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Celerity

(53,666 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 05:47 AM Jun 2025

Democratic Party is at risk of becoming 'roadkill,' warns Tim Walz

The Minnesota governor unleashed harsh language during appearances this weekend, in the clearest signs yet that he is weighing a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2028.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/31/tim-walz-democrats-2028/

https://archive.ph/tFfo4


Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz made coast-to-coast appearances on Saturday, ending the day at the California Democratic Party's 2025 state convention in Anaheim. (Damian Dovarganes/AP)

ANAHEIM, Calif. — Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz harshly critiqued the Democratic Party and its failure to connect with the working class in coast-to-coast appearances on Saturday, warning in a speech here in California that the party is at risk of becoming “roadkill” after its steep losses in the 2024 elections.

In one of the clearest signs yet that he is seriously weighing a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2028 after serving as Kamala Harris’s running mate in 2024, Walz spent the morning addressing Democrats in the early primary state of South Carolina before dashing across the country to close out a gathering of state party delegates in Anaheim.

Walz acknowledged that his prominent role as the vice-presidential nominee during last year’s election put him in an awkward position to suggest revamping the party’s message. But on Saturday, he argued that his party has “strayed from our North Star” as a champion for the working class. Democrats needed to “be honest” about their failings because the 2024 loss of the White House and both houses of Congress has created major consequences for the most vulnerable people in the country.

During both appearances, he encouraged Democrats to match President Donald Trump’s tough tactics and worry less about offending people. While he hails from a state known for “Minnesota nice,” he argued that Trump is motivated by “cruelty and corruption” and that the GOP’s proposed cuts to health care, education and food assistance programs warrant a new approach.

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Democratic Party is at risk of becoming 'roadkill,' warns Tim Walz (Original Post) Celerity Jun 2025 OP
Noted JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #1
I like him malaise Jun 2025 #2
Me, too, malaise BComplex Jun 2025 #12
Guess I'm a little put off by this tactic of publicly trashing Democrats by Democrats. I like Walz, but - Vinca Jun 2025 #3
This is the way to do it. Not behind closed doors in secret. Autumn Jun 2025 #8
It doesn't make sense to me because non-Dems may look at it and think if we think we suck, we must really suck. Vinca Jun 2025 #16
Look at Trumps nominees that some of them voted for. Autumn Jun 2025 #17
Well so far I haven't heard any personal attacks yorkster Jun 2025 #9
Nope IbogaProject Jun 2025 #14
Yep. And it's a wee bit ironic coming from him... W_HAMILTON Jun 2025 #19
Trash Trump and the Republicans. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2025 #24
I agree MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #26
Most of our members cant grandstand, which is an important skill out of power. Mr. Sparkle Jun 2025 #4
I don't get why we don't have "advisors" like Karl Rove, Roger Ailes. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2025 #25
Not just the Democratic Party, the entire country. mdbl Jun 2025 #5
Yup mac56 Jun 2025 #6
WOW! I saw him speak at the SC Democratic Convention at about 10:20 AM EDT yesterday (Saturday) Bo Zarts Jun 2025 #7
I absolutely agree with Walz, except for one thing... Trueblue Texan Jun 2025 #10
Harris addressed all of these JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #13
Oh, yes, I know she addressed these in policies... Trueblue Texan Jun 2025 #20
It's never enough, is it? MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #28
there's a big gap between a line-item on a policy document and making an issue central to your political identity cadoman Jun 2025 #23
Policy doesn't matter JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #29
Gotta hit them in the emotions... Trueblue Texan Jun 2025 #32
I'd rather worry about the mid terms first, but may I say Walz/Buttigieg? ms liberty Jun 2025 #11
My Governor and Close Personal friend. ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2025 #15
Kick dalton99a Jun 2025 #18
Walz could be the leader we need to lead us out of the wilderness Mysterian Jun 2025 #21
Remember, the truth kicks ass, thank you Tom, for the truth. republianmushroom Jun 2025 #22
Him and Pritzker are my two favs kimbutgar Jun 2025 #27
He is correct that his 2024 role puts him in an awkward position for this karynnj Jun 2025 #30
Sounds like a populist running against the Democratic Party. betsuni Jun 2025 #31

JustAnotherGen

(37,555 posts)
1. Noted
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:24 AM
Jun 2025

Amen!

match President Donald Trump’s tough tactics and worry less about offending people.

