Dump told the GOP to block a right wing bipartisan bill on immigration.

This man is not right.

Fetterman

Looks like Pennsylvania voters will have to do us all a favor and get rid of him. It's obvious that Fetterman no longer has the principles or personal honor to do the proper thing and resign.

Nope. I don’t know what happened, I’m guessing the stroke, but you are not the same man I supported last year. It makes me both sad and angry. The deal is, as far as I’m concerned, is any Democrat that trashes Joe Biden isn’t welcome in my tent.

They are intentionally painting democrats as weak and republicans as strong, and they keep moving the goal posts like a psychotic football coach's assistant any time the dems make any progress. They created the problem and they're selling the solution. Fox is the 800 pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to address.

Acting like thats wasnt the case is dangerous & disingenuous
60 Minutes did more than one story on it as did others.

pass until Trump snapped their leash and told them not to, what was that?

Even if they'd allowed it to pass it was too little too late.
Sorry, but we have to accept reality or we're doomed to lose again. Look at the polls from the year prior to the election; it was at or near the top every time.

US Deportations under Biden surpassed Trump's record. Under Biden, Congress created one of the most comprehensive and bipartisan bills in decades to address the border. Doing anything in a bipartisan matter these days is a miracle, let alone such a complex issue. Yet all it took was a phone call from Trump, and the bill went "poof".

I'm sick and tired of Democrats being held to an impossible standard while the GOP gets away with everything. Until we learn how to message better, the Democrats could bring about World Peace, cure cancer, and make everyone immortal, and none of that would matter unless the Democrats can figure out how to combat the constant lies from the GOP.

If Joe Biden had run on immigration, then Fox News would have pivoted to something else.

They went down in 2024, but the damage was done. Even then, they merely returned to 2018 levels.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/migrant-encounters-at-u-s-mexico-border-have-fallen-sharply-in-2024/

And people STILL do not want to understand how & why we got to a 2nd trump occupation.

And nobody wants to admit or discuss them

I posted them earlier. What we GOT was a huge influx for three years. Call it whatever you want; it was covered extensively by the legitimate media. 60 Mins did more than one story on it; one of them showing nothing but Chinese flowing across. Obama had the best numbers; Biden the worst by far
But if its this hard to get people to admit we had a major problem with something so obvious, we're doomed.

Here's the link to the chart. As I said you may call it whatever you like, I call it a disaster.
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

And started peaking again under Biden, while TFG was shrieking daily about how open our borders were …
TFG was inciting the influx

They started rising again during Covid (odd, if you'd ask me), but it was slow. Then levels started dramatically rising from 2021-2023. Here's a more recent chart. It peaked in December of 2023 with a staggering 250,000 crossings that month. At that point, it was too late. The public had seen enough.

Gee, ya think that might have influenced people around the world unaware of the GOPs well-oiled lie machine?

How the Right’s “Open Borders” Myth Might Be Fueling the Migration Crisis
Immigration advocates say that migrants are seeking asylum under the illusion that they’ll be welcomed in without question, raising concerns that networks like Fox News may be influencing perceptions of the border abroad

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/open-borders-myth-fueling-migration-crisis

And it in no way excuses the complete lack of inability to respond. There was every reason to complain. Those numbers in 2021, 2022, and 2023 were completely unacceptable. Obama would not have had this problem.

Exaggerating the surges into ‘open borders’ was a political strategy from the Republican lie machine that you chose to further instead of counter.

And I'm still bitter about 2024.

why they were cutting the barb wire to make it easier to enter the country made us look horrible. Literally no excuse. The border was basically open with so many crossings a month. This is what killed our campaign.

and a lazyminded media let them do it every day since Biden’s inauguration. Any Dem who repeated that lie was/is stupid.

The myth of a U.S.-Mexico "open border
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/17/us-mexico-border-open-borders-myth

Biden’s Supposed “Open-Border Policy” Does Not Exist
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-mexico-border-detention/

From conservative CATO:

Biden’s Border Policy Is Not “Open Borders”

Practically since his first week in office, President Joe Biden has faced repeated criticisms from Republicans and some Democrats that his border policy amounts to “open borders.” This criticism is not simply inaccurate: it is unhinged from reality in a way that distinguishes itself from normal political hyperbole. Indeed, U.S. immigration policy is effectively closed borders, and Biden’s immigration policies and goals are largely the same as those of President Donald Trump.

Under U.S. immigration law, it is illegal for anyone in the world to travel or immigrate to the United States unless they fall into very narrow exceptions. Like Alcohol Prohibition—which had exemptions for religious, medicinal, or industrial purposes—America’s immigration prohibition’s small exceptions are irrelevant for the vast majority of potential immigrants. Effectively, if they don’t qualify as a select few high skilled workers or family members of U.S. citizens, they can’t come legally.

President Biden has not suddenly ended America’s immigration prohibition and opened up U.S. borders to almost anyone who wants to come (as was largely America’s immigration policy from 1776 to 1924). Instead, he has far more vigorously enforced immigration prohibition than the law requires, narrowing the few exceptions to the universal ban on legal immigration.
https://www.cato.org/blog/bidens-border-policy-not-open-borders

Racists & MAGAs didnt win the election. Independents, Dems who voted for him & democrats who stayed home did

Here are the actual numbers since 2019. They are what they are.
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

Republicans chose to get in front of media cameras Jan20,2021, and lie about it every day for 4 years.

Stick with reality. REALITY vs LIES.

If he was a Democrat that is exactly what Republican lie machine would have said in front of news cameras 24/7.

It wasn’t a change of policy under Trump that caused the surge then and it wasn’t a change of policy under Biden, either. US borders haven’t been open in over 9 decades - Why further lies?

round up everyone and maybe sort them out later is way better right ?

