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babylonsister

(172,523 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 07:37 AM Nov 30

If Hegseth Gave an Order to "Kill Everybody," He Must Be Removed and Prosecuted

If Hegseth Gave an Order to “Kill Everybody,” He Must Be Removed and Prosecuted
by Thom Hartmann | November 30, 2025 - 6:41am

— from The Hartmann Report

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What the Post reports is almost too grotesque to absorb.

After the first U.S. missile ripped the boat apart and set it burning, commanders watched on a live drone feed as two survivors clung desperately to the charred wreckage.

They were unarmed. They were wounded. They were no threat to anyone. They were simply alive; inconveniently alive for a man who had allegedly already given the order that there be no survivors.

And so, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the strike, the Special Operations commander overseeing the operation ordered a second missile. It hit the water and blew those two men apart.


History tells us to watch out for nations that lose their moral compass in real time.

It starts when the powerful stop seeing human beings as human. It accelerates when the government itself denies any obligation to justify its killings.

And when leaders begin lying to Congress and the public to cover what they’ve done, you’re no longer looking at isolated abuses. You’re staring straight into the machinery of authoritarianism.

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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/115565/if-hegseth-gave-an-order-to-kill-everybody-he-must-be-removed-and-prosecuted

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If Hegseth Gave an Order to "Kill Everybody," He Must Be Removed and Prosecuted (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 30 OP
shithole was aware and boasted it on his fucked social media platform............... Lovie777 Nov 30 #1
The US Supreme Court has given Trump permission to kidnap, torture, kill as many people as he wants. Irish_Dem Nov 30 #7
It is why they fear Kelly et al malaise Nov 30 #2
I know these people aren't old enough to remember it, but hasn't any one of them ever heard of My Lai Walleye Nov 30 #3
And who will remove him? Blumancru Nov 30 #4
If they can get him before a judge, that might babylonsister Nov 30 #9
They reported there were 11 people in the boat, which would be an indication it wasn't a drug shipment. Vinca Nov 30 #5
2 additional important points from his piece (imo): Native Nov 30 #6
Usually you arrest the lower level cartel members who can name names. Irish_Dem Nov 30 #8
Articles of impeachment against Hegseth should be drawn. Squaredeal Nov 30 #10
He can't be impeached, and Trump will pardon him of any crime. nt doc03 Nov 30 #11
In a normal world that would be the case Bettie Nov 30 #12
Sad to admit it, but our country is in a big bluestarone Nov 30 #13
Hegseth is a war criminal/mass murderer LetMyPeopleVote Nov 30 #14
The first pass was already murder, and they don't care about that. Iggo Nov 30 #15
He is not alone DFW Nov 30 #16
Anyone who is watching our Armed Forces and expecting true resistance to unlawful, unconstitutional orders, take note. artemisia1 Nov 30 #17

Lovie777

(21,429 posts)
1. shithole was aware and boasted it on his fucked social media platform...............
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 07:43 AM
Nov 30

those 6 assholes US SC justices gave shithole immunity, does this also cover murder?

Irish_Dem

(78,765 posts)
7. The US Supreme Court has given Trump permission to kidnap, torture, kill as many people as he wants.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:22 AM
Nov 30

Walleye

(43,571 posts)
3. I know these people aren't old enough to remember it, but hasn't any one of them ever heard of My Lai
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 07:49 AM
Nov 30

And lieutenant Calley? Trump would probably pardon him at this point.

Blumancru

(152 posts)
4. And who will remove him?
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 07:51 AM
Nov 30

Maybe the same people who stopped the destruction of the White House and who stopped our military from being used against us? The same people who stopped the vaccine disinformation and the rampant bribery?
Who will remove him?

Nobody, that’s who.

The only one with power to remove him is pleased with what he is doing.

Vinca

(53,132 posts)
5. They reported there were 11 people in the boat, which would be an indication it wasn't a drug shipment.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 07:56 AM
Nov 30

Drug runners pack the boat with drugs, not people.

Native

(7,282 posts)
6. 2 additional important points from his piece (imo):
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:19 AM
Nov 30

"The administration insists the victims were members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. But in classified briefings to Congress, Pentagon officials have not provided even one single verified name of a trafficker or gang leader they’ve killed. Lawmakers from both parties say they’ve been shown nothing beyond grainy videos of small boats being destroyed from the air.

If these men had truly been high–value cartel operatives, Trump would be parading names and photos across every rally stage in America. The silence tells its own story."

and...

"If the Post’s reporting is accurate — and multiple congressional offices say it is consistent with what whistleblowers have told them — then the United States has engaged in the deliberate killing of wounded, unarmed men floating in the sea."

.....I hope those whistleblowers are protected.

Irish_Dem

(78,765 posts)
8. Usually you arrest the lower level cartel members who can name names.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:24 AM
Nov 30

You work your way up the food chain to the top dogs.

You don't kill those who can nail the cartel leaders.

Squaredeal

(699 posts)
10. Articles of impeachment against Hegseth should be drawn.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:46 AM
Nov 30

Let’s see where the two parties stand on murder. (Sen. Sue Collins can be “concerned”.)

Bettie

(19,191 posts)
12. In a normal world that would be the case
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:25 AM
Nov 30

...in this version of the world, who fucking knows what will happen.

bluestarone

(20,987 posts)
13. Sad to admit it, but our country is in a big
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:35 AM
Nov 30

CATCH-22 We have lost complete control. If anybody has answers that would get us out of this mess please enter them here. I'm even thinking that when we get control of the house, the only thing we gain is possible investigations, and we ALL know how that goes. DAM, the most beautiful country in the world is being destroyed by the WORST of the WORST!!

Iggo

(49,525 posts)
15. The first pass was already murder, and they don't care about that.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:49 PM
Nov 30

Why would they care about the second pass?

DFW

(59,594 posts)
16. He is not alone
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:11 PM
Nov 30

Trump approved the attack, Hegseth ordered the killing, and Bondi is sure to have given the legal green light (backed up by at least Alito and Thomas, possibly the rest of the Trump Six). Good luck on getting your hands on THAT recording. Even if you did, The Roberts Six would find a justification for it. To them, murder is not a crime unless doe to someone they don't like.

Hegseth mightend up being Trump's Ernst Röhm, but I think Trump likes him too much for that.

artemisia1

(1,197 posts)
17. Anyone who is watching our Armed Forces and expecting true resistance to unlawful, unconstitutional orders, take note.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:16 PM
Nov 30

Incidents like these show that your faith, if you have it, is misplaced. It is upon the populace to resist.

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