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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe ultimately frustrating thing about the "Epstein Files"
A lot of people actually think there is some grand master list of people who collaborated with Epstein in his sex crimes. Like a guest book for his island or something like that.
That almost certainly does not exist.
The files presumably are the entirety of his investigative file. Epstein was a narcissist who loved cozying up to the rich and famous, regardless of how much any of those people may or may not have wanted or solicited that attention.
So his world was quite big. And there will be a lot of tentative ties to a lot of people simply by virtue of mere association.But being associated with him doesnt imply guilt, and the fact that ones name may have appeared at some point in the file doesnt prove guilt either.
Ive long said that the Epstein case is fools gold for scandal, and that it promises a lot but delivers very little.
Thats why Ive never put much stock in it or given it too much attention, and I still dont.
That said
There is the chance that some of those names go beyond mere association. So I cant say its completely meaningless.
And Trumps he likes them young comment was
weird, at least.
Scrivener7
(58,399 posts)But I think you're right. I don't think we'll ever see anything substantive. Anything that implicates taco, if it wasn't copied early, has probably been destroyed.
rampartd
(3,851 posts)epstein had videotapes, which would prove more than association.
trump's people had access to whatever evidence is there, so i remain skeptical
JT45242
(3,836 posts)He likely had hidden cameras in every room.
There are still photos. There are videos. There is money trail.
But it is not the first time that the rich and powerful have been able to keep their illegal sexual exploits hidden...see the mayflower madam and dozens of others.
gab13by13
(31,263 posts)Not all unwashed Magats are OK with Krasnov raping little girls. He was one of Epstein's top customers.
People forget about there being 2 little girls who Krasnov raped at Epstein's mansion where there was a witness/witnesses. One of the girls, Maria, just disappeared. The other girl got Gloria Alred as her lawyer and was taking Krasnov to court for raping her. She got so many death threats that she backed out. How the fuck can anyone vote for a monster who raped little girls?
Musk also may have inside information about how Epstein committed suicide, twice. Someone believed that Epstein was a danger to Krasnov.
k_buddy762
(638 posts)Hollywood and politicians.
Allegedly.
Johnny2X2X
(23,693 posts)He wasn't running a brothel and the vast majority of the people who had any contact with him did nothing wrong and were probably totally unaware he was a sicko. He didn't need money, so it's not like this was a business. All the blackmail talk and film of it is just rumors at this point.
He basically was a sicko who kept teenaged girls around for sex. And he kept them around for some of his friends or associates like Trump and Alan Dershowitz. Not defending him at all, but pedophile isn't even the proper term in this case, Ephebophilia is, these weren't children, they were girls aged 14-19 he was taking advantage of. It's wrong, it's criminal, and it's sick, but it's a totally different crime than if he was doing this to 8 year old kids.
The idea all of the thousands of people who he had phone numbers for were involved is silly, ditto to the hundreds of people who flew on his plane. He gave Bill Clinton the use of his plane to do charity work, this wasn't some leisure flight for partying. Now there are credible accusations against some of his guests like Trump, Dershowitz, and Prince Andrew, those are different. Those are real accusations of rape and abuse, not vague references to some of the victims saying they saw Bill Clinton at a party.
The whole thing has taken on a life of its own across the internet, like it was some massive organization for depraved sex and thousands of rich and famous people are involved. Epstein was doing all this stuff in private, I'd bet you the vast majority of the people who knew him were shocked when the crimes came out.
Ponietz
(4,227 posts)Authorities, like Alex Acosta, the U.S. Attorney in Florida and Lumps Secretary of Labor, knew this and didnt stop him. Epstein was allowed to continue because he ran a rancid honey trap. Epstein kept video tapes.
But Mush will be taking on the CIA. My hot take conspiracy theory is that Mush will die from a drug overdose. Epstein didnt commit suicide.
Ursus Rex
(474 posts)That is, having Krasnov, et al, at the same parties as artists etc that were seeking patronage who likely had no idea about the actual activities the inner circle was enjoying. It's also like catnip to social climbers to hear of an elite party where there's all kinds of rumours about taboo things happening somewhere, and serves as excellent camoflage. That's been done since people started living in social circles.
Jilly_in_VA
(13,823 posts)(if they exist at all) is that Kash Patel probably has them and can destroy them at will...or on command.