He's getting this is a Culture War. Those of us who are Democratic Party members for whom our cruelty is the point . . . just stay out of our way. From day one this country's cruelty is a feature, not a bug.

Vinca

(53,342 posts)
3. Guess I'm a little put off by this tactic of publicly trashing Democrats by Democrats. I like Walz, but -
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:41 AM
Jun 2025

IMO - they should be having these conversations about how to approach issues/people/Trump/etc. in private conversations. We should not be broadcasting to the country that "Yeah, we think we suck, too."

Vinca

(53,342 posts)
16. It doesn't make sense to me because non-Dems may look at it and think if we think we suck, we must really suck.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:50 AM
Jun 2025

Autumn

(48,728 posts)
17. Look at Trumps nominees that some of them voted for.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:04 AM
Jun 2025

Dems can not roll over. Tim is right.

yorkster

(3,673 posts)
9. Well so far I haven't heard any personal attacks
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:47 AM
Jun 2025

from Tim Walz, unlike many other prominent Dems. Unless I've missed something, he saves that for Republicans, who well deserve it.

Really like his fire, wit, intelligence and great sense of humor.

IbogaProject

(5,613 posts)
14. Nope
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:55 AM
Jun 2025

Unfortunately big money donors have infiltrated politcs on both sides. We need grassroots appeal to generate massive small money donors and social media reach. The current system with large media buys is sputtering out. TV ads will become less important. We are going to have to have sound bites, memes and be able to play "what about" better than the GOP. We can win on truth abd it will be hard work. We ran 2024 like it was 2008. We should have run against big money in visible ways. It would have allowed us to show the plublic we were running against the billionaire class. We spent too much effort on focus groups that didn't reflect the typical voter. There was a GOP tax timebomb that we didn't address. A crushing middle class tax hike is coming in 2026 and will hit hard before the midterms. The GOP will try blame it on us and Biden, even though it was passed in 2017 and signed by 45. They could succeed as we failed to adress another one in 2009 & 10 that cost us those midterms to the fake Tea Party. We failed to run clearly against it in 20, 22 or 24.

W_HAMILTON

(10,057 posts)
19. Yep. And it's a wee bit ironic coming from him...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:10 AM
Jun 2025

Last edited Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:46 PM - Edit history (2)

...since he was on the ticket that lost, which caused all this Democratic handwringing to begin with.

Mr. Sparkle

(3,609 posts)
4. Most of our members cant grandstand, which is an important skill out of power.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:20 AM
Jun 2025

when the republicans are out of power, a memo goes around the gop who are told to look and act like they are in power. I have heard that from a few gop strategists. We on the other hand, look like a bunch of headless chickens.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,207 posts)
25. I don't get why we don't have "advisors" like Karl Rove, Roger Ailes.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:47 PM
Jun 2025

Yes, they are evil but that is why the Reps are winning. When the majority of people in the psych field are quite liberal (I’m one of them). It’s like the Democrats are like Bambi and we’re fighting Godzilla.

mdbl

(8,109 posts)
5. Not just the Democratic Party, the entire country.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:22 AM
Jun 2025

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with self-reflection but you don't want to kill the brand.

Bo Zarts

(26,254 posts)
7. WOW! I saw him speak at the SC Democratic Convention at about 10:20 AM EDT yesterday (Saturday)
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:36 AM
Jun 2025

He spoke for about a half hour .. and a fiery speach it was. We (the delegates) were so fired up that Walz could have done an encore.

But he disappeared. The state party chair, Crystale Spain, then informed us that Governor Walz had a very tight airline connection and had to rush to the Columbia (SC) airport. We had no idea that he was going to California to speak to their Democratic Party Convention!

But that's what you do when you are running for president.

