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Putin Told Me No Country* Allows Mail-In Voting
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a poster to claim they are correct.
Fact-checking Trump’s claim the U.S. is the ‘only country’ that uses mail-in voting
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-the-u-s-is-the-only-country-that-uses-mail-in-voting
Data compiled by a Sweden-based organization that advocates for democracy globally found in an October 2024 report found that 34 countries or territories allow mail-in voting, which it refers to as “postal voting.” The International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance found that of the 34 countries or territories, 12 allow all voters to vote by mail and in 22 permit only some voters to vote this way. “Europe has the largest number of countries that make in-country postal voting available to all or some voters,” the report said.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-the-u-s-is-the-only-country-that-uses-mail-in-voting
Data compiled by a Sweden-based organization that advocates for democracy globally found in an October 2024 report found that 34 countries or territories allow mail-in voting, which it refers to as “postal voting.” The International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance found that of the 34 countries or territories, 12 allow all voters to vote by mail and in 22 permit only some voters to vote this way. “Europe has the largest number of countries that make in-country postal voting available to all or some voters,” the report said.
https://www.idea.int/data-tools/tools/special-voting-arrangements/postal-in-country
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From all that I can see, in the last election (the 2024 President election) there was early in-person voting, same day in-person voting, so called 'Mobile Voting Units' that went around (often with armed state police/soldiers) and a massively fraud-ridden online voting system. I have found no mention of postal voting/mail-in voting for Russians residing in Russia. There also was voting in Russian-held terriories in Ukraine, which is against international law.
2024 Russian presidential election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election
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Early voting opened on 26 February and lasted until 14 March to allow certain residents in remote areas in 37 federal subjects of Russia as well as in the regions of Ukraine that it annexed following its invasion in 2022 to vote. In the latter areas, a campaign called InformUIK was set up to encourage participation in the election, with its representatives going door-to-door escorted by armed men to compile voter lists and collect ballots from residences. A resident of Kherson Oblast described the elections in his area as a "comedy show", noting that households were being visited by "two locals – one holding a list of voters and the other a ballot box – and a military man with a machine gun".
Russian officials also used home visits by the mobile polling stations to monitor the population and find those participating in resistance activities or refusing to obtain Russian government documents. Reports also emerged of Russian-installed authorities coercing people to vote by withholding social benefits and healthcare treatment, while human rights activists said at least 27 Ukrainians were arrested for refusing to vote in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. Despite Russian electoral laws prohibiting those without Russian passports from voting, voters in occupied Ukraine were allowed to present any valid identification documents, including a Ukrainian passport or driving license. In Melitopol, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, soldiers armed with machine guns sealed off apartments being visited by mobile polling teams. In one instance, a man who fled his village near Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, to Ukrainian-controlled territory following the Russian invasion alleged that his name appeared in Russian-produced voter lists and was listed as having voted for Putin by election officials.
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On the regular election days, polls opened at 08:00 local time in Kamchatka Krai on 15 March and are expected to close at 20:00 local time in Kaliningrad Oblast on 17 March. Independent watchdogs were prevented from observing the conduct of the election, as only registered candidates and state-backed advisory bodies were allowed to send observers to polling stations. The independent election monitor Golos described the election as the "most vapid" since the 2000 election, noting that campaigning was "practically unnoticeable" and that authorities were "doing everything" to prevent people noticing that an election was taking place while state media provided less airtime to the election compared to 2018. It also described Putin's campaign as disguised by his activities as president, while his registered opponents were "demonstrably passive"
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Allegations of fraud
Statistical analyses
According to a Novaya Gazeta investigation using a method proposed by mathematician Sergey Shpilkin [ru], around 22 million of the non-online (polling booth) votes for Putin were falsified, out of 64.7 million non-online votes for Putin in total. Novaya Gazeta described the analysis showing "record levels of fraud even for a Russian presidential election". Meduza carried out statistical analyses on the official results released by the CEC. Based on scatter plots of the vote percentage for Putin compared to turnout, a tail in which voter turnout visually correlates to Putin support, which appeared weakly in earlier Russian presidential elections, was found by Meduza to completely dominate in 2024. "Churov's saw", a statistical effect interpreted as fraudulent in which sharp peaks at round numbers appear in voter turnout and percentage votes for Putin, was found by Meduza to have strengthened in the 2024 election, with Meduza arguing that the number of polling stations with likely fraud became the majority in 2024, while earlier the fraction of fraudulent polling stations had been a minority. Overall, Meduza stated that the 2024 presidential election "was almost certainly the most fraudulent" in "modern Russian history", and that the "sheer magnitude of fraud eclipses that of 2018".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election
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Early voting opened on 26 February and lasted until 14 March to allow certain residents in remote areas in 37 federal subjects of Russia as well as in the regions of Ukraine that it annexed following its invasion in 2022 to vote. In the latter areas, a campaign called InformUIK was set up to encourage participation in the election, with its representatives going door-to-door escorted by armed men to compile voter lists and collect ballots from residences. A resident of Kherson Oblast described the elections in his area as a "comedy show", noting that households were being visited by "two locals – one holding a list of voters and the other a ballot box – and a military man with a machine gun".
