentuck Thursday OP
I have been asking that same question. yellow dahlia Thursday #1
Drugs in little boats is a pretext, just like WMDs were a pretext for the invasion of Iraq. Ocelot II Thursday #2
This is an interesting take from Tapper. No, it's not a defense of pardon. Silent Type Thursday #3
There's also the probability that the pardon of the former Honduran president may upset summer_in_TX Yesterday #4
It was reported that... littlemissmartypants Yesterday #5
One story line seems to be that there are rare earth minerals to be had. Ford_Prefect Yesterday #6
TACO's and Quid Pro Quo MissouriDem47 Yesterday #7
Aaaaaaaaand, a bigly DUH! czarjak Yesterday #8
Two words LilElf70 Yesterday #9

Ocelot II

(128,574 posts)
2. Drugs in little boats is a pretext, just like WMDs were a pretext for the invasion of Iraq.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:42 PM
Thursday

The real goal, much like Iraq, is regime change for the purpose of removing Maduro, who is a nasty piece of work (the new Saddam Hussein), in order to install a right-wing head of government who will sell Venezuela's oil reserves to US companies (and Trump somehow gets a cut).

summer_in_TX

(3,966 posts)
4. There's also the probability that the pardon of the former Honduran president may upset
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 01:01 AM
Yesterday

re-election chances of the current president.

Who would like that upset? Peter Thiel and other tech bros.
Why? Thiel and some of the others have invested in Prospera City, Honduras. It's a Network State or "freedom city."

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/12/why-did-trump-pardon-the-former-honduran-president-follow-the-tech-bros

So why would an administration hell bent on punishing drug traffickers pardon a kingpin like Hernandez?

Some have argued that this could simply be a way to make trouble for the left- wing successor to Hernández, the current Honduran president Xiomara Castro, who has been a strong critic of Trump’s mass deportations. In a recent thread on X, right-wing extremism researcher Jennifer Cohn unearthed an article from January that Trump’s longtime adviser Roger Stone—the convicted and now pardoned felon and political strategist—wrote with conservative commentator Shane Trejo. They suggested that Trump pardon Hernández as a way of trolling Castro:

Castro’s statements in recent weeks in defiance of President Trump’s proposal of mass deportations have raised her profile and caused enmity to build against her from the ‘America First’ right. Castro’s provocations of President Trump, a desperate attempt to rally Hondurans to her side in an election year, may backfire and prove to be her undoing as Trump has quite a bit of leverage at his disposal to upend her fledgling regime.

But they went further in elaborating the benefits of this strategy. In helping to unseat Castro, Stone and Trejo wrote, Trump could both “crush socialism and save a freedom city in Honduras.” The “freedom city” in question, they explained, was Próspera, a special economic zone founded in Honduras by a cadre of American tech titans including Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen—both friends and fans of Trump family.


littlemissmartypants

(31,042 posts)
5. It was reported that...
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 01:02 AM
Yesterday

He had been directly negotiating through US government lobbyists for his pardon. The implication is that money must have changed hands to facilitate the pardon.

Sorry, I didn't note the reference. You might be able to find it (if the regime hasn't compromised the source by now) if you look.

Ford_Prefect

(8,486 posts)
6. One story line seems to be that there are rare earth minerals to be had.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 01:12 AM
Yesterday

The drug thing is a deflection. Far more cocaine comes here from Columbia than anything delivered from Venezuela.
It's been observed that NONE of the boats sunk had the range to reach the continental USA. To say nothing about questions of evidence or appropriate interdiction methods.

MissouriDem47

(361 posts)
7. TACO's and Quid Pro Quo
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 01:12 AM
Yesterday

How many times in his life has TACO ever done anything for anyone unless he received something in return?

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