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demmiblue

(39,253 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:21 AM Dec 4

Sean Duffy on slashing fuel economy standards: "This rule will actually allow you to bring back the 1970s station wagon.

Sean Duffy on slashing fuel economy standards: "This rule will actually allow you to bring back the 1970s station wagon. Maybe a little wood paneling on the side. We can bring back choice to consumers."

Sean Duffy on slashing fuel economy standards: "This rule will actually allow you to bring back the 1970s station wagon. Maybe a little wood paneling on the side. We can bring back choice to consumers."

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-12-04T13:23:34.925Z

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Sean Duffy on slashing fuel economy standards: "This rule will actually allow you to bring back the 1970s station wagon. (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 4 OP
Who would want a 1970 station wagon, the Griswald's nt doc03 Dec 4 #1
Just what I've been dreaming of for the last 40 years. Ocelot II Dec 4 #2
There's a wrap for that! demmiblue Dec 4 #6
OMG! Somebody actually figured out a way to make the Cybertruck even uglier. Ocelot II Dec 4 #7
What a terrible day to have eyes Rob H. Dec 4 #30
OMG, perfect! BlueSpot Dec 4 #66
Talk about taking America backwards! Diamond_Dog Dec 4 #3
And why Rebl2 Dec 4 #4
Seats nine and 30% of passengers are in that rear seat always looking backwards. Sounds familiar. dameatball Dec 4 #5
... demmiblue Dec 4 #8
Seats 10. carpetbagger Dec 4 #49
mine was a 73 chevy malabu. metallic green. rampartd Dec 4 #51
PS: FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT. Yours, Sean. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 4 #9
I had a 1986 Caprice Classic Wagon dsc Dec 4 #10
U.S. consumers made their choices. They don't want 70's wagons. They want massive SUV's. kysrsoze Dec 4 #11
They also are not interested in buying an EV MichMan Dec 4 #43
We don't want this kind of choice, Sean. God, this guy's an idiot. travelingthrulife Dec 4 #12
We always had a station wagon when I was growing up. llmart Dec 4 #45
Why did I immediately think of "The Brady Bunch"? They must've had a station wagon. betsuni Dec 4 #13
The first Brady Bunch Station Wagon from a November 1969 episode Wiz Imp Dec 4 #38
I have ForgedCrank Dec 4 #39
Do these idiots really think we want to choose to spend more on gas? Americanme Dec 4 #14
I don't think these idiots "think " at all. Hey Joe Dec 4 #17
Somebody does. I red earlier this year trucks were 17% larger last season travelingthrulife Dec 4 #19
We already did...it's called a Subaru Outback Prairie Gates Dec 4 #15
Actually titled as a station wagon unweird Dec 4 #29
It's def a station wagon Prairie Gates Dec 4 #36
This guy needs to take a long trip purr-rat beauty Dec 4 #16
A couple of days ago my husband commented that by the time Trump is done our air will resemble Vinca Dec 4 #18
I know, right?! yardwork Dec 4 #20
I seem to remember half days from school because of the smog, miyazaki Dec 4 #27
Had one snowybirdie Dec 4 #21
He has 9 kids Wiz Imp Dec 4 #37
Bat shit crazies. Baitball Blogger Dec 4 #22
Auto companies will go bankrupt if they try building them. Nobody but a handful RockRaven Dec 4 #23
Hey Sean! Why not ban catalytic converters no_hypocrisy Dec 4 #24
The 1970s was probably the worst decade for American cars in the last 75 years. So why would we want to revisit it? yellowcanine Dec 4 #25
Maybe they'll bring back the Pinto! jmbar2 Dec 4 #26
Now. Now Junipercity Dec 4 #53
They are actually pretty cool cars jmbar2 Dec 4 #60
Ford's better idea. VGNonly Dec 4 #58
Bwa Ha Ha - what is that clip from? jmbar2 Dec 4 #61
Top Secret VGNonly Dec 5 #67
We had a Pinto wagon - complete with wood sides tinrobot Dec 4 #63
he will also bring back 1970s air pollution DBoon Dec 4 #28
Cool, will it get rid of seat belts, too? tanyev Dec 4 #31
Faux paneling? get the red out Dec 4 #32
Ah, the Griswold Family Truckster! ThoughtCriminal Dec 4 #33
And bench front seats with fake leather and no airbags The Madcap Dec 4 #34
With a single-pane real glass windshield and no seal belts dalton99a Dec 4 #35
Hang on for a second here...1970s station wagon? jmowreader Dec 4 #40
The 1970's Station Wagon averaged 12 mpg highway. 22 gallon tank haele Dec 4 #41
I read through all the posts before seeing you refer to them as a "woodie". llmart Dec 4 #46
"F*ck the environment!" -Duffy, probably sakabatou Dec 4 #42
Isn't that just a minivan? Or a large SUV? Arazi Dec 4 #44
You could get Woody panels on the PT Cruiser in the 2000's haele Dec 4 #50
The Bulgemobiles of Bruce McCall Kid Berwyn Dec 4 #47
Now, if Trump & Duffy can bring back the Pinto LetMyPeopleVote Dec 4 #48
The Corvair, too! Ocelot II Dec 4 #52
This isn't some cornball perfect white America TV show you dolt. underpants Dec 4 #54
Stagflation comes standard NickB79 Dec 4 #55
will he bring back waiting in line for gasoline? DBoon Dec 4 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author SamuelTheThird Dec 4 #57
I took my driver's test in a 1978 Malibu wagon with wood siding. I really loved driving that car. beaglelover Dec 4 #59
1972 gold Ford Country Sedan wagon here. maxsolomon Dec 4 #65
You mean a 460 cubic inch big block with 212 horsepower? Pushing 4500 lbs of Country Squire? flvegan Dec 4 #62
He's such a dumbass. Yes, and maybe moms will wear gloves and a hat to car pool as well! Iris Dec 4 #64

