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Tommy Carcetti

(44,411 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:45 AM Jun 2025

The ultimately frustrating thing about the "Epstein Files"

A lot of people actually think there is some grand master list of people who collaborated with Epstein in his sex crimes. Like a guest book for his island or something like that.

That almost certainly does not exist.

The “files” presumably are the entirety of his investigative file. Epstein was a narcissist who loved cozying up to the rich and famous, regardless of how much any of those people may or may not have wanted or solicited that attention.

So his “world” was quite big. And there will be a lot of tentative “ties” to a lot of people simply by virtue of mere association.But being associated with him doesn’t imply guilt, and the fact that one’s name may have appeared at some point in the file doesn’t prove guilt either.

I’ve long said that the Epstein case is fool’s gold for scandal, and that it promises a lot but delivers very little.

That’s why I’ve never put much stock in it or given it too much attention, and I still don’t.

That said…

There is the chance that some of those names go beyond mere association. So I can’t say it’s completely meaningless.

And Trump’s “he likes them young” comment was…weird, at least.

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The ultimately frustrating thing about the "Epstein Files" (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Jun 2025 OP
But he also filmed EVERYTHING. So we can hope ... Scrivener7 Jun 2025 #1
extortionists, like epstein and trump, do not rely on "files" for their power rampartd Jun 2025 #2
He was blackmailing them through the hedge fund... JT45242 Jun 2025 #3
Releasing the Epstein files would destroy Krasnov. gab13by13 Jun 2025 #4
Along with hundreds of others k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #6
I've been saying the same thing for a while Johnny2X2X Jun 2025 #5
Epstein and the CIA are connected Ponietz Jun 2025 #7
I've read that he purposely kept a wide circle. Ursus Rex Jun 2025 #8
The frustrating thing about the Epstein files Jilly_in_VA Jun 2025 #9

Scrivener7

(58,399 posts)
1. But he also filmed EVERYTHING. So we can hope ...
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:54 AM
Jun 2025

But I think you're right. I don't think we'll ever see anything substantive. Anything that implicates taco, if it wasn't copied early, has probably been destroyed.

rampartd

(3,851 posts)
2. extortionists, like epstein and trump, do not rely on "files" for their power
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:54 AM
Jun 2025

epstein had videotapes, which would prove more than association.

trump's people had access to whatever evidence is there, so i remain skeptical

JT45242

(3,836 posts)
3. He was blackmailing them through the hedge fund...
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:17 AM
Jun 2025

He likely had hidden cameras in every room.

There are still photos. There are videos. There is money trail.

But it is not the first time that the rich and powerful have been able to keep their illegal sexual exploits hidden...see the mayflower madam and dozens of others.

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
4. Releasing the Epstein files would destroy Krasnov.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:20 AM
Jun 2025

Not all unwashed Magats are OK with Krasnov raping little girls. He was one of Epstein's top customers.

People forget about there being 2 little girls who Krasnov raped at Epstein's mansion where there was a witness/witnesses. One of the girls, Maria, just disappeared. The other girl got Gloria Alred as her lawyer and was taking Krasnov to court for raping her. She got so many death threats that she backed out. How the fuck can anyone vote for a monster who raped little girls?

Musk also may have inside information about how Epstein committed suicide, twice. Someone believed that Epstein was a danger to Krasnov.

Johnny2X2X

(23,693 posts)
5. I've been saying the same thing for a while
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:48 AM
Jun 2025

He wasn't running a brothel and the vast majority of the people who had any contact with him did nothing wrong and were probably totally unaware he was a sicko. He didn't need money, so it's not like this was a business. All the blackmail talk and film of it is just rumors at this point.

He basically was a sicko who kept teenaged girls around for sex. And he kept them around for some of his friends or associates like Trump and Alan Dershowitz. Not defending him at all, but pedophile isn't even the proper term in this case, Ephebophilia is, these weren't children, they were girls aged 14-19 he was taking advantage of. It's wrong, it's criminal, and it's sick, but it's a totally different crime than if he was doing this to 8 year old kids.

The idea all of the thousands of people who he had phone numbers for were involved is silly, ditto to the hundreds of people who flew on his plane. He gave Bill Clinton the use of his plane to do charity work, this wasn't some leisure flight for partying. Now there are credible accusations against some of his guests like Trump, Dershowitz, and Prince Andrew, those are different. Those are real accusations of rape and abuse, not vague references to some of the victims saying they saw Bill Clinton at a party.

The whole thing has taken on a life of its own across the internet, like it was some massive organization for depraved sex and thousands of rich and famous people are involved. Epstein was doing all this stuff in private, I'd bet you the vast majority of the people who knew him were shocked when the crimes came out.

Ponietz

(4,227 posts)
7. Epstein and the CIA are connected
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 08:41 AM
Jun 2025
https://nypost.com/2023/04/30/epsteins-newly-released-calendar-includes-planned-meets-with-cia-chief-college-head-and-former-white-house-counsel

Authorities, like Alex Acosta, the U.S. Attorney in Florida and Lump’s Secretary of Labor, knew this and didn’t stop him. Epstein was allowed to continue because he ran a rancid honey trap. Epstein kept video tapes.

But Mush will be taking on the CIA. My hot take conspiracy theory is that Mush will die from a “drug overdose”. Epstein didn’t commit suicide.

Ursus Rex

(474 posts)
8. I've read that he purposely kept a wide circle.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 09:07 AM
Jun 2025

That is, having Krasnov, et al, at the same parties as artists etc that were seeking patronage who likely had no idea about the actual activities the inner circle was enjoying. It's also like catnip to social climbers to hear of an elite party where there's all kinds of rumours about taboo things happening somewhere, and serves as excellent camoflage. That's been done since people started living in social circles.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,823 posts)
9. The frustrating thing about the Epstein files
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 10:26 AM
Jun 2025

(if they exist at all) is that Kash Patel probably has them and can destroy them at will...or on command.

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