Russian officials also used home visits by the mobile polling stations to monitor the population and find those participating in resistance activities or refusing to obtain Russian government documents. Reports also emerged of Russian-installed authorities coercing people to vote by withholding social benefits and healthcare treatment, while human rights activists said at least 27 Ukrainians were arrested for refusing to vote in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. Despite Russian electoral laws prohibiting those without Russian passports from voting, voters in occupied Ukraine were allowed to present any valid identification documents, including a Ukrainian passport or driving license. In Melitopol, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, soldiers armed with machine guns sealed off apartments being visited by mobile polling teams. In one instance, a man who fled his village near Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, to Ukrainian-controlled territory following the Russian invasion alleged that his name appeared in Russian-produced voter lists and was listed as having voted for Putin by election officials.
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On the regular election days, polls opened at 08:00 local time in Kamchatka Krai on 15 March and are expected to close at 20:00 local time in Kaliningrad Oblast on 17 March. Independent watchdogs were prevented from observing the conduct of the election, as only registered candidates and state-backed advisory bodies were allowed to send observers to polling stations. The independent election monitor Golos described the election as the "most vapid" since the 2000 election, noting that campaigning was "practically unnoticeable" and that authorities were "doing everything" to prevent people noticing that an election was taking place while state media provided less airtime to the election compared to 2018. It also described Putin's campaign as disguised by his activities as president, while his registered opponents were "demonstrably passive"
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Allegations of fraud
Statistical analyses
According to a Novaya Gazeta investigation using a method proposed by mathematician Sergey Shpilkin [ru], around 22 million of the non-online (polling booth) votes for Putin were falsified, out of 64.7 million non-online votes for Putin in total. Novaya Gazeta described the analysis showing "record levels of fraud even for a Russian presidential election". Meduza carried out statistical analyses on the official results released by the CEC. Based on scatter plots of the vote percentage for Putin compared to turnout, a tail in which voter turnout visually correlates to Putin support, which appeared weakly in earlier Russian presidential elections, was found by Meduza to completely dominate in 2024. "Churov's saw", a statistical effect interpreted as fraudulent in which sharp peaks at round numbers appear in voter turnout and percentage votes for Putin, was found by Meduza to have strengthened in the 2024 election, with Meduza arguing that the number of polling stations with likely fraud became the majority in 2024, while earlier the fraction of fraudulent polling stations had been a minority. Overall, Meduza stated that the 2024 presidential election "was almost certainly the most fraudulent" in "modern Russian history", and that the "sheer magnitude of fraud eclipses that of 2018".
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At least 22 million fake votes cast for Putin in presidential election
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/03/19/at-least-22-million-fake-votes-cast-for-putin-in-presidential-election-en-news
In what represents record levels of fraud even for a Russian presidential election, at least 22 million votes cast for Russian President Vladimir Putin during last weekend’s election were fake, Novaya Europe can reveal. The fraud was so wide-ranging that it is virtually impossible to establish with any certainty the proportion of real votes.
Novaya Europe used a method devised by mathematician Sergey Shpilkin to estimate the share of “irregular” votes in the election, based on data for 97% of votes processed by the Central Election Commission (CEC), collected by Telegram channel Nevybory. The initial estimate put the number of fake votes at 31.6 million, but Moscow was later excluded from the analysis due to widespread online voting in the capital, a form of voting that makes it difficult to track turnout.
The 22 million fake vote estimate is a conservative one as it does not include online votes and voting in the occupied Ukrainian territories. The total number of voters, not including online voters, stood at 74.5 million. According to the CEC, 64.7 million of them voted for Putin. Shpilkin’s method reveals how many votes were added to the winner’s total either by stuffing ballot boxes or by rewriting the final tally. It compares the distribution of votes for different candidates with turnout at each individual polling station.
If the elections were fair, the distribution of votes for the leading candidate and all other candidates should be identical and should differ only in absolute value due to the different number of votes. However, stuffing ballot boxes for one of the candidates increases turnout and affects the proportion of votes going to each candidate. According to the official election results published by the CEC on Monday, the incumbent president secured 87.28% of the vote. CEC head Ella Pamfilova said that over 87.1 million Russians — 77.44% of the eligible electorate — had voted, a record turnout for a Russian presidential election in the modern era.
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Russia has mail-in voting according to Fiona Hill who is a Russia specialist.
It may be akin to here in the States where different regions have different regulations.
Let us know if you find additional info.
Happy Tuesday y'all!
Bev54 noted that Fiona Hill a Russia Specialist confirmed that Russia does indeed have mail-in voting.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding whom you're accusing of lying other than Trump?
Might you clarify?
I am sure they would have told him putler was lying to him (or to look it up on the Internet). 
But hey, putler told him so he doesn't see any reason why it would not be so... 