Trueblue Texan

(4,186 posts)
10. I absolutely agree with Walz, except for one thing...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:50 AM
Jun 2025

I don’t actually think the Dems have lost touch with working people. After all, the party consists of millions of Dems on the local level. We are the party. But we have lost our ability to communicate on a national level with the working class as effectively as we need to. We need to address the sense of desperation they feel every time they go to work worried that their livelihood may disappear by the end of the day. We need to address the frustration they feel at working and saving and still not being able to afford a home or to have a family. We need to address the burden of debt the student loans have placed on them and how the party can provide policies to help them manage the load. We need to address the cost of childcare, groceries and medical care and contrast it with the policies that put them in this place of desperation. We need to compare where they are today with earlier generations who could make a living on one income if they chose to and the policies that now make that nearly impossible. We need to tap into their anger for getting screwed over and over and over again and the policies we support that will relieve some of their burdens and add fairness to a system that has been designed to use them up and throw them away.

Tim Walz is a very effective communicator in all those areas. I think he would make a great candidate. Still it pisses me off that what he has in his pants is more of a qualifier with the American people than what he has in his brain. Except for that, Kamala had everything Walz has, but didn’t tap into the indignity and anger the American people feel as effectively. Women must follow different social rules than men. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn’t follow those rules. I’m still crushed.

JustAnotherGen

(37,555 posts)
13. Harris addressed all of these
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:06 AM
Jun 2025

We need to address the frustration they feel at working and saving and still not being able to afford a home or to have a family. We need to address the burden of debt the student loans have placed on them and how the party can provide policies to help them manage the load. We need to address the cost of childcare, groceries and medical care and contrast it with the policies that put them in this place of desperation. We need to compare where they are today with earlier generations who could make a living on one income if they chose to and the policies that now make that nearly impossible


25K down for 1st Generation home buyers.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/how-kamala-harris-25k-down-payment-assistance-plan-could-work/
Last week, Harris and running mate Tim Walz unveiled a proposal calling for $25,000 in down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers, which could be increased for first-generation homebuyers. A lack of specific detail in the proposal has led to some confusion over whether this would be a tax credit or some form of direct monetary assistance, with policy experts telling HousingWire it would most likely be the latter.



Student Debt Relief
https://www.nasfaa.org/news-item/34753/What_a_Harris_Administration_Could_Mean_for_Student_Financial_Aid
On Harris’s website, she wrote that under the Biden administration, she has provided nearly $170 billion in student debt relief for almost five million borrowers, and “delivered record investments” in Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), tribal colleges, Hispanic-Serving Institutions, and other minority-serving institutions.


Child Care
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s1-5077776/kamala-harris-child-tax-credit-housing
Vice President Harris unveiled an economic plan on Friday that focused on the high cost of housing, groceries and raising kids — top-of-mind expenses for voters pinched by years of rising prices.

The plan includes a major expansion in the child tax credit. Low- and middle-income families would get up to $6,000 when they have a new baby. And Harris said she wants to restore the pandemic-era program that gave families up to $3,600 per child.


As you stated - she simply didn't tap into white working class Americans' anger.

It's my theory that had she limited those programs to only white Americans (Dominant Culture) - they wouldn't have been so hostile to her.

Example - Black Americans read between the lines on her housing proposal. There could have been a potential higher amount than 25K for first generation home buyers. It was reparations wrapped up in a Dominant Culture need for assistance.

Our two original sins as a country continue to reverberate today.

Policies really don't matter. Language of FEAR wins every single time with the white working class electorate. I've watched it since 1994. They never change.

Trueblue Texan

(4,186 posts)
20. Oh, yes, I know she addressed these in policies...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jun 2025

But she didn't provoke their anger at their current situation before she did it...you know, ladies aren't supposed to do that sort of thing.

 

cadoman

(1,617 posts)
23. there's a big gap between a line-item on a policy document and making an issue central to your political identity
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:40 PM
Jun 2025

Candidates will be known by what they focus on. That's why Bernie is known for Democratic Socialism, AOC is known for the Green New Deal, Obama was known for voting against the Iraq travesty, Dumpf is known for wanting to put all brown immigrants to death, etc.

