..... someday they will all be standing in the "dock" at the International Criminal Court in The Hague

The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community.

The International Criminal Court in The Hague prosecutes those accused of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

Like blowing up "fishing" boats in international waters.

It gives me hope - and by the way usaf-vet, Thank You for your service.

since the U.S. is not a signatory to the ICC? I believe that curtails their justice on Americans who should be convicted of war crimes... especially Bush, Cheney, trump, miller, at alia...

Reports about Ice shooting a priest?

Getting clobbered.
Trump's a Presbyterian too, nominally.

Plain evil.

just to b clear.

If the cops are witnessing crimes taking place, they should intervene.

They don't have immunity, and Trump can't pardon them.

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snatch people off the street they should be arrested and charged with kidnapping and assault.

Police are not on our side. They will default to supporting authority.

If they were ordered by their local governments to do specific things to protect the residents of their cities and states, they might comply. But without that explicit direction, they will default to helping ICE regardless of legality or morality.

personnel to be in these roles.

After tRUMP is gone, every one of these thugs should be arrested and charged w/ crimes against humanity, against the American people.

And keep them locked up until their trial by jury. Lot of these ice agents were locked up
for Jan 6th crimes before dumpie let them all out of prison.

A lot of here on DU have already said that. Doing it for $$$$$$ of course

Might have been the whole point of pardoning them. Trump's private army of thugs.

I think we should deport ICE and keep the immigrants.

I reckon a bunch of newly hired losers with that $50,000 signing bonus are going to be partying hard after a tough day's work of head bashing.

Wouldn't be surprised if they are publicly drunk, if they are disorderly, if they like to start fights, if they troll for prostitutes, if they drive like they are above the law.

All of these actions violate State and Local law, and since they are off-duty, they have no legal defense.

Stake them out, monitor their behavior, call police and press charges when these goons act out.

Thousands of the ICE agents are not agents at all. So, start by arresting them.

CA showed an important step that should have been taken by now: a no-mask law -- that includes explicit penalties on violators -- should be passed by the IL legislature, if it isn't already on the books. The same should be done in every other blue state.

States cannot regulate how Federal agencies carry out their duties, and that includes what they wear while doing it.

-- Prohibits the use of ski masks and other coverings that conceal identity for federal and local law enforcement officials.
Who is included: Federal agents, such as ICE agents, and local police are covered.
Who is excluded: The ban does not apply to state police, which would exclude the California National Guard

Proponents of the California law said it is especially needed after the Supreme Court ruled last month that the Trump administration can resume its sweeping immigration operations in Los Angeles. The law aims to boost public trust in law enforcement and stop people from impersonating officers to commit crimes, supporters said.

Seems odd given that they report to him.

They are free to mask up. It's just everyone else that's prohibited.

But in that case, Newsom still wouldn't want that kind of 'incident,' since it probably would be reported to Trump/NOEM, who are just waiting for any pretext the felon could use to invoke the 'insurrection' act, and then dare the state to take him to court. So far, AG's Rob Bonta and Kwame Raoul have their hands full.

If they're free to mask up in this federal v state context, I still don't see that as a problem or even a potential one.

Regardless of what Newsom says - he would seem to be swimming upstream on the issue - given that there is relatively strong legal precedent saying that state and local authority cannot arrest (and/or prosecute?, nor proscribe action?) of federal agents/officers while engaged in official acts.

Though I wouldn't consider what Homeland's McLaughlin says on X as authoritative.

Only in there to show that the feds almost immediate reaction was - "Ha, ha, ha, ha .... We have absolutely NO intention ... "

This will obviously have to find its way into the court system.
(If, in fact, there is any effort made to enforce this rule upon federal agents. )

So....

If they don't... why should we abide anything from them?

that part?
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And from there, I suppose we could move on to the constitutional principle of federal law superseding state and local ...
Which is where most legal experts are hanging their hats.

But, other than that ... Why, nothing at all !

And, thanks in advance ...

To fix it is to just allow things to stay as they are, which will just make this all happen again. My solution is to let it collapse, which will remove those who are at the 'top' of the chain. Once they have no power, we can start with some regulations that will hopefully create a more equitable society for everyone, even those who do not feel that greed is a virtue.

This is my position on how to 'fix' what has happened to our society. Which is a decidedly unpopular position to have. But, I do not have the faith that some have in our judicial branch. I do not think that is what will save us. I do not have the faith in the societal model that we are currently under because it created this in the first place. I think that trying to retain it while throwing on another bandaid is just going to prolong what is going on, as well as allowing another Trump further down the road.