Ocelot II

(129,124 posts)
2. Just what I've been dreaming of for the last 40 years.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:25 AM
Dec 4


Maybe Elon will make a wood-paneled Tesla station wagon?

Ocelot II

(129,124 posts)
7. OMG! Somebody actually figured out a way to make the Cybertruck even uglier.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:14 AM
Dec 4

Kudos, I think...

Diamond_Dog

(39,776 posts)
3. Talk about taking America backwards!
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:49 AM
Dec 4

A 1970s era wood paneled station wagon is the perfect symbol for what Republicans want for America.

dameatball

(7,653 posts)
5. Seats nine and 30% of passengers are in that rear seat always looking backwards. Sounds familiar.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:11 AM
Dec 4

carpetbagger

(5,413 posts)
49. Seats 10.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 04:33 PM
Dec 4

The smallest kid fit sideways in that space between the 2nd and 3rd rows.

If you call me bitter and traumatized, I'll throw my prunes at you and chase you off my lawn.

dsc

(53,322 posts)
10. I had a 1986 Caprice Classic Wagon
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:31 AM
Dec 4

it was massive and got horrific gas mileage. Frankly school buses do better now than that did 20 years ago. It was, to be fair, a great car to move from Ohio to NC in. I was able to move a whole bunch of my stuff. But it was otherwise very impractical. I just bought a Hyundai Elantra Hybrid. I get just under 50 mpg in it so far. I literally had no American made option in terms of sedans.

kysrsoze

(6,411 posts)
11. U.S. consumers made their choices. They don't want 70's wagons. They want massive SUV's.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:52 AM
Dec 4

How can this adminstration be so completely out of touch, and idiotic about EVERYTHING?

MichMan

(16,640 posts)
43. They also are not interested in buying an EV
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 02:30 PM
Dec 4

GM CEO Mary Barra said that in order to meet the current standards 50% of sales would need to be EV. She didn't see consumers interested in buying them in those numbers.

(Bloomberg) -- General Motors Co. faced the prospect of needing to cut production of gasoline-fueled vehicles if electric-vehicle sales failed to grow as needed under ambitious fuel economy requirements enacted by President Joe Biden, company Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra said.

Fuel efficiency standards now being rolled back under President Donald Trump would have required a fleet average of about 50 miles per gallon by 2031. That effectively meant that most carmakers would have to get more than half of their sales from EVs by that time.

If those EV sales didn’t materialize — and the rules weren’t reduced by Biden in response — GM would have had to limit sales of gasoline-powered vehicles and possibly shut down some of its production, Barra said at the New York Times Dealbook conference in New York on Wednesday.

“We were going to have to start shutting down plants,” Barra said.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/gm-s-barra-says-tough-auto-mileage-rules-risked-plant-shutdowns/ar-AA1REiGC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=6930ca569a1e44d88d66e91dd8baccca&ei=11

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
12. We don't want this kind of choice, Sean. God, this guy's an idiot.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:54 AM
Dec 4

I remember one of these cars. We had 10 kids in our family. Those stuck in the back of the car of course had no seat belts so you would kind of roll around and most ended up nauseated.

llmart

(17,326 posts)
45. We always had a station wagon when I was growing up.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 03:00 PM
Dec 4

There were seven kids and my parents and that's the only vehicle that would hold us all. We even had an Edsel station wagon and one time we had a funeral car. It had kneelers that folded down in the middle seat and we used to fight over who was going to get those seats. They were always used cars as we were poor. My parents never had a new car or two cars.

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
39. I have
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:21 PM
Dec 4

to disagree.
Vehicle emission systems were at peak effectiveness in the early 90's. In that era, we had catalyst systems and MFI that eliminated most pollutants. Since then, EGR and EVAP systems have grown out of control and are a plague for the consumer. That's not to even mention the 100+ sensors now required to monitor all of it and the dozens of other tech that has been implemented in an attempt to gain 0.01% extra efficiency. It's madness at this point.
All of the stuff added since then have been for minor, and I mean extremely minor gains and all at a massive cost. Not only cost in development and manufacturing, but they consume the vast majority of repair bills over the life of the vehicle, often sending otherwise mechanically serviceable vehicles to the scrap yard as they are no long worth fixing from a monetary viewpoint, or the mfg simply stopped making the parts.
The idea was taken way too far and it is the primary reason you now have to get 7 year loans to afford a new vehicle. The entire system needs to be revisited and brought back to a reasonable level. It is way out of control.

