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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMusk's just fucking carpet bombing Twitter. It's gonna be counter-productive for me to do a blow-by- blow.
He's really just calling Trump's bluff on the threat to terminate his grants and contracts. I don't believe he's taunted him with "TACO" yet, even thought the Epstein tweets are multiplying rapidly.
If Trump DOES TAKE ACTION against Musk and hurts him financially, Musk WILL retaliate. It's just a matter of how effectively.
Maeve
(43,337 posts)Ray Bruns
(5,985 posts)
COL Mustard
(7,996 posts)Just made my blood pressure go up looking at it!!!
BumRushDaShow
(165,891 posts)
Maeve
(43,337 posts)BumRushDaShow
(165,891 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)We'll all be incredibly rich!
We the people pay the tariffs.
For many years the Repudiates have been trying to get rid of the income tax and shift to the sales tax, which is more of a burden to poor people since we pay a larger percentage of our available income to sales tax.
Finally, they found out we were wise to that trick, so tariffs are replacing that CON.
FRUMPIES DREAM was to replace the income tax with the tariffs to achieve the same outcome as the sales tax scheme. Hopefully, people are wise to that. Sales tax=tariffs=sales tax.
dchill
(42,660 posts)mobeau69
(12,218 posts)C_U_L8R
(48,896 posts)No sense in keeping score... just enjoy the chaotic self-implosion.
Pachamama
(17,540 posts)Elon needs to continue to get high and spill more info on X!!
He also should list 5 things no one knows he did to help Trump win!
Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)And what Trump wants more than anything else is a reaction, which he's getting, so every time Musk responds, Trump will throw something back at him. Ka-BOOM.
SheltieLover
(76,919 posts)No offense intended to Nature's beautiful creations.
FarPoint
(14,560 posts)I'll feel more confident when this fight drama escalates and is all over all media.... otherwise...it's still just biting me at the moment.
Attilatheblond
(8,319 posts)But then, I often give people more credit for intelligence than a lot of them deserve.
niyad
(129,649 posts)wonders about distractions is an idiot, because nothing could POSSIBLY be going on behind the scenes, that we know everything. Sadly, I was not given the gift of omniscience.
stollen
(1,046 posts)and not by a 3 y.o. It would have happened in one of Trump's meetings.
Musk is out for his own revenge. If anything else happens to Musk, he will have already prepared to make his Epstein evidence public to every media outlet asap. Trump has to know that.
TommyT139
(2,150 posts).. and a stumble.
orangecrush
(28,530 posts)EarlG
(23,390 posts)Surely most of his wealth is tied up in Tesla and SpaceX shares. If those companies tank, he loses a massive chunk of his fortune. He'll still have his propaganda platform, but without his vast fortune he will be far less powerful.
On the other hand, that propaganda platform does have massive reach. How hard will it be for Musk to convince Republicans to ditch Trump and replace him with Vance?
I genuinely don't know who's going to win this battle of the narcissists!
MayReasonRule
(4,015 posts)vapor2
(3,795 posts)brakester
(530 posts)Then we have to get rid of Vance and THEN Mike Johnson!!!!!!!
But at least there would be movement. I think jimmy david bowman would be an easy mark.
mikey johnson I don't know about. We NEED to take the House in '26!!!!
Renew Deal
(84,709 posts)Vance is Trump without the humor.. Vance is mean and dumb. Hes a different type of conman from Trump. For Trump, its all about him. For Vance, its about the latest scheme.
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)It is all smoke and mirrors
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uponit7771
(93,491 posts)Ping Tung
(4,144 posts)BeerBarrelPolka
(2,173 posts)It rides on what level of provable dirt Musk has on Trump et al, and if he has the guts to release it. It's quite possible that Musk can make the whole house of cards implode by targeting a whole host of interlocking people in this mess. This has to go quite deep I would imagine.
BComplex
(9,750 posts)they did. Elon needs to go states witness against a stolen election. That would be perfect!
BeerBarrelPolka
(2,173 posts)Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)...is to "hit them back 10 times harder" in order to teach them a lesson. So, right now, Elon's calling Trump a pedophile and sending multiple "Trump was Jeffie's Best Bud" tweets out to his echo chamber of 220 million followers.
I don't know how feasible it would be for Trump to just shut Musk down, but I'd think yes...between plummeting sales and Trump pulling the rug out from under him, he'd be toast.
SheltieLover
(76,919 posts)Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)...so he also will know how to push Trump over the edge into full-blown rage and insanity.
