But just saying.

If Bernie, AOC, and Hispanics aren't the Democratic base, then who is?

I'm not disagreeing with you, JustAnotherGen, it's a serious question that doesn't have a simple, quick answer. When the Democratic Party figures it out, we will develop a strong party identity. Success will flow from that.

Independent?

Are - and we are EXTREMELY Pragmatic.
After us - Black men.

92% in 2024
78% in 2024

Biden won the Primary because Black women in Blue States wait for Black Women in South Carolina to tell us what they need.

The Democratic Primaries are the only way that Black women and men are EVER heard in this country.

That's why its critical that South Carolina was moved up sooner rather than later. They are a perfect cross section of Black Americans . . . how they go, many of us go.

I'm also seeing many in the Latino community frustrated with the snickering of Black America.

They thought they were white supremacy adjacent and that Trump wasn't talking about them. This was a self-inflicted wound and we don't trust them.

This.

Joe would have beat the Orange Traitor's ass.

Due to the recent death of his son

During the Civil War, Lincoln's 11 year old son Willie died and yet he remained in office.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but after being VP for 8 years under Obama I think Biden would have beaten Trump in '16 and the history of the world would have been changed.

But I'm guessing that Biden's arm was also twisted to allow Hillary to run.

from her in 2016. I thought it was pretty clear what the score was in 2008 - the 2016 nomination was Hillary's (barring some unforeseen event) and the Vice Presidency was considered the capstone to Biden's distinguished career - nobody at the time thought he was going to be the 2016 nominee at age 74.

There should have been a fair, open primary.

Deer-in-the-headlights debate performance. None of this would have happened if Joe hadn't completely blown the debate.

People were already concerned about it before the debate. The debate just “confirmed” what they already thought.

Even if he hadn’t bombed in the debate, Joe Biden was facing an uphill battle for his reelection.

80 y/o is too old to run. I say that as a 75 year old.

Nonetheless, Joe would have stifled the question about his age and mental acuity if he would have been strong in the debate.

June debate in the first place. My guess is if Biden had managed to be adequate in the debate, Biden would have remained the nominee but the race would have - AT BEST - remained what it was before - sleepwalking towards defeat. It's clear Biden could not have done the kind of vigorous campaigning that would have been required - in the aftermath of the debate disaster, Biden was urged to do a number of UNSCRIPTED events - interviews, press conferences, etc. to attempt to show that the debate was an anomaly - and the fact that he didn't do it led to the inevitable conclusion: he couldn't do it (the campaign had no certainty at all that attempting to do it wouldn't cause more harm than good).

I was extremely apprehensive about the debate beforehand and did not want to watch it, but my partner insisted we watch it together. It didn't take long for my worst fears to be realized & when Biden stumbled over a reply to a question and finally said that "we beat Medicare" I'd had enough. Biden lost the election then and there, IMHO.

absolutely correct sir (or madame).

Worse than Trump's constant lies, inability to answer tough questions, word salad answers, obvious lack of any sense of morality? I still am baffled by anyone thinking Trump performed better than Biden.

Biden — and most debate watchers — were left with mouths agape by the unchallenged gish gallop vomited up by XC in that spectacle. Yapper and Bash acted like potted plants. THEY ambushed Biden and the nation by letting the LIES stand and a good man became political roadkill. Our country is suffering because of CNN’s despicable excuse for “journalism.”

It's baffling, to us, that anyone would vote for the median Republican rather than the median Democrat. But clearly millions do, and millions more see no preference between those medians. So to get those who are undecided, you need something positive, as well as the negative "look at the other guy".

Though I always said the Democrats should have repeated that Trump is a sexual assailant, according to a jury, a lot more. The morality aspect was not emphasized enough, when either Biden or Harris was our nominee.

Biden looking extremely confused, exhausted and beaten was a new thing.

Unity is essential to the election outcome. United we stand divided we fall. It’s that simple.

Jean-Pierre didn't provide any, and letters in support of Biden don't amount to proof that the signers voted outside the party.
This amounts to negative speculation and doubt talk.

On the one hand - white men to the Right (the majority) in particular have a very different view of who an American is and what people deserve based on that. IE acceptance of mediocrity, man whores, alcoholics, cheaters, beaters, rapists, etc etc - all of that doesn't matter because if the Candidate is a white male as long as they are mediocre - they will vote for him.

