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Kid Berwyn

(23,031 posts)
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:17 AM Jun 2025

EXIT Musk. ENTER Thiel.



Ruth Ben-Ghiat wants to share what "Veteran Supporting Democracy" wrote:



Peter Thiel silently steps in.

Trump’s move to have Elon Musk step aside wasn’t a retreat. It was a distraction. With Musk’s name out of the headlines, many assumed the controversial Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) had quietly ended. It hasn’t. It’s just changed hands.

Enter Peter Thiel, the billionaire founder of Palantir and close ally of Musk. Thiel and his company are now central to Trump’s newest plan: building a massive government-run database on every American.

Here’s what’s happening:

- Trump signed an executive order in March forcing government agencies to share data.

- Palantir, a company with deep ties to the far-right and known for building surveillance tools, has been tapped to lead the effort.

- DOGE has now been granted access to the U.S. Treasury Department.

- Palantir has already received over $113 million in government funds since Trump returned to office, and just secured a new $795 million contract with the Department of Defense. (Follow the money and see where it goes)

Palantir’s software is already being used inside the Department of Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, and more. The company is now in talks with the IRS and Social Security Administration to expand further. This means personal data, from tax returns to medical records, could soon be compiled in one place, under one administration, with little oversight.

This push began under Musk’s leadership at DOGE. Now it’s Thiel’s turn. And make no mistake, this is about power. With a centralized, government-controlled data system, Trump gains new tools to target critics, intimidate dissenters, and go after immigrants.

They want you to think the threat is gone. But it’s growing, and it’s being handed to people who have no business controlling our lives.

Stay informed. Stay loud. This isn’t over. Stop the billionaire takeover! “

Alt Park Service



Good people at NPS. Truly good people. And they're not afraid of billionaires juggling power saws.
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EXIT Musk. ENTER Thiel. (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 OP
Chris Hedges quotes Hannah Arendt to explain the workings... Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #1
Look like it's time LA Blue Bengal Jun 2025 #14
"...more than enough "evidence" to seize us..." markodochartaigh Jun 2025 #24
Thiel is the mastermind. peacebuzzard Jun 2025 #2
Both of these assholes need a one way ticket to Mars on a Space X rocket now! Initech Jun 2025 #3
Will Congress ever defend the American people from all enemies, foreign and domestic? Mr.Bee Jun 2025 #4
We have domestic enemies in Congress, sponsored by Fox and Heritage. Initech Jun 2025 #10
GOP congress is the enemy. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #11
Republicons are the party of Big Government, Inc. BoRaGard Jun 2025 #5
I don't think they are being submissive. pazzyanne Jun 2025 #30
Another Dark Enlightenment nutcase who is sharper than Musk. Lovely. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2025 #6
The Palantir entrance into the chaos is . . . peggysue2 Jun 2025 #7
This is bad news. Thiel is just as evil as Musk, but Fil1957 Jun 2025 #8
No way! J-9 Jun 2025 #19
That would be nice, but Fil1957 Jun 2025 #32
Thiel is NOT 'a close ally of Musk.' speak easy Jun 2025 #9
You might enjoy this. Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #15
Looks like Elon's had some hair implants... sop Jun 2025 #12
Gender affirming care.... n/t Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #21
We would tell him TommyT139 Jun 2025 #27
Scary times ahead! bif Jun 2025 #13
Well, they need at least 1 white supremacist billionaire Quanto Magnus Jun 2025 #16
The big difference is fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #17
Scary shit this malaise Jun 2025 #18
Ah shit wryter2000 Jun 2025 #20
Thiel is far more dangerous. Musk smashed everything--Thiel will rebuild & consolidate. Hekate Jun 2025 #22
DEI! DEI! DEI! BaronChocula Jun 2025 #23
K&R UTUSN Jun 2025 #25
Trouble redux: Q&A on the Pentagon's "Total Information Awareness" Program (John Poindexter's Madness) quaint Jun 2025 #26
Thiel Hitler! Blue Owl Jun 2025 #28
This shit has to end I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #29
Here he is at 30 smiling with dead eyes wolfie001 Jun 2025 #31
Kick dalton99a Jun 2025 #33

Kid Berwyn

(23,031 posts)
1. Chris Hedges quotes Hannah Arendt to explain the workings...
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:47 AM
Jun 2025
The Last Gasp of American Democracy

By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014

EXCERPT...

The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.

I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasi—the Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the “shield and sword” of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.

The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the population—one for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in America’s black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.

The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.

The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.

CONTINUED...

Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20140110094659/http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105

Original now busted link: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105

peacebuzzard

(5,797 posts)
2. Thiel is the mastermind.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:01 AM
Jun 2025

he started the whole Silicon Valley cabal. Ebay and PayPal were forerunners and friends with the Google gang. This was all during the Comcast and dial-up techno geek bros. era circa 98 or so....Look at them now, running the big white house while Orange Marmalade knows nothing about anything....
saga to be continued, I guess.

Mr.Bee

(1,647 posts)
4. Will Congress ever defend the American people from all enemies, foreign and domestic?
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:17 AM
Jun 2025

Especially Not-Sees from South Africa??
The Congress oath of office includes the phrase "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".
Congress wake up!

