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Cattledog

(6,568 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 04:57 PM Nov 26

DC shooting is proof you can't stop a shooting.

That area has more armed law enforcement per sq. foot than any place in America.

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DC shooting is proof you can't stop a shooting. (Original Post) Cattledog Nov 26 OP
It was once told to me that anyone can be gotten to if the assailant is willing to die. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 26 #1
Exactly. Often the only thing separating ANY figure from being murdered is an unwillingness to die by the assailant. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Nov 26 #3
trump will just say it wasn't enough. A lot will depend on suspect's motive, whether real or made up. Silent Type Nov 26 #2
I will never understand MAGA's police and military fetish. Initech Nov 26 #4
it's the fascist, bully mentality .. they are cowards at heart LymphocyteLover Nov 26 #17
Old Testament values of strong father/leaders who rule with harsh punishment and an iron fist ms liberty Nov 26 #20
IMO, the only way to prevent a shooting in one location nitpicked Nov 26 #5
People have shot at the White House from that area several times over the years IronLionZion Nov 26 #6
It won't change unless the will to change is there. It is a hope but a long shot. twodogsbarking Nov 26 #7
Over the years, i've known far too many people who were shot Warpy Nov 26 #8
Good advise KS Toronado Nov 26 #11
In a nation awash in a sea of firearms? Absolutely not. paleotn Nov 26 #9
False flag? liberalgunwilltravel Nov 26 #10
I was thinking the same thing. Aristus Nov 26 #12
Me to popsdenver Nov 26 #14
What would be the point of a false flag? This makes Trump look bad. Anxy Nov 26 #16
If it's 'false flag' then Igel Nov 26 #18
The point of a "false flag" is to give trump a reason to escalate the situation... Wounded Bear Nov 26 #23
the soldier who died was a gal Skittles Nov 27 #27
Right-Wing Accelerationism? Bavorskoami Nov 26 #21
It looks unlikely liberalgunwilltravel Nov 27 #25
Jesus. Not everything is a conspiracy, though you wouldn't know it by reading DU NoRethugFriends Nov 27 #29
Good guys with guns.... COL Mustard Nov 26 #13
Agreed popsdenver Nov 26 #15
Trump created the climate which allowed this attack to take place. Zelda_Orchid Nov 26 #19
He literally created the circumstances. The NG wouldn't have been there but for him RockRaven Nov 27 #26
Trump doesn't seem to grasp that deescalation is often part of law enforcement. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 26 #22
trump doesn't de-escalate... Wounded Bear Nov 26 #24
The only way to stop it is for the troops to frisk everyone and take away all guns. Srkdqltr Nov 27 #28
3. Exactly. Often the only thing separating ANY figure from being murdered is an unwillingness to die by the assailant. n/t
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:10 PM
Nov 26

Silent Type

(12,279 posts)
2. trump will just say it wasn't enough. A lot will depend on suspect's motive, whether real or made up.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:08 PM
Nov 26

ms liberty

(10,867 posts)
20. Old Testament values of strong father/leaders who rule with harsh punishment and an iron fist
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:40 PM
Nov 26

That's my guess.

nitpicked

(1,562 posts)
5. IMO, the only way to prevent a shooting in one location
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:16 PM
Nov 26

Is to surround that location with ultra-tight security ((think security for Inaugurations)).

But then the gunman might choose to shoot up somewhere else.

IronLionZion

(50,582 posts)
6. People have shot at the White House from that area several times over the years
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:52 PM
Nov 26

Shootings can happen very fast. They can do plenty of damage before LE can stop it.

Warpy

(114,318 posts)
8. Over the years, i've known far too many people who were shot
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:02 PM
Nov 26

with the guns they kept for protection. They were shot by bad guys who broke in and stole them, by angry family members who know where to find them, and saddest of all, by themselves.

Someone a long time ago gave me some very sage advice after he'd taught me how to fight really dirty: "Don't get a gun. First, people are never afraid of getting shot. They're very afraid of getting cut, so if you need to carry any kind of weapon, make it a knife. Second, carrying a gun makes you over confident to the point you stop being as aware of your surroundings as you should be. Third, anyone who manages to surprise you will take that gun away from you and probably use your own gun to shoot you." I'd add that guns, like gold, are thief magnets. I've never carried a gun or had one in my home. I've never felt like I had to.

paleotn

(21,323 posts)
9. In a nation awash in a sea of firearms? Absolutely not.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:13 PM
Nov 26

Welcome to real police work, Nat Guard guys. Wanted to or were forced to play cop? Sometimes that means getting shot and perhaps killed. Usually without nearly as much media air time as this particular shooting is getting.

Anxy

(44 posts)
16. What would be the point of a false flag? This makes Trump look bad.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:40 PM
Nov 26

First, the National Guard was supposed to stop crime and didn’t. Second, these young men were shot because Trump forced them to do police work instead of doing what they do.

What would Trump gain by doing this? Would he scream that he needs to send the National Guard to DC? They’re already there and they’re being shot.

Igel

(37,238 posts)
18. If it's 'false flag' then
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:17 PM
Nov 26

it obviously can't be 'one of us'.

You know, all that 'war' and dehumanizing/resistance language directed at ICE and the fascists?

NBC reports "Afghan national" according to couple of non-US anglophone sources.

Wounded Bear

(63,650 posts)
23. The point of a "false flag" is to give trump a reason to escalate the situation...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:58 PM
Nov 26

Sounds like he's planning to send in 500 more troops from what I've heard.

Convince a MAGA to take one for the team, and bingo! trump has an excuse to call Martial Law.

Bavorskoami

(165 posts)
21. Right-Wing Accelerationism?
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:48 PM
Nov 26

I would be skeptical of a regime linked false flag operation, but I can readily imagine militant extremists doing something like this to "accelerate" chaos and resulting possible violent crack down - like members of the Boogaloo movement who advocate inciting a race war.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,031 posts)
25. It looks unlikely
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:31 PM
Nov 27

To be a false flag now. More like an American ally that felt betrayed. And with the CIA background who knows what the back story is.

COL Mustard

(7,898 posts)
13. Good guys with guns....
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:30 PM
Nov 26

Couldn't stop a bad guy with a gun, apparently.

I am sending good vibes and thoughts to the troops who were shot and their families. They do not deserve this.

RockRaven

(18,548 posts)
26. He literally created the circumstances. The NG wouldn't have been there but for him
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:33 PM
Nov 27

forcing them to be.

Wounded Bear

(63,650 posts)
24. trump doesn't de-escalate...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:00 PM
Nov 26

He hits back with more force.

Remember?

He has a gas pedal, no brakes.

Srkdqltr

(9,212 posts)
28. The only way to stop it is for the troops to frisk everyone and take away all guns.
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:50 PM
Nov 27

And, that's not going to happen ever.

Although, that is an interesting idea.

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