On the other hand - you have Black women like me? We've had to work to get five times as hard to get half as far as mediocre white men. We demand excellence, stellar conduct,

And now - the Democratic wants to make sure young white incels can get laid so they'll vote for Democrats. We have so-called election expert consultants who are epic failures who want to us to believe that Harris did not give tangible actual PRAGMATIC ways to move America forward.

Divisive? Ball is in the Consultant Class' court. I hear Joe Walsh is available.

It was obvious after the debate that his campaign was lost as much as we wished otherwise.

There was always the question that even if he won would he, at 82, be able to govern for 4 more years. This meant that we were electing Harris by default. Many were not ready for this.

It is time to move on.

Social media perceptions are not necessarily reflective of the real world.

Just sayin'

It was such a shameful moment for the Democratic party

been countless other shameful moments in the past 45+ years...........Some Major ones: the Gore 2000 election, the Kerrey 2004 election, the Hillary 2016 election, etc etc etc........

This nice shit has to stop across the board.

taking the "High Road" while the other side is fighting and using all out guerrilla warfare tactics for over 45+ years..isn't gonna cut it.

For over four decades, they have been walking down the jungle path swatting at mosquitoes, and were oblivious to the herd of charging elephants....pun intended.......

In my opinion, they have to find some great leader, get organized, and hit the deck running. I am in hopes it is not too late........

Their first stand should have been in 1980, when HWBush and his CABAL, corruptly and committing TREASON stole the election from Jimmy Carter.
They should have challenged the 2000 election being literally "thrown" by the USSC who had absolutely NO constitutional authority to intervene.
They should have challenged the 2004 election due to all the tampering with the EIS voting machines and Antiquated punch voting machines.
They should have challenged the 2016 election due to corrupt acts by the Republicans, voter registration tampering, gerrymandering, and Russian interference.
They should have challenged the 2024 election for all the same reasons as the 2016 election.......

I don't have a problem with that, but the vote is
rigged against them and the courts won't hellp
make it right.

When Blacks approach a certain power threshhold,
the power structure wants to start holding them back.

The only way to correct this problem is for Blacks to
gain more allies. They can't do it by themselves, sad
to say.

There is no savior-leader. Period. This requires mass
mobilization and mass action... and always did.

What do they think 2026 or 2028 candidate's need to do to gain their support or the support of people they know? Are you or people you know angry about Biden being pushed out? Would it have been different if Biden had made that decision in 2023?

I hope the party that spent a lot of money on how to talk to white, straight, non college educated men - a group we haven't won for decades will make an effort to understand the hurt and betrayal that the former press secretary feels. It seems likely it's not just her.

I'm still pissed Biden was pushed out.

And you are correct - it's not just her. Our grandmothers survived Jim Crow - mine the first 67 years of her life.

I can survive the maga Repubs. Intergenerational Trauma says I have the grit.

I'd say Dear Hogg and Sanders - By all means, go ahead and court the white male voter. While you are at it, court white supremacist women. Your 2026 Platform should be interesting.

I'll make a decision on whether or not to vote based on that.

ProTip- A rising tide has NEVER raised all Americans boats.

It doesn't matter what your feelings, pro or con, are on the situation. We are in an existential war with the fascist Republican party that we need to focus 100% of our attention on. Everything else is a distraction.

Wasting time finding fault is counter productive and literally life threatening.

we are fighting FASCISM and dropping out of the party is NOT helping

As thinking people, we Dems *should* be capable of listening to the voices, experiences, and feelings of our underrepresented sisters and brothers AND moving forward. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, so this degree of multitasking should be in our collective wheelhouse.

I imagined pure chaos and splits within the party if Biden had dropped out of the race so late in the game. To my surprise, that chaos I imagined did not happen.

I am also not happy with how some treated President Biden

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So tone deaf.

I thought we had a rule here about rehashing the last election, or does that just apply to primaries?

And if we don’t think about problems and try to forget them those problems will solve themselves and things will get back on track. It’s a tried and true strategy.

need to be discussed, debated, and explained before the next election, but……..

NONE of that will ever explain to me how SO many people can vote for a thieving, racist, misogynistic, duplicitous, ignorant, egotistical, ignorant, uninformed, selfish asshole like donOLD tRump instead of ANY well-intending public servant!

THAT is our #1 problem………….

by numerous psychiatrists..........who have stated that watching FOX news exclusively, and listening to RW Radio exclusively, very effectively and literally "brain washes" those individuals....(No different than North Korean Government dissenters being sent to a "Re-Education Camp&quot

Brainwashing works both ways. Someone who watches only MSNBC could be brainwashed into thinking that someone like Trump could never be able to win a general election.

