I know Donvict is an ignoramous, but even he could not seriously be exposing this vulgar crony capitalism in this way

We already know all of these deals and goings on. Call me when something real, damning and previously unknown comes out.

We know it is a bad bill, but Muck saying so loudly, so publicly, puts pressure on the Bill and it will be modified or will face a long process. That's a real consequence.

That said, MAGA is a cult and nothing will move them.

cat fight I never again want to hear women are too emotional to lead.

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Did you notice? Hot take conspiracy theories are too common, and popular.

The people throwing them out think they have some special insight. They do not.

Musk is literally tweeting that the bill is an abomination and that Trump’s tariffs are going to cause a recession in the next six months. If anything this is bringing significantly MORE attention to those issues, not distracting from them.

That’s why most of us are sitting back and enjoying this, because far from distracting from anything, it’s laying bare what a total disaster the current Republican Party is, how bad crony capitalism is, and why oligarchs shouldn’t be in charge of government.

That either of these guys would voluntarily agree to have the other saying this stuff about them so publicly.

Their egos wouldn't allow it.

This split is very real.

and limit the power of the working classes.

Musk convinced Silicon Valley billionaires to switch from Democrats to Magats and then Krasnov stabbed them in the back and took away their alternative energy government subsidies.

There had been a kind of truce going on between the fossil fuel industry and the alternative energy industry and then Krasnov picked a side.

Krasnov didn't just fuck over Tesla, he fucked over all of alternative energy companies, what will he do now?

Taco would not tolerate Musk taking credit for Taco's election. That would lay bare the fact that Taco is not the most popular president since the beginning of time. That's more than his ego could bear.

didn't even need to vote because he had that covered. THEY BRAGGED ABOUT CHEATING!

Or, as I think you are saying, Musk isn't telling us anything we don't already know and this is theater.

I don't think it is, but there's really no way to know with these idiots.

This is probably phase two to get independents away from Democrats. It will be non-stop lies about Democrats.
I think this is planned.

I mean, this is whiplash country trying to follow all the villains all the time.

whether or not there is actual bad blood between them doesn't matter.

..... is that the ill/uninformed general public thinks Musk is on the outs and DOGE is done.

Not so fast in conclusions,...

DOGE is alive and well - it just has a new mastermind running the show - being Peter Thiel and his subsidiary Palantir.

trDUMP has signed a substantial government contract for Palantir to pickup where DOGE left off. The mission is to consolidate personal and private information across all government data bases of all American citizens to be used as a surveillance tool/weapon.

Donald trDUMP and Peter Thiel want desperately to get their hands on the information knowing that on the open market those consolidated databases will be worth billions and billions of dollars. That information is the life blood of powerful and dangerous Artificial Intelligence surveillance systems.

The DOGE mission goes on, but now that it is under the watchful eye of Peter Thiel - DOGE will be pushed into the back ground in the hopes people will think the rampant collection of government databases to external hard drives has been shutdown and disbanded. It is alive and well and working like little beavers to steal that private and confidential information - but off the radar screen - so public concerns about DOGE will quickly subside, thinking with eLoon Musk out of the picture the mission of DOGE is now defunct.

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Dò not be fooled,... this rampant data mining of government databases is not just to assist federal agencies like ICE to better execute deportations. This Motherload database is to put all Americans under surveillance as a tool and a weapon to keep the citizenry in line and punish those not loyal to the Christo-Fascist MAGA government.
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The Trump administration has tapped Palantir — the notorious data-mining firm co-founded by billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel — to compile information on people in the United States for a “master database,” creating an easy way to cross-reference sensitive data from tax records, immigration records and more. Palantir also has a $30 million contract with ICE to provide almost real-time visibility into immigrants’ movements as the agency seeks to arrest 3,000 people a day. Wired reporter Makena Kelly says the company is “becoming an operation system for the entire government,” and describes how Palantir’s contracts with the Trump administration are an outgrowth of work done by Elon Musk’s DOGE which aims to “centralize data all across government.”

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/3/makena_kelly

This from 1 minute ago from WaPo "Live updates: President Donald Trump on Friday called Elon Musk “the man who has lost his mind” and told ABC News that he is “not particularly” interested in talking to him about their ongoing feud.

Musk is one world class bump away from revealing Trump as a pedo and spilling his guts on how the election was rigged.


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Of course they are hiding what is going on, overall, but egomaniacs like Trump and Musk were bound to end up here, it was just a matter of time. I'm surprised it took this long.

The real game is likely that Musk/Thiel/Vance/Putin/oligarchs want Trump out, because he's too much of an idiot to get their plans to work.

people are dying, and our democracy is suffering grievous harm.

I don't trust anything either one of these awful people does. Even if it's a public feud.

By the way, the every day Italian word for Doge is "Duce" and why that hasn't been picked up on is beyond me.

Watched Ari Melber last night for first time in a long time. tsf said Musk was basically fine with the budget bill until they pulled the electric vehicle tax credit. Both that and the tarriffs are further going to harm Tesla and in the case of the tarriffs his space industry too.

These two are children in mens clothing who throw tantrums when they don't get their way, especially when it involves money. Their egos collided and blew. Now comes the debris. Who knows it might blow over, but I don't think it's fake.

and calling for Trump's impeachment as well as calling Trump a pedo. Difficult to really undo the damage, even if they appear to make up-- trust would be gone.
Kabuki theater is a familiar goto for conspiracy theorists.

they can survive if they pass the bill, having Musk do creative theatre would take the onus off Trump's failure. Just thinking out loud. The drug thing doesn't fit that scenario, unless it was coming out anyway. In any case, I would be a fool to take anything at face value. Everything they do is theatre. When was the last time anyone could verify that Donald told the truth?

It makes sense to me to maintain a certain level of skepticism about any of these social media dustups. While I hope it's true, it may be real or it may not, and none of us actually know for sure. Until there are actual real-world consequences that wouldn't be happening if not for this bullshit, then it's basically meaningless distraction.

I will watch passively with about as much interest as I can muster up for a good sports article.