There are only two reasons why this would not happen.
1). Musk knows how far he can push him and decides not to land that one last "body blow," OR...
2). Trump's goons stage an intervention, take his phone away, and have someone watch him 24/7.
I see the success rate of option 2 being somewhere around "0."
SheltieLover
(76,919 posts)Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)...whether Trump gets to the point of feeling he's being damaged, and decides to stop it, abruptly.
Realize the Epstein accusations are nothing new, and Trump doesn't care, just as he raped E Jean Carroll, and doesn't care about that.
Musk would have to have the actual "Epstein Files" in his possession, and he'd have to release them, unredacted, or Musk's entire line of attack will become a nothingburger, period.
We've been doing this dance for a decade, all the way back to the Access Hollywood tape. For reasons unknown, he gets a free pass in that area of his life, even if some of the events involved pre-teen girls. And Bondi is NOT sitting on that report because there's nothing in it.
SheltieLover
(76,919 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,319 posts)Maybe some ICE (or pardoned J-6 cos players) will snatch the drug toting fool and send him to.... I dunno, one of those penguin only islands off Antarctica?
EdmondDantes_
(1,393 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(13,823 posts)he has the "10 times harder" any more.
Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)...and if he DOES have the ability to shut down Musk's government money, that would do the trick.
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)Not to me.
slightlv
(7,438 posts)he goes back to SA before he's all out of his company's money!
Bev54
(13,208 posts)brakester
(530 posts)until his emerald mine plays out.
But I would LOVE to see him lose all of his govt contracts!!!
JI7
(93,234 posts)maybe he might over the non maga types.
But they have already been blaming Musk for Trump's failures. Trump's cult following isn't going anywhere.
ProfessorGAC
(75,861 posts)Tesla shares are only around 25% of Melon's total. (13% of $840 billion or about $109 billion.)
Of course, his net worth includes $44 billion for Twitter, when it was worth about 20% of that. So, there's one inflation point.
SpaceX is a different matter. It's market cap is over $400 billion & he owns 42%. So, $168 billion.
So, we're at $322 billion, out of around $420 billion.
If those tank there is still potentially $100 billion left over. Not exactly GoFundMe time.
Of course, I can't attest to how fragile the other $100 billion is.
If Tesla & SX tank, it could take other investments with it.
Blue Owl
(58,181 posts)paleotn
(21,599 posts)As inevitable as death and taxes.
MayReasonRule
(4,015 posts)Wow: Musk calls for Trump to be impeached
— MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 2025-06-05T20:18:02.033Z
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)Does he cite a violation, a specific statute and incident? Or is it just a general, "Why they oughtta"?
Wednesdays
(21,615 posts)They find a target, make up some accusations against the target, then go looking for "evidence" to support the accusations.
malaise
(292,920 posts)and the tools shouting overdose
BeerBarrelPolka
(2,173 posts)Disaffected
(6,168 posts)Seems like a hammer Rump could wield over him.
Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)He came here on a student visa and dropped the class when he arrived. Claimed he had an "arrangement." I think he just got away with it. I don't think the government makes "arrangements" with immigrants who default on their student agreements.
Disaffected
(6,168 posts)OTOH, we might be better off with him here and chewing away at Rump.
Whatever the outcome, this Trump presidency (& person) is a shit-show for the ages.
spanone
(141,042 posts)
😂😂😂
Melon
(1,103 posts)Link to tweet
?s=46&t=Ed-0S1KW28f-T2V7fFLv2Q
Im on board with Elon here. Trump is growing our debt which is sinking our country. So Trump lashes out on Musk but Musk does not care!
Cirsium
(3,384 posts)Government is not a business. "Our debt is sinking our country" is a right wing talking point. The right wingers are the ones sinking our country.
Melon
(1,103 posts)They are growing our debt. Its common sense. And fundamentals of business apply. Creating a debt spiral of ever increasing debt payments has to end somewhere, and its not good, for any party. I will support any democrat over all else that pays down our debt. My childrens future is whats important to me.
Cirsium
(3,384 posts)The debt being a threat to your childrens future is exactly the right wing talking point, and it has been for a long time. The "fundamentals of business" do not apply. It ends when the wealthy are taxed. The Republicans say it ends when the government stops providing services. Pick one.