I see it every day; few want to admit what things cost us the election. It was several things & few of them can be discussed here without having the knives come out
But ask the Democrats who voted for trump, they'll tell you why. We ignore them at our own peril. We cant expect to win by simply watching trump fuck up everything & then hope we'll be seen as the better alternative.

trump lied about everything and had a party that went along with every lie. And a press who covered for and normalized him. Something a Democratic candidate will never have.

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Because they didn't want Biden to get any wins. Fox News is the problem child who screams like howler monkeys when they don't get their way.

The border played a bug part in our loss. I don't understand being dismissive about this issue. We waited too long to address it in 2024.

But lots of people are dismissive of ANY topic related to "why we lost". We still have OPs about "the stolen election" while ignoring that no polls showed us winning.
If we dont wake up & work on the reasons we doomed AGAIN

I still see posts dismissing the top campaign issues. I too tried to sound the alarm but was called "racist" because I didn't support unfettered immigration, not here but on other liberal boards. Though I have seen the same kind of thinking here as well as trashing voters and again being dismissive of their concerns. WE were the ones stuck in a bubble. I do not understand going all in on supporting illegal immigration. Its a losing campaign issue and isnt popular even amongst Democrats.

and "illegal immigration". It's a lie.

But that is the perception.

Not only do we need to work on the realities that failed us but we MUST work on how things are perceived.

were angry at Greg Abbott for the bussing, rather than showing any awareness that the root of the problem was that Biden was allowing so many migrants to cross in the first place. 2 million migrants per year crossing the southern border will have to go somewhere, folks, and yet people were screaming NIMBY when a few busses showed up in their cities. Apparently the democratic position on immigration was actually "we totally support migrants, as long as they all stay in southern border states where we never have to see one."

Biden waited until the very last second before he was about to be in hot water going into the election, then took decisive action at the border. But the damage had been done by then. He could not explain why he had done nothing for 3 years prior to that. And it absolutely cost us.

We have many better options, thankfully.

I’d imagine he could have multiple challengers. Conner Lamb is probably the most likely.

that TSF has something on Fetterman.

No tin hat here. It's how TSF gets once adversaries to bend the knee to him.

Who is Brazilian. Pretty sure he has threatened to deport her and their kids. Plus, of course, the usual threats of physical harm that all Democratic politicians are subjected to now.

if Biden had restricted border a few years ago. More importantly, it would have saved people who have been here contributing for years from trumpster hatred and deportation.

In fact, believe we would have won had VP Harris gone to border in military fatigues, with a pistol strapped to her leg, and crawled into a tunnel with a knife in her teeth to pull out an immigrant.

My community is like 40% immigrant with most missing a paper or two, but they are better neighbors and contribute more than the rubes who hate them. Fear for them because every time trump’s approval rating declines, he’ll deport a bunch to please his supporters.

Fucking Fox News intentionally told the lackeys they installed in Congress and the Senate to stall, obstruct and blow up any chance of any meaningful legislation, because they didn't want Biden to get a win out of fear of upsetting their precious orange man baby god emperor king. Fox News is the fucking problem and Fetterman is buying into their bullshit. Also, Fox News created the problem and they're selling the solution, and they don't want anyone to pass it except orange man baby.

I prefer my great neighbors missing a few papers to any trumpster I’ve met, but in retrospect we’d have helped those who’ve been here by restricting border earlier.

I supported Biden at time and stood up and cheered when he said something like, “I will not vilify immigrants for political points” when responding about immigration during campaign.

So, don’t blame him. Just think — now — that we could have saved many who’ve been here for years contributing to the community. And might have won election.

They wouldn't accept anyone but the stupid fucking orange one in the White House and went crazy with Biden being in power. Now they're trying to meddle and flip my state with the same tactics that they got the White House with, and I am absolutely dreading they might succeed. Fuck Fox to the fieriest depths of hell.

the audience FOX panders to. In other words, FOX didn’t make them racist cretins. They created FOX.

Note: I’m sure over a year, many more than 3 M tune in. But still, it’s the audience. If FOX disappeared or never existed, the audience would still support trump.

Fox content gets amplified on social media because the people who own social media sites, like Zuckerberg and Musk, are - wait for it - conservative. Who knows how many people tune into fringe shit like the Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Infowars, TPUSA, and all of that other garbage? And I'm sure there's worse out there that we're not aware of.

a lot of time blocking vile shit. But other stuff is good.

The deplorables choose not to block those groups. Just don’t know how we stop what I call “white wing” media. Used to just be white wing radio and hate radio.

Without question, FOX, etc., doesn’t help.

Considering how fucked up Trump's deportation/kidnappings are going, we could have done it a whole lot better.

Truth is, quite a few of the people being deported are going to return to the US after Trump's term because they were wrongfully removed.

Also, we all now know he's disrupted a valuable labor resource that is affecting small business.

So, I'm not saying Fetterman is right. In fact, he's very wrong if he's supporting Trump's immigration policies. But I am saying that now that we can see clearly Trump's cluster fuck of a policy, the Democrats have a chance to fix what is broken and capitalize on Trump's mistakes.

Biden should've put in the border restrictions during 2021, not wait until 2023.

I don't understand the thinking behind that. Arguing for unchecked undocumented immigration is not the hill to die on. Big mistake not addressing it in 2021.

Fetterman rewriting history?

Look at this from 2021 to the end of 2023:

There was no bill put forward until the issue started getting reported all over the news.

We have to take control of it. It's so easy for the right wing to exploit these issues and get idiots to support them .

obstructions and grandstanding the last 28 months of Biden's presidency. Lots of useful idiots are sucked into the narrative as well, more's the pity.

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a mess. Someone has to speak the truth.