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Polybius

(21,505 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:38 AM Jun 2025

Two new Atlas Intel polls out today - one great, one meh

Hard to see how they both can be correct, but if they are, I'm fine with it. If we are that far ahead in the Congressional vote, we can pickup 40 seats. Trump's approval is irrelevant, he can't run again.

2026 Generic Congressional Vote: Democrats 51, Republicans 42
President Trump Job Approval: Approve 45, Disapprove 54

Link: (at the top)
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

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Two new Atlas Intel polls out today - one great, one meh (Original Post) Polybius Jun 2025 OP
To me the generic ballot is all that matters at this point. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #1
Well it's definitely a pipe dream for the 2026 Senate Polybius Jun 2025 #3
Generic ballot lead would probably need to be like 30-40% SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #4
Republicans have 22 Senate seats up in 2026, we have 13 Polybius Jun 2025 #6
With the right pupulist message, i can see it happening SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #8
Yes, the damage has barely started, 17 months from now, Meadowoak Jun 2025 #9
Of course Polybius Jun 2025 #11
I disagree, those are all very poor states, with the largest Meadowoak Jun 2025 #16
Only OK and WV are currently Medicaid expansion states. Thunderbeast Jun 2025 #22
KY is also a Medicaid expansion state. MO, AR, LA, Meadowoak Jun 2025 #23
Seems more important to focus on red state generic then. MAGA BBL is going to force more hurt on .... uponit7771 Jun 2025 #20
I'm sorry, but we must be realistic Polybius Jun 2025 #10
Yeah. I was one of those delusional people. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #12
I'm just bothered by states like WV and WY Polybius Jun 2025 #13
Wyoming + WestVirginia 4 senators vs California 2 senators jimmy the one Jun 2025 #18
We had the right message, but they won't vote for a black woman. Meadowoak Jun 2025 #24
I think any message that can lose to a fascist is the wrong message. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #25
We would have if Harris wouldn't have been a black woman. Meadowoak Jun 2025 #17
Is it her being a black woman that kept the millions of black, hispanic and Arab people from voting for her? SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #28
Those messages don't work... WarGamer Jun 2025 #19
👉🏿👉🏿👉🏿 "because people were pissed off about the cost of living" !!!! uponit7771 Jun 2025 #21
Making the rich pay their fair share has always won national campaigns when run, no? SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #27
With the right messaging? yes !! Even MAGA recognizes they're not paying fair share now uponit7771 Jun 2025 #29
No, he cannot run again for "pres", but he can run for vice. That is being speculated in certain circles. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2025 #2
No, he can't Polybius Jun 2025 #5
He can't run for VP obamanut2012 Jun 2025 #15
Atlas Intel is probably the best pollster there is Sympthsical Jun 2025 #7
Interesting polls fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #14
The fact that they include Rassmusen as a "legitimate" pollster, and frankly I have never hears of Atlas, I JohnSJ Jun 2025 #26

SSJVegeta

(2,272 posts)
1. To me the generic ballot is all that matters at this point.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:45 AM
Jun 2025

So great news! I also wonder how much of the Senste we can pick up. With enough of a lead, maybe a veto proof majority isn't a pipe dream.

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
3. Well it's definitely a pipe dream for the 2026 Senate
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:03 AM
Jun 2025

They have a much easier path. Right now, they control the Senate 53-47. At maximum, we can pick up three, possibly four in a Blue Wave. We would need to pick up a staggering 20 seats to get to the 67 needed for veto-proof.

SSJVegeta

(2,272 posts)
4. Generic ballot lead would probably need to be like 30-40%
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:09 AM
Jun 2025

I'm guessing? (Obviously it doesn't reflect as cleanly for the senate races as the house races, but I imagine there would have to be far more of a galvanized opposition than for the house)

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
6. Republicans have 22 Senate seats up in 2026, we have 13
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:16 AM
Jun 2025

They would have to lose 20 out of 22, and we'd have to win every one of ours. We would have to win in places like AL, MS, OK, TN, TX, WV, and WY. To put it mildly, yikes!

SSJVegeta

(2,272 posts)
8. With the right pupulist message, i can see it happening
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:31 AM
Jun 2025

Like if the midterms are all about crushing rhe oligarchy, I see us getting close. But it will be tough!

Meadowoak

(6,605 posts)
9. Yes, the damage has barely started, 17 months from now,
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:38 AM
Jun 2025

I suspect a lot of trumpers will turn on the Trump party.

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
11. Of course
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:44 AM
Jun 2025

But not in AL, MS, OK, TN, WV, or WY. Us winning in those states would be like a Republican winning in CA or HI. Even with an unpopular President, Steve Garvey still lost by 20 in Cali.

Meadowoak

(6,605 posts)
16. I disagree, those are all very poor states, with the largest
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jun 2025

Numbers of people relying on SNAP and Medicaid. When those programs are gone, and there's only one party to blame, I predict a major shift back to the democrats.