Many were shocked when he beat Clinton.

There were 70+ million Trump Voters, obviously Adults.............The population of the U.S. is what? 330 Million.......so 70% of that would be what?..... 20%? And that is using the entire population base of 330M........ just using the adult population, it would be a much smaller base number if only adults, and a much higher %age of fox viewers?????? In Rural America, it would be 100%.....Watching Fox Exclusively, their radios, (cars, tractors,) set on a RW Radio Station with the likes of Rush Limbaugh captivating and mesmerizing them with every word he spewed....ALL of their broadcasts, usually loaded to the brim with logic and reason as topsy-turvy as that found in Alice In Wonderland.....

Outside of a number of nighttime hosts on MSNBC, the other 20 hours, are subtle, but definitely, Fox light. If things continue to go the way they are in the U.S. I think almost the entire media, will have to switch to entertainment, as Fox will become THE U.S. Government State News Media, much the same as the old PRAVDA in Russia.......

I know that the majority of my left wing friends and fellow citizens were frightened to the bottom of their souls, knowing realistically that Trump and the entire Republican Party would, by hook or by crook, corruptly win the 2024 election.

Looking at Fox News ratings which give the number of viewers, Fox has an audience that’s about 5% of all adults.

I’m Michigan, the vast majority of Trump voters live in the urban counties. About as many voters in Wayne County , metro Detroit, cast their ballots for Trump as did in all the Upper Peninsula and most of the northern half of the lower peninsula combined. Trump actually even won a few of or came very close to Biden’s or Harris’s vote in some of the other urban counties.

This would suggest that Fox and RW radio have a far greater effect in urban areas then they do in the lightly populated rural areas.

With what is coming out of Rockland County NY?

The math ain't mathing (Black vernacular).

I don't think he won.

following that!
(It may not be my city/county, but it is my State!)

And, like, 10% of me still wonders about 2024 bc of all of the Swing States going for drumphf. ???!

For one thing, he has terminal cancer. Losing one Democrat doesn't change reality.

My question, where is she going.

Harris did about as well as she possibly could with the terrible hand she was dealt. And Biden did her no favors by insisting she show no daylight between her policies and his.

And that's my opinion. No one is holding all the Aces here.

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We have to work together instead of against each other. Everyone should be heard and their viewpoint acknowledged. This is the greatest strength of the Democratic party. No one has to be in lockstep as the Republican party decrees for their party. There is room for dissent and disagreements, but we can still work together to achieve a common goal--to DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP! Our sisters and brothers in the Black Caucus have saved us time and time again. Their wisdom and quiet strength helped us win the first battle for Civil Rights. Now we must work together again or all their efforts for all of us will be gone. Don't let critics or MSM cause us to fracture among ourselves as the Republican party is doing. 2026 is just around the corner, and the Midterms are crucial. Let's pull together, not apart!

It does not solve anything, it only amplifies our flaws (nobody is perfect after all) and tarnishes our party's reputation. It does nothing to attract voters or support... it just plays into the BIG LIE (from Nader and others like him who say) that "all parties are the same" and "there's no difference between the parties". She's throwing gasoline on the sparks.

Include me in the group that is very disappointed in her and how she handled her own disappointment. It seems very selfish and self serving to me. Maybe she'll profit from it... who knows?

In 2020 we had "Blacks love Biden!" and yet at the same time "Have to have a black female on the ticket so that black people will vote for Biden." We thought that women were going to rise up and reclaim their reproductive freedom, which makes perfect sense to me but didn't pan out. We thought somehow magically the country would embrace a female presidential candidate in an era of bro-bonding. And worst of all the insistence that Biden was fine and healthy and ready to rumble in his 80's, which was total gaslighting. And if you dared question that here, you'd get your ass handed to you by loyalty-crazed DUers who loved Joe like a father.

Now that the party is in near-collapse at the top levels, and there's NO CLEAR LEADERSHIP, we can see the fantasies and falsehoods fall away and we are left to rebuild--HOPEFULLY with realistic people in charge. I for one would like it if the era of millennial-aged Karen-scolds (of all races, not just white women) dictating the agenda for the Democratic Party comes to an end. The bro-worship that's happening now is a direct reaction against them.

But its done. Women are often ignored. I'm not going to leave the party over it.

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