Americanme

(376 posts)
14. Do these idiots really think we want to choose to spend more on gas?
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:08 AM
Dec 4

I don't want to burn more gas every mile.

Hey Joe

(411 posts)
17. I don't think these idiots "think " at all.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:15 AM
Dec 4

Unless it’s a scheme to generate wealth from shaking down the world before killing the planet. That appears to be all that they are capable of.

unweird

(3,276 posts)
29. Actually titled as a station wagon
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 12:39 PM
Dec 4

We bought one a couple of years ago for retirement roadtripping. I was pleased that PA actually registered it as a station wagon and not an SUV.

Vinca

(53,364 posts)
18. A couple of days ago my husband commented that by the time Trump is done our air will resemble
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:18 AM
Dec 4

the way it was in the 1950's. It's taken decades to clean up and now we can look forward to starting all over again.

yardwork

(68,981 posts)
20. I know, right?!
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:21 AM
Dec 4

I remember flying into LA in July 1975. We walked out of the airport into a greenish yellow haze that burned our eyes. It looked and smelled like Hell.

miyazaki

(2,595 posts)
27. I seem to remember half days from school because of the smog,
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 12:10 PM
Dec 4

and/or spending recess inside the gym.

You can still see it in particular episodes of Adam 12 and Emergency! filmed in that time.

snowybirdie

(6,569 posts)
21. Had one
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:21 AM
Dec 4

way toocrowded with my 5 rug rats and dog. Forget groceries in the back. Isn't this the guy who has 6 or 7 kids?

RockRaven

(18,738 posts)
23. Auto companies will go bankrupt if they try building them. Nobody but a handful
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:31 AM
Dec 4

of MAGAt freaks wants a car like that anymore.

yellowcanine

(36,719 posts)
25. The 1970s was probably the worst decade for American cars in the last 75 years. So why would we want to revisit it?
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:47 AM
Dec 4
Duffy is an idiot.

Junipercity

(78 posts)
53. Now. Now
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 04:58 PM
Dec 4

I owned 5, one was the wood toned wagon. I enjoyed them all very much! 😆 easy to work on, cheap, and not a single one exploded!

My first was a 70 1/2 model year 71 with a sn# under 10,000

jmbar2

(7,649 posts)
60. They are actually pretty cool cars
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:07 PM
Dec 4

I had forgotten what they looked like. I still would not want to be rear-ended in one.

DBoon

(24,749 posts)
28. he will also bring back 1970s air pollution
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 12:15 PM
Dec 4


yes, the picture is from 1948, but you had similar conditions until the early 1980s

jmowreader

(52,904 posts)
40. Hang on for a second here...1970s station wagon?
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:53 PM
Dec 4

Isn't that what a Chevy Suburban is? The only differences between a station wagon and an SUV are about a foot of ground clearance and a driven front axle on the SUV.

haele

(15,090 posts)
41. The 1970's Station Wagon averaged 12 mpg highway. 22 gallon tank
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 02:11 PM
Dec 4

Boy howdy I really want one; what with gas averaging around $3 - $5 per gallon wherever it is you're located. Heck, bring back those leaded fumes while you're at it.

Give me a cream colored woodie, one with 3 on the tree or 4 on the floor. I don't care! (What, you never drove stick?)
I need that vroom, vroom feeling to take me back to my childhood.

Ah. The scent of car-sick six-year olds and naugahyde rear facing bench seats in the back of the wagon...

Duffy's a F'ing idiot.

On edit. Corrected the mpg in the header. I looked up my uncle's old Impala station wagon; averaged 10 city/12 highway.
Dad's Valiant (considered a compact vehicle) got an average of 15 mpg.

llmart

(17,326 posts)
46. I read through all the posts before seeing you refer to them as a "woodie".
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 03:05 PM
Dec 4

The headlines should read, "Sean Duffy wants a woodie." Let social media play with that meme for awhile.

There were a lot of off-colored jokes about owning a "woodie". You get my drift.

Arazi

(8,708 posts)
44. Isn't that just a minivan? Or a large SUV?
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 02:44 PM
Dec 4

If you want woody panels I’m sure a body shop can add them (and we can laugh at you for it)

haele

(15,090 posts)
50. You could get Woody panels on the PT Cruiser in the 2000's
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 04:34 PM
Dec 4

I think you can get them on the ID Buzz as a trim wrap, too.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

beaglelover

(4,428 posts)
59. I took my driver's test in a 1978 Malibu wagon with wood siding. I really loved driving that car.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 06:07 PM
Dec 4

It had a V8 engine with a very smooth ride. But I loved driving my Mom's 1977 Camaro with the V8 more!

flvegan

(65,790 posts)
62. You mean a 460 cubic inch big block with 212 horsepower? Pushing 4500 lbs of Country Squire?
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:17 PM
Dec 4

Nobody wants that, Sean, you dipshit.

BTW, anyone that actually DOES want a 70s station wagon can buy one on Bring a Trailer or Cars n Bids or eBay Motors. They were shit when new, they are shit now, and they'll always be shit.

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