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EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:52 PM Jun 2025

Do you believe the fight is real?

Musk was always planning to leave after what, 100 days or so? Rump gives musk a gold key to Washington. Then, musk is out, and within 24-hours musk is meanmouthing trump's signature bill for tax cuts to the rich.

musk has to repair the damage done to Tesla, which apparently contributes a lot of money to his empire, although now, with all the new government contracts he got, that may become moot. I dunno. I don't think it is salvageable. But, he's going to try. He sure didn't anticipate the loss of Tesla.

I'll believe this when trump reneges on one of those billion dollar contracts that musk got. musk participated in DOGE until he eliminated all the detriment he had from the various departments he trashed. Also, probably got some real dirt, and some backdoor secret control, over all that stuff. Plus the contracts. So, he really, really profited from this association. trump will have to take away some contract to get even with this double dealing on musk's part.

Musk shows his true colors when he attends a presser and accepts that gold key, and then immediately denounces the bill. What a lowlife. But, he has to do something for Tesla. His first loyalty is to himself. So, don't believe whatever he says about "bankrupting the U.S." He doesn't care about that as long as he gets his cut. Which, as far as I can see, he already got. He already took food out of the mouths of other people's children.

I am not so sure that this isn't a ploy on both their parts. I don't follow musk, and most people won't let him rehab his own reputation by following his lead. He's a rat. But, trump uses such stuff to distract, he thrives on chaos and musk is still the richest man on the planet. He's still useful no matter what. So, I think this could be a setup.

It's not that I think that musk isn't capable of sticking a knife in trump's back. I just am not convinced that this is real.

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Do you believe the fight is real? (Original Post) EndlessWire Jun 2025 OP
Too expensive to be a phony wrestling match. C_U_L8R Jun 2025 #1
I heard Musk lost 18 billion dollars today Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #6
It's part of the broligarch's plan to install JD Vance Nevilledog Jun 2025 #26
Vance must be squirming in his seat C_U_L8R Jun 2025 #31
Squirming on the couch? n/t EndlessWire Jun 2025 #37
Ew. C_U_L8R Jun 2025 #42
Was thinking more like,... magicarpet Jun 2025 #52
That doesn't look like a "plan" to me MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #45
No offense, but seems you don't know who right wing influencers are, and Musk is supporting impeachment. Nevilledog Jun 2025 #47
Yes newdeal2 Jun 2025 #2
Oh absolutely. drray23 Jun 2025 #3
About 40% of FReak site thinks it is kabuki. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2025 #4
MAGAts want to believe that. It's a nightmare for them if it's real. highplainsdem Jun 2025 #9
👇 Nevilledog Jun 2025 #27
I don't see Mr. trump having the emotional discipline Torchlight Jun 2025 #5
Yes.... Happy Hoosier Jun 2025 #7
Yep. Musk saying he's the reason TACO Don won is probably a worse insult Wingus Dingus Jun 2025 #49
TSF did say in PA that he wouldn't Cha Jun 2025 #56
Yes, now I remember he did, never mind! Wingus Dingus Jun 2025 #57
Yes..they are going for tje jugular..Musk just mentioned age Demovictory9 Jun 2025 #8
Only real gets this nasty this fast. dem4decades Jun 2025 #10
I find it believable NoveltySocks Jun 2025 #11
I was sceptical until Musk mentioned Epstein muriel_volestrangler Jun 2025 #12
Yeah ITAL Jun 2025 #25
Yes, you could be right. EndlessWire Jun 2025 #38
...because he is MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #46
at first I thought it all staged... Javaman Jun 2025 #13
Elon Mosby Jun 2025 #14
yes G_j Jun 2025 #15
I didn't until the Epstein files tweet. CanonRay Jun 2025 #16
Do I care? Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #17
I hope each side kills the other. Neither man and his respective faction, MAGA or DOGE, is good for America. Efilroft Sul Jun 2025 #18
Those two narcissists? It was inevitable. tinrobot Jun 2025 #19
Interesting! H2O Man Jun 2025 #20
Remains to be seen FrankBooth Jun 2025 #21
In this crazy world, appareances aren't deceiving. They're frickin EVERYTHING. usonian Jun 2025 #22
I love the smell of GOP political implosions in the morning! Xolodno Jun 2025 #23
Oh yeah it's totally a ploy. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #24
Who did nazi this coming from the start? Midnight Writer Jun 2025 #28
If it was fake you wouldnt see the partied with a pedophile tweets. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #29
Yes. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2025 #30
If Musk hadn't mentioned trump being in Epstein's tapes choie Jun 2025 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author DUMember24 Jun 2025 #33
Well, does musk know if they EndlessWire Jun 2025 #39
I want Musk to be told that there's no way he could have hamsterjill Jun 2025 #34
Oh! Yes, I do! EndlessWire Jun 2025 #40
Jury's still out B.See Jun 2025 #35
If we're under 30,000 job growth and over 5% unemployment tomorrow, it's not real Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #36
Not buying a Tesla, real or not. Not sure how it helps Trump, he's way beyond rehabilitation. RoeVWade Jun 2025 #41
Yes... nt Raine Jun 2025 #43
It's plausible - they're sociopaths, with the social skills of 5th-graders and the attention spans of gnats . . . hatrack Jun 2025 #44
Most toddlers i know have better social skills. mwmisses4289 Jun 2025 #55
Not a chance n/t Polybius Jun 2025 #48
I do believe ForgedCrank Jun 2025 #50
Trump's demeanor at his Press Conference today is all I needed to know it's real crimycarny Jun 2025 #51
Nope. Iggo Jun 2025 #53
It was foretold. LuckyLib Jun 2025 #54
Yes. As Predictable RobinA Jun 2025 #58