Initech

(107,466 posts)
10. We have domestic enemies in Congress, sponsored by Fox and Heritage.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:16 AM
Jun 2025

Fox is the 800 pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to address.

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
5. Republicons are the party of Big Government, Inc.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:25 AM
Jun 2025

and the magats will continue to submissively OBEY

pazzyanne

(6,747 posts)
30. I don't think they are being submissive.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 08:17 AM
Jun 2025

They believe they are getting something out of this. Wonder when MAGA will become "woke". When it is too late!

peggysue2

(12,389 posts)
7. The Palantir entrance into the chaos is . . .
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jun 2025

A genuine threat. Musk has done the groundwork.Thiel will be coming in with the kill shot for democracy.

And yes, we need to stay informed and stay loud.

If we survive this, the Tech Bro Billionaires Club needs dismantling. These men with their obscene amounts of money are nothing more than traitors to the very country that spawned them.

Fil1957

(547 posts)
8. This is bad news. Thiel is just as evil as Musk, but
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:55 AM
Jun 2025

without the crazy. That means he can destroy more effectively. It's like replacing Hitler with Stalin. Bring back Musk!

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
9. Thiel is NOT 'a close ally of Musk.'
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:06 AM
Jun 2025

Last edited Mon Jun 2, 2025, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

There are oceans of bad blood between them.

Kid Berwyn

(23,031 posts)
15. You might enjoy this.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:53 AM
Jun 2025
How the roots of the ‘PayPal mafia’ extend to apartheid South Africa

Elon Musk grew up with the privileges of a stratified racial order and Peter Thiel lived in a city that venerated Hitler


by Chris McGreal
The Guardian, January 26, 2025

Excerpt...

They include Peter Thiel, the German-born billionaire venture capitalist and PayPal cofounder, who was educated in a southern African city in the 1970s where Hitler was still openly venerated. Thiel, a major donor to Trump’s campaign, has been critical of welfare programs and women being permitted to vote as undermining capitalism. A 2021 biography of Thiel, called The Contrarian, alleged that as a student at Stanford he defended apartheid as “economically sound”.

David Sacks, formerly PayPal’s chief operating officer and now a leading fundraiser for Trump, was born in Cape Town and grew up within the South African diaspora after his family moved to the US when he was young. A fourth member of the mafia, Roelof Botha, the grandson of the apartheid regime’s last foreign minister, Pik Botha, and former PayPal CFO, has kept a lower political profile but remains close to Musk.

Among them, Musk stands out for his ownership of X, which is increasingly a platform for far-right views, and his proximity to Trump, who has nominated Musk to head a “department of government efficiency” to slash and burn its way through the federal bureaucracy.

Snip...

The week before the inauguration, Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, described white South Africans as the “most racist people on earth”, questioned their involvement in US politics and said Musk was a malign influence who should go back to the country of his birth.

Snip...

The South Africa into which Musk was born in 1971, and to which Thiel moved as a child from Germany, was led by a prime minister, John Vorster, who had been a general in a fascist militia three decades earlier that allied itself with Hitler.

Continues...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/26/elon-musk-peter-thiel-apartheid-south-africa

TommyT139

(2,150 posts)
27. We would tell him
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 02:39 PM
Jun 2025

...to get his doctor to increase his dosage!

A kitten could lick those whiskers off him.

Quanto Magnus

(1,300 posts)
16. Well, they need at least 1 white supremacist billionaire
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:58 AM
Jun 2025

gutting programs for everyone not rich...

fujiyamasan

(1,234 posts)
17. The big difference is
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 12:02 PM
Jun 2025

Peter Thiel is a lot more disciplined than Musk and is smart enough to stay behind the scenes and keep a lower profile. I doubt I’ll be reading a story in the NYT of his baby mama troubles, a litter of over 10 kids, and ketamine fueled orgies.

Vance is one of Thiel’s guys. I think Thiel was instrumental in making that pick (through Don Jr).

Palantir’s retail base is fanatical and the CEO is almost like a cult leader. The stock is like 500 x earnings. It’s been compared to Skynet. And they were nailing government contracts even before Trump. It has only accelerated.

All of this makes Thiel more dangerous.





BaronChocula

(4,043 posts)
23. DEI! DEI! DEI!
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 12:24 PM
Jun 2025

Hiring Thiel is obviously in celebration of Pride Month. Tell all your maga moron friends and family. They will be highly disappointed.

The rapist could have put his own sycophantic number 2 Cover Girl Vance in charge. He was, after all a Thiel protege for years. But instead the rapist went with the gay DEI hire. What next, a pride flag atop the WH?

quaint

(4,671 posts)
26. Trouble redux: Q&A on the Pentagon's "Total Information Awareness" Program (John Poindexter's Madness)
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 02:27 PM
Jun 2025
An ACLU document

We fight. Win some, lose most. Still we fight.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,330 posts)
29. This shit has to end
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:19 PM
Jun 2025

Even if it means ending the problem people. I don’t know what else stops psychopaths with money to burn.

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