Melon
(1,103 posts)Its not sustainable in my opinion either. You cant just tax your way out of overspending. Whats the next lever? I believe that the budget needs to be balanced. You have to balance the spending with the income, which means some spending needs to be cut until the debt level is lowered. With lowered interest payments, more money can go towards services. Im not republican. My circle is not either and have the same beliefs. Clinton had a balanced budget.
Cirsium
(3,384 posts)Problem solved.
Here you are saying spending needs to be cut.
Clinton sold out to the Republicans.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Oh and some food for thought as they ponder this question: Trump has 3.5 years left as President, but I will be around for 40+ years
niyad
(129,649 posts)one of you has much time left. And also, depends on whether your usefulness to putler continues.
Nittersing
(8,121 posts)Remember... watch what they do, not what they say.
Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)As a kid, I got into TV wrestling for a while. This was in the pre-Cable, pre-Internet age, 3 main channels (ABC, NBC, CBS)...and the "UHF" channels like local broadcasters. THAT'S where you'd find the goofy / sleazy / oddball stuff, like wrestling with legends like "Professor Toro Tanaka." After I found out that a lot of it was theater, I lost interest. And because Trump is a fan of that kind of thing, sure...stranger things have happened than the two of them saying "LET'S STAGE A FEUD AS A DISTRACTION."
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)He was all up in the pro-wrestling world. Look at his Secretary of Education.
Prairie_Seagull
(4,599 posts)Rather in this case or not.
Further, I would not want to be a white South Afrikaner awaiting immigration into this country just now.
questionseverything
(11,585 posts)Musk started his rant saying how *rump would of never won w/o him
Saying repubs wouldnt have the house 🏡 and very specifically their would only be 51 Repub senators
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)Musk's broad statement is fashioned to mean different things to different people. If you're prone to conspiracies, then it means he manipulated tabulations. If you're not, it can mean he is referencing his $200 million spent and his strategic advice on shaping messaging.
As far as being smoke to a fire, not really.
questionseverything
(11,585 posts)So if I am prone to conspiracy theories and a billionaire says, the president wouldnt of won w/o me and we wouldnt have the house and
We would only have 51 senate seats not the 54 we have now
That is weirdly specific and since I know there are 4 states that have an odd vote proportion from pres race to senate race
So yes I believe him
But all we have to do is hand count those ballots and we would know
I find it hysterical that people would rather lose our democracy to *rump instead of hand counting the ballots because they need proof of bad actions before they can look for proof of bad actions
BComplex
(9,750 posts)Response to Nittersing (Reply #20)
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paleotn
(21,599 posts)Hed never willingly allow that. Hes not that intelligent.
niyad
(129,649 posts)Autumn
(48,763 posts)I think this shit is real. Sit back and enjoy the show.
brakester
(530 posts)Those two in a cat fight are totally distracted from their evil aims.
Time to turn up the heat!!
Skittles
(169,643 posts)no INDEED
stollen
(1,046 posts)Since we know WH meetings involve physical contact, is that how Musk got a black eye?
Quakerfriend
(5,882 posts)that F45 is no longer of use to Putin.
Putin put F45 in office so that he would give up Ukraine- F45 is failing him on this.
So, I believe that Pootie is working with Musk to get F45 out & JD in ASAP.
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)This rift allows the GOP to rally around their party leader and embrace the Big Beastly Bill in support against that drug-addled Musk who they saw as a drag on the administration's public opinion numbers anyway.
For Musk, it allows him to say he is separated from Trump and politics in hopes that it renews Teslas value.
Musk said nothing today that lands Trump in hot water. Trumps statements on Musk arent nearly as vociferous as those he usually unleashes on his targets.
CanonRay
(15,955 posts)stollen
(1,046 posts)The sane world wants Musk to win.
J-9
(116 posts)Nazi vs Pedo
Both are losers
stollen
(1,046 posts)But if Musk has a big enough crowbar to knock Trump out of the WH, I'm in favor. It would be a matter of whether there are yet enough House repubs willing to impeach, and then we'll see how McConnell votes a second time around. Repubs refusing to impeach will get "clocked" in the next election.
two 4-year olds.
angrycaveman
(22 posts)At the end of day, Putin did conquered Russia's Oligarchy.
SunSeeker
(57,592 posts)Elon will flame out, but hopefully not before he does a lot of damage to Trump politically.
stollen
(1,046 posts)He's likely got his Trump/Epstein evidence booby-trapped for the media no matter what.
4th
(453 posts)... he was going to be the power behind the throne.
Nope.