C_U_L8R

(48,880 posts)
31. Vance must be squirming in his seat
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jun 2025

Probably has Hail to the Chief playing on a loop via Spotify as he prances around his apartment with extra mascara.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,189 posts)
45. That doesn't look like a "plan" to me
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:07 PM
Jun 2025

It looks like a one word response to some no name rando bullshit on twitter.

Nevilledog

(54,712 posts)
47. No offense, but seems you don't know who right wing influencers are, and Musk is supporting impeachment.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:42 PM
Jun 2025

newdeal2

(4,782 posts)
2. Yes
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:55 PM
Jun 2025

They each have their motivations for what they're doing. But that doesn't mean it's coordinated.

drray23

(8,584 posts)
3. Oh absolutely.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:56 PM
Jun 2025

We have enough past examples to refer to. Anybody Trump allies with eventually ends up tossed away and screwed over. Not exactly a new pattern.
In this case, it was a sure thing it would happen quickly. I am surprised they lasted that long. Both ashore megalomaniacs with egos the size of a planet. They were bound to clash.

Happy Hoosier

(9,404 posts)
7. Yes....
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:59 PM
Jun 2025

Neither one of these guys could take the slap to their ego of faking this kind of mudslinging.

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
49. Yep. Musk saying he's the reason TACO Don won is probably a worse insult
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:21 PM
Jun 2025

than the Epstein accusation. No way his ego could take that.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
8. Yes..they are going for tje jugular..Musk just mentioned age
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:00 PM
Jun 2025

That he has 40 more years left..to live basically.


Burn!!!!!!

NoveltySocks

(415 posts)
11. I find it believable
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:09 PM
Jun 2025

Relations between two malignant narcissists like this are unlikely to stay cordial for long, and both can't help themselves when it comes to impulsive social media posting. I also don't think they're capable of being this coordinated, tbh. Their handlers might be, but neither of these assholes seems to listen to their handlers.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
38. Yes, you could be right.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 08:05 PM
Jun 2025

Trump has a lot to protect in that regard. But, it is not new speculation. If he's not in there, he should immediately release the papers, flight logs, etc.

(But, he won't.)

Javaman

(65,115 posts)
13. at first I thought it all staged...
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jun 2025

not anymore.

now it's a battle of wills. who's ego will win out?

trump will burn it all down before he admits defeat.

and the empty husk will take all his blocks and go home.

this won't end well, for we the people. those to idiots will be fine, they will still be rich.

Efilroft Sul

(4,315 posts)
18. I hope each side kills the other. Neither man and his respective faction, MAGA or DOGE, is good for America.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:38 PM
Jun 2025

I'm here for their mutually assured destruction, and it's about goddamned time.

H2O Man

(78,634 posts)
20. Interesting!
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jun 2025

Recommended.

We will find out. It would, of course, come as a shock, since the felon always parts ways on a good note. We can only hope it doesn't turn into another Burr-Hamilton duel type of thing that destroys both.