What you equate with FEAR is partially correct (repukes vote entirely based on fear of non-whiteness and womxn), but the ideal candidates have forged an identity that coincides with their political moment. Harris is a generalist (that is not a bad thing), but it also means that none of her policy choices will resonate much because voters know those polices aren't set in stone. Generalists will be judged based on whiteness, maleness, and likeability (hence why Bill did so well as a generalist).

You can see this with what Wes Moore is doing, because he is clearly sacrificing short-term wins (reparations study) for a Presidential setup. He knows how important it is to appease white violence to win elections in America, and a Black candidate offering a post-reparations worldview is just that. Some may call it cynical, but it undeniably improves his electoral chances.

https://marylandmatters.org/2025/05/22/lawmakers-confident-they-can-override-moores-veto-reinstate-reparations-commission-bill/

JustAnotherGen

(37,555 posts)
29. Policy doesn't matter
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jun 2025

Think like a maga Repub or an indie with a chip on their shoulder.

They are only moved by fear and vindictiveness. Their cultural identity is wrapped up in being given excuses to be losers. They only way they can win in life - is to have a big daddy to be their revenge.

We heard it in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Trueblue Texan

(4,186 posts)
32. Gotta hit them in the emotions...
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jun 2025

...because clearly information and solid policy is irrelevant to so many.

ms liberty

(10,957 posts)
11. I'd rather worry about the mid terms first, but may I say Walz/Buttigieg?
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:55 AM
Jun 2025

Seeing what we're dealing with, to start talking about the next presidential election this soon might be a good thing. It generates some excitement, interest and ideas, at least among us as democrats.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,615 posts)
15. My Governor and Close Personal friend.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:13 AM
Jun 2025

Ever since meeting Tim in February of 2005 at an event in Mankato when he announced his run for Congress in Minnesota's 1st Congressional District, I knew then this man was special and we would get on beautifully. From humble High School teacher to Congressman to Governor, Tim Walz has morphed into a Political powerhouse NOT to be ignored. He has grown immensely in the art of communication and speaking style. The gloves are off.

Mine and my late husband's close friendship with him and Gwen these past 20 years, are Joy's to be cherished. His attending my husband's Celebration of Life for a bit on May 22nd showed he is just a person who cares about others and values close friendships as anyone else would.

Mysterian

(6,171 posts)
21. Walz could be the leader we need to lead us out of the wilderness
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 12:13 PM
Jun 2025

Dems/liberals need a leader to keep us together and pointed at the objective.

kimbutgar

(26,796 posts)
27. Him and Pritzker are my two favs
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 01:49 PM
Jun 2025

But I’d still love to have Kamala a Harris as the first female President in my lifetime !

karynnj

(60,779 posts)
30. He is correct that his 2024 role puts him in an awkward position for this
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 03:03 PM
Jun 2025

While it is true that we lost both houses and the Presidency, consider that Trump/Republican victories were not that different than Biden/Democratic victories in 2020. Were they road kill them?

I don't think it is good to OVERSTATE the size of the Republican victory. It also is not a good idea to help the Republicans in rewriting the 2024 election buying into every negative characterization.

The Democrats did speak of healthcare, probably as often as abortion rights.

They did speak of the economy. Here, I think their problem is the same as the problem in 2016. In both years, prudent management of the economy had improved the likelihood of Americans and were a BIG improvement from the chaos of 2008 and 2020 respectively. The problem, I think, was a fear that any triumphant recounting of what went right might be seen as uncaring to any left behind.

Joe Biden was the first President to leave office with a more equitable division of income than when he came in. This should have been spoken of more. Couldn't a message have been that Biden succeeded in passing many important bills that will continue to make life better, but much work still needed to be done.

I liked Walz, but I don't think he is the best choice for candidate.

betsuni

(28,705 posts)
31. Sounds like a populist running against the Democratic Party.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 03:10 PM
Jun 2025

What "working class" did Biden/Harris administration and Harris/Walz campaign ignore? If he says nice totally not racist or anything Trump voters are just suffering from the economic anxiety those mean old Democrats created, it will be official.

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