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cyclonefence

(5,144 posts) Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:01 PM Dec 3

What Pete Hegseth and these other chest-thumpers don't seem to understand

is that rules of engagement work both ways. Don't they see that if we start killing people who pose no threat--people who are drowning--we don't get to complain if *our servicepeople* are tortured, mistreated and killed when they are hors de combat?

Typical of conservatives, who are unable to imagine themselves in any situation other than what they imagine themselves to be.

Re-education camps for conservatives: force them to read novels.

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What Pete Hegseth and these other chest-thumpers don't seem to understand (Original Post) cyclonefence Dec 3 OP

Exactly the point I keep making. Hegseth is putting US troops in grave danger. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #1

Yes! Force them to read novels! SheltieLover Dec 3 #2

Presupposes that MAGAts can read..... lastlib Dec 3 #14

Yes, that is a big problem in magat land SheltieLover Dec 3 #15

I was more generous, had them at 5th grade level. ananda Dec 3 #16

Most of them Traildogbob Dec 3 #3

Plus they are putting the troops into moral dilemmas Redleg Dec 3 #4

So basically the exact thing our service members have faced since the Korean War? DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 3 #5

So you think Hegseth's got it right? dpibel Dec 3 #6

No DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 3 #18

Slinking back to the lowest Bmoboy Dec 3 #11

80 years ago DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 3 #19

Or at least make them watch some decent movies PatSeg Dec 3 #7

Excellent point! And the re-education camps too! liberalla Dec 3 #8

Chickenhawks don't care. kairos12 Dec 3 #9

Exactly. MLWR Dec 3 #17

"is that rules of engagement work both ways" Ray Bruns Dec 3 #10

Oh, to hell with that! OldBaldy1701E Dec 3 #12

Fore me them to read anything other than a room of maga haters. MLAA Dec 3 #13

Non military citizens as well. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 4 #20

Irish_Dem

(79,859 posts)

1. Exactly the point I keep making. Hegseth is putting US troops in grave danger.

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:05 PM

Dec 3

There will be no restraints now against them.

SheltieLover

(76,862 posts)

2. Yes! Force them to read novels!

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:14 PM

Dec 3

Last edited Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Laws are for thee, not me, just doesn't fly in reality.

lastlib

(27,554 posts)

14. Presupposes that MAGAts can read.....

Reply to SheltieLover (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:21 PM

Dec 3

...above a second-grade level......

A problematic supposition, IMHO.

SheltieLover

(76,862 posts)

15. Yes, that is a big problem in magat land

Reply to lastlib (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:25 PM

Dec 3

ananda

(34,439 posts)

16. I was more generous, had them at 5th grade level.

Reply to lastlib (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:45 PM

Dec 3

Maybe I was too generous.

Traildogbob

(12,561 posts)

3. Most of them

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:14 PM

Dec 3

Never serve or see combat. Graham damn sure knows the rules as a former JAG officer. Pretty fucking sure McCain explained to him while riding his coat tail what is unacceptable in war.
Don’t forget Trump fired top ranking officers in every branch as well as top ranking military Legal Officers.
The Coup is in full control, Miller ”Calling the Shots” literally. No powerful NATO will come to liberate us, until Trump goes full Hitler, I mean Miller does, and starts going after multiple countries.
Wait, Trump said that today, going after every country sending drugs.
Does he realize the amount of Meth being cooked by WNC cartels up in these mtns?

Redleg

(6,817 posts)

4. Plus they are putting the troops into moral dilemmas

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:48 PM

Dec 3

by giving unlawful orders and applying pressure for them to follow them without question. What ever happened to the notion of reciprocal oaths? You know, where a person takes an oath of service and their superiors take an oath not to put the person in a situation that might cause shame or loss of honor.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,461 posts)

5. So basically the exact thing our service members have faced since the Korean War?

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:58 PM

Dec 3

Because most combatants we have faced since WW2 were pretty comfortable with torturing and killing our service members regardless of what we did.

dpibel

(3,780 posts)

6. So you think Hegseth's got it right?

Reply to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:13 PM

Dec 3

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,461 posts)

18. No

Reply to dpibel (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:58 PM

Dec 3

But lets not pretend American service members had a great likelihood of be treated well before this and it suddenly changed. They didn't.

Bmoboy

(607 posts)

11. Slinking back to the lowest

Reply to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:26 PM

Dec 3

For a brief moment, the concept of a compassionate victor seemed possible. Germany and Japan were rebuilt. Europe was rebuilt.

Now, mutually assured destruction is once again the dominant policy.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,461 posts)

19. 80 years ago

Reply to Bmoboy (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 05:01 PM

Dec 3

The vast majority of people who saw that are long dead. That world hasnt existed for a while.

PatSeg

(52,197 posts)

7. Or at least make them watch some decent movies

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:15 PM

Dec 3

about warfare and the military.

liberalla

(10,821 posts)

8. Excellent point! And the re-education camps too!

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:20 PM

Dec 3

For the ones who are 'way far gone'... maybe time in cult de-programming first, and then the re-education.

kairos12

(13,467 posts)

9. Chickenhawks don't care.

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:20 PM

Dec 3

MLWR

(778 posts)

17. Exactly.

Reply to kairos12 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:56 PM

Dec 3

I don't know why anyone thinks that Krasnov and Hogsbreath give a shit about how our soldiers, those "suckers and losers," will be treated by other countries. Krasnov certainly doesn't and Hogsbreath appears to be cast from the same or a similar mold.

Ray Bruns

(5,985 posts)

10. "is that rules of engagement work both ways"

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:26 PM

Dec 3

I have been saying that since the beginning. One day, these chickens will come home to roost.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,192 posts)

12. Oh, to hell with that!

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:49 PM

Dec 3

Conservatives need to be put on th front line of their stupid dick wavings. Let them risk their own lives if they want to start shit with someone.

FAFO is a tough teacher.

MLAA

(19,669 posts)

13. Fore me them to read anything other than a room of maga haters.

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:19 PM

Dec 3

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)

20. Non military citizens as well.

Reply to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2025, 04:41 AM

Dec 4

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