Thunderbeast

(3,770 posts)
22. Only OK and WV are currently Medicaid expansion states.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 04:39 PM
Jun 2025

The rest will not be afraid of Medicaid cuts.

Meadowoak

(6,605 posts)
23. KY is also a Medicaid expansion state. MO, AR, LA,
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 05:36 PM
Jun 2025

IN, VA, NC, lots of red states with Medicaid expansion.

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
20. Seems more important to focus on red state generic then. MAGA BBL is going to force more hurt on ....
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:29 PM
Jun 2025

... us economic system.

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
10. I'm sorry, but we must be realistic
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:41 AM
Jun 2025

Trust me, I was arguing with people who said Harris would win by 20 and get 400 EV's. We're not picking up Senate seats in AL, MS, OK, TN, WV, or WY. Some of those they will win by 30 points (WV and WY).

Now TX, may be possible to pick up if Ken Paxton gets the Republican nomination and we run a really strong candidate. For now though, let's focus on where we can definitely pick up, such as ME, NC. Feel free to bookmark, I'll be the first to apologize if I'm wrong.

SSJVegeta

(2,272 posts)
12. Yeah. I was one of those delusional people.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 12:00 PM
Jun 2025

I definitely think that it is impossible without the right message. So far the last time we ever had "the right message" was when Obama ran in 2008. We got close then. We would get closer this time.

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
13. I'm just bothered by states like WV and WY
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 12:10 PM
Jun 2025

Nothing against the good people who live there, but Trump got 70% of the vote in WV, and 72% in WY. That's a staggering amount of people to convince. It's sad, actually.

jimmy the one

(2,777 posts)
18. Wyoming + WestVirginia 4 senators vs California 2 senators
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:14 PM
Jun 2025

West Virginia plus Wyoming have about 2.5 million residents, while California has 39.5 million.
California has 16 times more residents.
West Virginia gets 2 senators, Wyoming 2, California 2.
In the senate 4 red senators vs 2 blue senators.

Senators should be allocated on a 2 3 or 4 basis depending on population.
Fat chance jimmy.
The senate will likely be red the next 20 years.

Meadowoak

(6,605 posts)
24. We had the right message, but they won't vote for a black woman.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jun 2025

More people stayed home than voted for either candidate.

SSJVegeta

(2,272 posts)
28. Is it her being a black woman that kept the millions of black, hispanic and Arab people from voting for her?
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:09 PM
Jun 2025


She lost by a sliver. Her being black was not the reason..

WarGamer

(18,248 posts)
19. Those messages don't work...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:20 PM
Jun 2025

Look at 24.

"Democracy" and "Oligarchy" and "Felon" were soundly rejected because people were pissed off about the cost of living.

Run ALL campaigns on making life easier for working class people.

People DONT GIVE A SHIT about issues that float around a University Faculty Break Room.

They vote on their checkbook and shit they see on TikTok.

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
21. 👉🏿👉🏿👉🏿 "because people were pissed off about the cost of living" !!!!
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jun 2025

This should be an OP !!!

The Real Wage Index is still going the wrong way and I don't see it getting better by years end.

We're have lower rate of inflation but people voted for DEFLATION or increase in salaries, no way MAGA is supporting that.

So we have another chance to focus a strong economic message.

Making the rich pay their fair share could be one of them.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,526 posts)
2. No, he cannot run again for "pres", but he can run for vice. That is being speculated in certain circles.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:47 AM
Jun 2025

I, for one, hope he dies before he gets that chance.

Polybius

(21,505 posts)
5. No, he can't
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jun 2025
Part of the 12h Amendment:

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.


Since he's "constitutionally ineligible" to run for President, he can't run for VP.

Sympthsical

(10,846 posts)
7. Atlas Intel is probably the best pollster there is
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:18 AM
Jun 2025

They've been consistently bang on with things. I remember the morning of election day 2024, I looked at their final polls and immediately got a sinking feeling.

Their read seems to be about where we are right now. Well-positioned for 2026, but that "Regretful Trump Voter" is not really a thing.

He's doing what he told them he would. Unless their ass is the one getting kicked by it, they don't care.

fujiyamasan

(1,219 posts)
14. Interesting polls
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 12:15 PM
Jun 2025

That’s the first set of ‘26 polls I’d seen. Obviously it’s still really early.

I used to live in Michigan and it looks like Detroit mayor Mike Duggan may be playing spoiler here. Wonder if some big republican donors are getting him to run to throw this to James (who has lost two or three senate races by fairly slim margins).

Maybe Pete B should throw his hat in the ring for the senate primary. It could provide a better springboard if he wants to run for president again. Right now, his resume is sorta thin. He’s an effective communicator but I want to see him win a statewide seat to consider him viable for higher office.

I notice Hochul and Stefanik are competitive for the NY governor’s race. She’ll need to open a bigger lead otherwise dems will be forced to spend on a race, that could go toward other races.



 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
26. The fact that they include Rassmusen as a "legitimate" pollster, and frankly I have never hears of Atlas, I
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 05:55 PM
Jun 2025

have very little credibility in them.

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