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The peace deal that Trump is pushing is a wish list that Russia leaked according to Secretary Rubio. This has got to be the biggest bunch of idiots I have ever seen running the federal government. Why is Trump pushing Zelenskyy to sign a Russian wish list? Trump does not know his ass from a hole in the ground!
Big Blue Marble
(5,666 posts)Lots of infighting in the WH, maybe going behind Trump. Smells a bit like
Iran-Contra even to point JD is doing a little premature presidententing.
Jack Valentino
(4,375 posts)a Russian couch........... !
Upjumpdadebil
(18 posts)The circle is completed
usonian
(23,564 posts)That seems to be what's going on these days, where the mousetraps are nukes.
Insane stuff. Looking for tin foil to wear.
Walleye
(43,831 posts)He admires Putin for his wealth and his body count
spooky3
(38,275 posts)ananda
(34,434 posts)Trump is definitely his bitch.
Cha
(316,794 posts)Why not.
: Not that he wouldn't do it without being Extorted.
summer_in_TX
(4,046 posts)Fairly sure on a regular basis.
Cha
(316,794 posts)MadameButterfly
(3,746 posts)Anyone know what was behind that?
Walleye
(43,831 posts)czarjak
(13,437 posts)FakeNoose
(40,191 posts)Also I believe Epstein was an investment counselor for several oligarchs who wanted to buy US properties, stocks, and other investments. Epstein helped them navigate the financial waters, for a large fee of course.
It might have been Epstein who set up the oligarchs to buy the overpriced condos in the Chump family hotels. The oligarchs couldn't buy directly in their own names, they had to set up dummy Delaware corporations with American-sounding names like "ABC Investments Inc." in which they were the sole owners. That's how they purchased properties, US stocks and securities, etc.
MadameButterfly
(3,746 posts)A Blue state helping facilitate the fall of Democracy
OAITW r.2.0
(31,501 posts)Putin had Trump figured out in the early 80s.
MadameButterfly
(3,746 posts)or what Putin has to do to protect himself from assassination
sheshe2
(95,902 posts)KS Toronado
(23,060 posts)Even the scarecrow had one.
sheshe2
(95,902 posts)HighFired49
(458 posts)If he was smart, we would probably all be dead. Democrats, ya know. And, would probably be at war with half the free world.
struggle4progress
(125,382 posts)dcweed
(35 posts)I think the Orange One does know what he's doing.
He is condemning the Ukrainian people, and their country, to a slow death.
In return he gets the approval of Putin.
It's that simple.
One man's ego over a democratic nation of 41 million.
NEOBuckeye
(2,917 posts)Fuck that little KGB shit.
MadameButterfly
(3,746 posts)Somehow. Without them the world wouldn't have let him get away with everything he does. Demagogues use the blackmail of nuclear threat to get away with atrocities. And now we know that the US is not immune from such a demagogue.
Warpy
(114,389 posts)and he knows Putin is so nucking futz he won't accept anything but surrender.
Fatso's noy getting it because Congress is not going to allow him to get this one.
Sneederbunk
(17,259 posts)Takket
(23,481 posts)This is grounds for immediate removal from office.
I'm skeptical that Trump's make Ukraine surrender plan wasn't real.
— Nicholas Grossman (@nicholasgrossman.bsky.social) 2025-11-22T23:46:44.710Z
Trump envoy Witkoff negotiated it, details and threats to Ukraine were public for multiple days, and Rubio didn't dispute it then, only after the plan got a bad reception and rejected by Europe.
Look like attempting to save face.
The plan was leaked by the Russians and no one in Americaâs historically inept administration knew what anyone else was doing so people started getting behind it because they thought it was official policy.
— Mark Chadbourn (@chadbourn.bsky.social) 2025-11-22T23:15:03.423Z
Putin totally played the US, knowing full well he was up against incompetents and idiots.
OAITW r.2.0
(31,501 posts)USA, led by a stupid, criminal pResident, is leading a bunch of equally stupid people making/reacting to real-time world events. God help us.
Beartracks
(14,352 posts)Bread and Circuses
(1,570 posts)ToxMarz
(2,758 posts)No doubt the last paragraph of the 'peace plan' says "I, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, do hereby nominate Donald J. Trump for the Nobel Peace".
James48
(5,094 posts)Or himself. Nothing else matters.
Whatever Putin has on Donny is big.
Emrys
(8,930 posts)@marcorubio
The peace proposal was authored by the U.S.
It is offered as a strong framework for ongoing negotiations
It is based on input from the Russian side. But it is also based on previous and ongoing input from Ukraine.
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.
Maybe this was all a bad dream of somebody's,
SaydiTom
(93 posts)translate from Russian to English. I listened to a bunch of podcasts today. Can't remember where I heard that.
Emrys
(8,930 posts)not the whole document, but I think a few different people have had a go at it, including trying to use Grok etc., FWIW. That's assuming we're talking about the same version, of course, because there was word of at least two different ones going round.
I didn't post Rubio's tweet to shut anything down - it's more to show that the chaos is continuing, and somebody must be telling lies.
Amaryllis
(10,976 posts)But it is also based on previous and ongoing input from Ukraine.
Wiz Imp
(8,994 posts)We just happened to know that our Masters in Russia won't agree with any of the Ukraine input so we ignored it altogether...
ColoringFool
(255 posts)Ukraine. 😚"
OAITW r.2.0
(31,501 posts)czarjak
(13,437 posts)You can't make this crap up because they do it 4-U!
Nictuku
(4,566 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,963 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
Emrys
(8,930 posts)See my reply upthread.
JT45242
(3,832 posts)Mango Mussolini has been a Russian asset and money launderer for 4 decades.
Seriously, why would anyone be surprised by this.
whyzayker
(2,157 posts)masquerading as a peace deal.
SupportSanity
(1,571 posts)Russia has always been in play with Trump. One way or the other.
They may not be in the forefront of news right now, but they are still in play.
MissouriDem47
(395 posts)When you reach the conclusion that TACO is a Russian agent.
dlk
(13,114 posts)n/t
ZDU
(1,120 posts)Beowulf42
(316 posts)Nothing about Trump not knowing his has from a hole in the ground is news. He is uninformed and willfully ignorant because that is exactly what he is in the first place and deep down in the deepest pit of his hollow-ass soul. And we've got him for the next 3 1/4 years.
creeksneakers2
(7,932 posts)the Trump Russia investigation. But it looks more and more like there is a secret alliance.
live love laugh
(16,203 posts)Lovie777
(21,765 posts)or completely lose the USA support. WTF.
Meanwhile, the WH sent the USA military to invade a Mexican beach, only to be quelled and turn back by the Mexican Marines.
Building up in the Caribbean of full force USA military re: attacking Valenzuela.
Sending Musk to Greenland.
Threatening to jail and execute Democrats. Fucking up ACA subsides. Taking away from Department of Education degrees. i.e. nurses.
Screwed up the indictment of Comey. Indicting Democrats over property fraud.
The list goes on and on.
viva la
(4,495 posts)Then he said it wasn't.
He used to be thought of as intelligent.
vapor2
(3,772 posts)I think many minions are just doing their own fucking thing
iemanja
(57,394 posts)Skittles
(169,584 posts)Trump is Putin's puppet - it's not hard to figure out