Miles Archer
(21,822 posts)I don't know how many "news aggregate" sites like Raw Story, Daily Beast, etc that you follow, but all of them have had an increase in the "Don't believe the stories about Musk leaving" headlines.
I didn't believe he "left" anything. I believed he took a lower profile in the media because whether he liked it or not, he realized he couldn't get away with the "In the headlines 7 days a week" thing that Trump did. People don't like him. He sort of admitted it AND made excuses for it all at the same time.
But yeah...being THAT CLOSE to the presidency, being able to manipulate him and influence him...that's a filled crack pipe for a power addict like Musk.
Justice matters.
(9,417 posts)And all the stupid magats will know it soon (as well as the rest of us who knew it long before 2016).
Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)To further their corrupt agendas.
Musk isnt a complete moron like the piece of shit but he also isnt some genius.
I hate you if you voted for that piece of shit😡😡😡
OldBaldy1701E
(10,225 posts)Running their demented mouths?
They can certainly do that!
Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)Torchlight
(6,321 posts)Either he has follow-through on this, and sees the releases of sensitive information, or he's going to be limned with 'nothing but bluff & bluster' forever more. He's got to know this.
On the other hand, playing this hand this early is not a rational play imo. This is the option you keep in your pocket and never even glance at it until there's no other p[lay left.
So I don't get it. None of 'em have the emotional discipline to play this as a con, and Mr. trump's tantrums have tells, and today's tantrums are tellin' us he's mad as a hatter.
usonian
(23,608 posts)I would hire neither of them to be my latex salesman.
stollen
(1,046 posts)He's got to figure Musk has the goods. I hope it includes the pee tape as well. Maybe Putin shared over a shot of vodka one night.
NH Ethylene
(31,294 posts)Trump's in office and has the power. His people won't turn on him for any of these exposes.
stollen
(1,046 posts)if she saw Trump, prostitutes and yellow rain on a bed not to mention Trump having sex with girls.
NH Ethylene
(31,294 posts)Heard about how he could grab them by the pussy anytime he wants? Made a habit of barging into the pageant dressing rooms so he could get a good look at some naked girls?
She and others accepted all that and much more; I'm betting the Epstein revelations and others would just cause them to clasp their blinders on a little tighter.
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)Maybe a spitball.
Karasu
(2,003 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 5, 2025, 07:36 PM - Edit history (2)
https://thehill.com/homenews/5335724-trump-bannon-immigration-musk/SunSeeker
(57,592 posts)Karasu
(2,003 posts)erronis
(22,692 posts)SomedayKindaLove
(1,175 posts)Of bat shit crazy, although Im sure they will have joint custody.
OverBurn
(1,289 posts)speak easy
(12,595 posts)Trump can't win a social media war.
live love laugh
(16,204 posts)ananda
(34,454 posts)He can really hurt Trump and the Republicans if the DOGE
guys control the agencies and accounts.
If not, I'd expect it to be more full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.
brakester
(530 posts)will throw eloonie's pimple posse out of our government!!!!
I can't sleep at night until I know they are history.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,225 posts)
Wake me when one of them actually does damage to the other.
GiqueCee
(3,425 posts)... this whole thing is like two tarantulas in a bowl. Let's hope they kill each other.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)I'm actually, literally, eating popcorn right now.
highplainsdem
(60,090 posts)of one where Musk said Trump's tariffs will cause a recession later this year. Really hasn't been anything very interesting from him since this one, at 4:11 Eastern time...and as far as I know, Trump has not responded to Musk wanting him impeached and replaced by Vance. And the last time I checked, Vance wasn't saying anything.
Link to tweet
Justice Brandeis
(405 posts)Stalin was against Hitler, but the Soviet dictator was still an asshole.
Still, only Musk has the ability to go toe-to-toe with Trump on social media.
Sneederbunk
(17,268 posts)Little hands with little fingers on overdrive.
BidenRocks
(2,788 posts)who will laugh at and mock chump.
Call him a doofus when he does his jerk off dance.
Call out his lies! YOU LIE! Repeatedly!
Talk back and gish gallop him!
Fact check everything he says.
Disrespect the person. He already disrespected the office.
Endow Harvard to get a historically accurate bio on chumps life for posterity.
Invite chump to watch a Super Heavy launch from the engine end.
intrepidity
(8,555 posts)Is there a post that has today's chronology and posts so I can catch up please?
intrepidity
(8,555 posts)He has a nasty habit of deleting them!
They must be preserved.
Emile
(40,669 posts)like the making of a blockbuster.