FrankBooth

(1,846 posts)
21. Remains to be seen
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:59 PM
Jun 2025

I'll believe it's "real" when there are actual real-world consequences meted out to one or both of them. IMO, the Epstein tweet is pretty meaningless unless backed up with something the public has never seen before - that Epstein/Trump photo is ubiquitous on the internet, and it's common knowledge they were pals, if not besties. If Elon drops previously unknown Epstein/Trump evidence or Trump goes hard after Elon's contracts or something else, then maybe I'll believe. Until then, this is all likely to be forgotten in a month, and the only remnant remaining will be the false public memory that 'Trump and Elon fell out, don't you remember?' That is a perfect result for Elon (although wont' be enough to save Tesla). Not sure what Donald gets out of it, but it's conceivable that he has his reasons, and it's not like the toxic Elon is helping him much at the moment.

Both have plenty of experience manipulating public messaging to their advantage. Both have been ridiculed and mocked mercilessly on the internet for years, so they can surely take a couple of toothless barbs thrown their way. Sure, it's been kind of fun to watch in the same way celeb gossip can be fun to watch, but I want to see one of them actually suffer something consequential as a result before I'll really give a shit about this.

usonian

(23,564 posts)
22. In this crazy world, appareances aren't deceiving. They're frickin EVERYTHING.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:01 PM
Jun 2025

Malice in the palace is fine.

Trump is breaking with tech, the damage done and the fall guy slugged.
Musk is breaking with the Troglodytes.

They were always uncomfortable with "TEK" and people with "DET CALCULATERS"

Xolodno

(7,314 posts)
23. I love the smell of GOP political implosions in the morning!
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:14 PM
Jun 2025

Michael Cohen said their bromance wouldn't last much longer than a year recently. Musk took a hit financially and the only way he may save Tesla is either step down or sell it. That has to hurt his ego.

choie

(6,626 posts)
32. If Musk hadn't mentioned trump being in Epstein's tapes
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jun 2025

I would've said this is bullshit. But I can't imagine trump agreeing to that.

Response to EndlessWire (Original post)

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
39. Well, does musk know if they
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 08:14 PM
Jun 2025

cheated on the election? Because, that would be the main thing most of us would like to know. If musk has proof, he could get immunity and topple the trump regime. That might take away Vance, too--we'd end up with Johnson. Weird stuff.

hamsterjill

(17,020 posts)
34. I want Musk to be told that there's no way he could have
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:53 PM
Jun 2025

Tampered with the election. That he’s not smart enough to have been able to do it.

See where I’m going here?

Prairie Gates

(7,200 posts)
36. If we're under 30,000 job growth and over 5% unemployment tomorrow, it's not real
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:59 PM
Jun 2025

Otherwise, it's real.

RoeVWade

(826 posts)
41. Not buying a Tesla, real or not. Not sure how it helps Trump, he's way beyond rehabilitation.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 08:27 PM
Jun 2025

nt*

hatrack

(64,256 posts)
44. It's plausible - they're sociopaths, with the social skills of 5th-graders and the attention spans of gnats . . .
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 08:49 PM
Jun 2025

If there's a "master plan" well-hidden somewhere behind this, they sure as shit didn't create it.

mwmisses4289

(3,238 posts)
55. Most toddlers i know have better social skills.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 11:29 PM
Jun 2025

And the gnats are requesting that we humans please quit insulting them by comparing T&E to them. 😄

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
50. I do believe
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:22 PM
Jun 2025

it is real. Everyone expected this from the beginning. Trump simply cannot share attention, and Musk bled off a lot of that over the past few months. Along with his government subsidies getting stripped, his head got too big and Trump felt the power tug at him. What is happening was as predictable as the sunrise.

crimycarny

(2,003 posts)
51. Trump's demeanor at his Press Conference today is all I needed to know it's real
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:31 PM
Jun 2025

Trump looked like a deer in the headlights and didn't take any questions after. He looked very preoccupied and, in fact, scared.

It doesn't seem real to rational people as it's not how you'd expect two normal adult males to react, but it's exactly how you'd expect two raging narcissists to act.

Iggo

(49,654 posts)
53. Nope.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:39 PM
Jun 2025

I believe somebody had to get his drug habit off of the front page.

Not that Orange Boy is in on it. I just think Elon is so doped up that he sees no other way out of this than to play his Epstein card. So I guess I think the fight is half real…lol.

LuckyLib

(7,044 posts)
54. It was foretold.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 11:27 PM
Jun 2025

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RobinA

(10,471 posts)
58. Yes. As Predictable
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 11:02 AM
Jun 2025

as the sun rising in the east every morning. Not saying they won't be friends again, but that won't last either. Frankly, I always thought the relationship was a bit of a momentary convenience. Neither ne of them has the skills for a two-person act.

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