My solution is too radical. I am forced to accept that. I think it can be done, but no one cares about what I think. They just want my vote, or my back, or my legs, or whatever part of me that can be exploited to create a society that I find more and more repulsive each day. Unfortunately, I am a very poor choice for a radical leader. My health is beyond pitiful and I am not physically appealing (which is more than adequate for being listened to, doesn't matter if you actually know anything or not, looks can get you far in our society), so I cannot hope to interest anyone in what I have to say, nor implement any ideas I might have to try and change things anyway.

Besides, it is apparent to me that enough of us do not want things to change much at all. So, just keep doing what you all are doing. I won't be around much longer anyway. Maybe I got too excited at the prospect of finally seeing a situation that could lead to some real change in our society. But, I guess I was being too... deluded?

I recently read where someone said that they find it funny that some of us think that we are going to vote our way out of this. So do I.
But, I have been wrong before, and I have been right before. Only time will tell which one it will be.

Well said.
Start arresting the lawless, masked thugs acting like a brutish goon squad.

PS. Notice the ICE-related story the other day? Woman shot 5 times after an ice agent taunted her to "make a move, bitch."
This is America?! United States of?!!!!
Appalling.

Keeps happening there will be retaliation.

Who is going to arrest them?

I know if any of us put on fake badges and masks and started beating people, we would be arrested.

"any of us w/ fake badges ..."
means precisely squat.

If we can't justice, they shouldn't keep anonymity. Just sayin'.

These people have family members, they have neighbors, they have kids in school, etc. I'm not suggesting a "hit list" or anything of the sorts. Violence is not the answer to anything. But shaming them is another story. If they are so damn proud of what they do, why do they need to wear a mask?

Someone mentioned to me the other day that they have a son who is an ICE agent. She was embarrassed. This particular son is not involved in these raids - at least not yet. He serves in a different capacity. But if his own mother is embarrassed...

If they don’t fall out somewhere over the Atlantic.

What goes around, traitors.

so that bloated gobshite in the White House can't pardon them if they are convicted.

Getting convictions in states that still have qualified immunity for law enforcement will be a tall order, but at least their lives will be totally fouled up by legal expenses and court appearances in the short term and that alone might prove to be a disincentive to any misbehaving brethren who have escaped being charged....yet.

That might make them think before they act. The piece if shit in the white house has no authority to get them out of jail or pardon state charges either.

These fuckers are constantly blatantly violating the law. They should be arrested and charged.

This unconstitutional thuggery demands consequences!
Peace ☮️

a well-regulated militia resisting a Federal invasion of a State trampling the peoples' freedoms.

...a Portland cop threatens to arrest an ICE agent if he runs his car into protestors.

The Portland Police haven't exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to protests, and that started long before the 2020 BLM protests. Even the night before the Women's March in Jan. 2017, Portland PD pinned peaceful protestors up against the river at Waterfront Park and brought tear gas launchers onto the bridges. And of course, no one is ever going to forget "Tear Gas Tuesday" during the BLM Protests where cops blanketed the downtown with tear gas at 5pm on a workday! They were even tossing canisters into traffic when people were just trying to go home from work.

These are just a couple of examples. The point is, you know it's bad when a Portland cop has to talk down a federal ICE agent just to keep him from committing a terrorist attack on peaceful protestors.

ICE is Stephen MIller's Gestapo complete with quotas to meet. It's long overdue that they start facing consequences for their actions!

Most of the thugs sent out into the streets of blue cities aren't even government agents. They are just hired mercenaries who have no written authority whatsoever to be assaulting, kidnapping and shooting at civilians who are guilty of nothing. These goons should be arrested, booked and prosecuted for crimes committed, just like anyone else who can present no justification for violent crime."I vas chust following orders" hasn't cut it since the Nürnberg trials.

If they resist arrest, well, cops these days seem to know full well how to handle that. "Stop resisting" seems to be something they can shout in their sleep. If the contracted goons resist with weapons, local law enforcement should be prepared to respond in kind. Once the Sturmabteilung is allowed to take over, it will already be too late.

Not to mention Attempted Murder, Assault, False imprisonment, Kidnapping etc

This should have been done long ago.

More of a ruckus should have been raised when Trump goons were taking people into unmarked vans during protests during his last term. A lack of outrage then has led to ICE goons now.

I’m so damned sick and tired of the leadership refusing to act against criminal and/or unethical practices the right pulls off. Whether it’s to preserve norms, comity, “not to tear the country apart” or whatever, there should have been efforts made. Even if the chance of success was slim, things should have been done.

They are the source of this problem. And everything that's happening now is just bullshit theater for that damn network. Let's take it away from them!

Warrants, Warrants? We don't need no stinking warrants.
That just gets in the way of getting their bounty.

Arrest the American Gestapo.

Incarcerate the
Criminal
Element