That yes the piece of shit as I call him is destroying the country but he could not vote for Hillary because of her position on Haiti and he could not vote for Kamala because of her position or assumed position on Gaza.

This is why our country is being destroyed by a piece of shit, fuck fuck fuck fuck

They could not vote for Those Women!

and act accordingly when that impossible expectation doesn't happen.

Republicans say, "whatever, we'll be in power."

In the last three presidential elections, either a Democrat or Donald Trump would win the White House and all that goes with it.

Any citizen who understood the catastrophe of a Trump presidency and did not cast their vote to prevent that shares the blame for all that is transpiring now.

Did the "Genocide Joe" crowd actually think Trump would put more pressure on Netanyahu and withold offensive weapons from Israel?

If they believed that, they're stupid.

Even worse if they refused to vote for Joe as a matter of "principle."

Those who seek purity in politics will never find it.

If every perceived infraction is disqualifying, they have in fact canceled the only power they have against evil.

wherein Democrats are corrupt immoral sinners one cannot possibly vote one's conscious for is diabolical.

But purity is a concept, impossible to implement in any practical sense. When purity prevents obstructs the good, evil is enabled.

But this is just a stupid position my friend took and he shares it with millions unfortunately and it was the same in 2016.

In 2016 that attitude received a lot of support by a certain someone who was running for president and gave credence to that stupid thinking.

We literally cannot survive between the Maga idiots, the TikTok users who are too busy to vote and these idiots we are talking about.

But this is just a stupid position my friend took and he shares it with millions unfortunately and it was the same in 2016.

In 2016 that attitude received a lot of support by a certain someone who was running for president and gave credence to that stupid thinking.

We literally cannot survive between the Maga idiots, the TikTok users who are too busy to vote and these idiots we are talking about.

That's all I have to say about it.

They understand that when they don't vote for the Republican, they are in fact de facto voting for the Democrat. The same is true in reverse. I'm looking at you Ralph Nader and Jill Stein voters...

Every election cycle they get suckered in by the latest propaganda, spread by billionaires who want the Republican to win.

Gullible, smug, certain in their righteousness and the belief that "good always wins". Sigh.

and pass judgment on everyone else to feed their egos.

Sad, isn't it?

Do not regret their vote . It tells me they were after something else. How can you be proud of supporting a third Party, not voting or voting for trump? They are very proud of not voting for Joe or Kamala in spite of the atrocities committed against their people.

Then they can't (or refuse) to see past a righteous cause to the real world consequences of a Trump presidency, not only for Palestinians but for people worldwide. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not the ones being punished.

Perhaps their protests were more fashion than substance, or they simply won't admit to themselves and others they made a terrible mistake.

Setting them aside, I have to wonder if Hamas anticipated the sustained severity of Israel's response. They had to know Gaza was going to be hit, and hit hard. I surmised their strategy was to garner international sympathy and support. That has materialized, but hasn't changed facts on the ground.

I think it's important to remember the I/P conflict goes beyond the multiple generations of our lifetime. Struggle over the Holy Land spans millenia. Like Putin, Hamas desires the collapse of the USA as the dominant nation on the world stage. Without US financial and military aid, Israel's position is considerably weaker.

Hemmed into an open air prison (somewhat of Hamas own making) their desperate position called for desperate measures. Their long term goal (which I do NOT support) is the destruction of the Jewish State, which of course means eliminating or driving out the Jewish people.

Now Trump says he will force an exodus of Palestinians from Gaza. Is the "Genocide Joe" crowd proud of that? I give them no credit for understanding real geopolitics, or having the maturity to see past their own personal passion.

It could be bots or crap stirrers but overwhelmingly they stood with their decision to boycott.they also protested a speech by reverend Warnock . I have no idea what they hope to accomplish but they don’t give a hoot about the Palestinians and their terror. They never ever blame anything on the republicans and Netanyahu.

Sounds like they're intractable. Oh well, recriminations don't matter. Nor do they help.

We have more important matters at hand, like saving our Constitutional democracy.

Fck ‘em all.

right here. F them!

... as well as making them feel paranoid and vulnerable. That explains the lashing-out for no rational reason, but it does not excuse it. In my opinion.

🤔

Aside from that, it's difficult to know what to make of it.

which is pretty silly.

And if true, it reveals much. The old maxim is true that actions speak louder than words.

They were very vocal, albeit, not that many, but they know who they are.

They get to complain about how awful everything is, which seems to be their main motivation.

No accounting for some people's hobbies.

Can someone here openly state they refused to vote for the Democratic nominee for president and still remain a member of the DU community?

I hold them responsible for my father's murder by covid etc. too.

Thank you, Oopsie Daisy.

Just sayin'.

I'm "just sayin'" too.

we'll keep making the same mistake over, and over and over again.

The mistake of stabbing a good man in back?

I agree.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220325936

Love Mister Bean!!!

Joe was carrying out commitments made to Israel (not Netanyahu) and was being influenced strongly by Harris and no doubt, AOC and Bernie to help Palestinians in the grip of Hamas.

It was MORE THAN OBVIOUS that the alternative to Joe and Kamala was the assured destruction we see of Gaza.

I don't see any of the usual suspects coming to this thread to defend those assholes that chanted Genocide Joe or urged voters to either vote for Been A Dick Donald or don't vote at all.
Very curious.

I recall heated discussion about the Biden administration's policies and actions regarding the I/P conflict, but voting for The Felon or 3rd party?

I didn't see that, but I don't read every post.

but there is such a thing as nullification.
Just like in real life, enough sympathizers can affect the outcome of a verdict.

Are you saying that some DU members actually urged voting for Trump or witholding their vote from the Democratic nominee, but the "verdict" allowed them to remain because of sympathy for urging such a thing?

Have a great Monday.

I said that some here defended those that were saying that, there is a difference between the 2.

Yes, I recall some saying they understood (or sympathized with) a "principled" decision to not vote for Joe based on US complicity in the slaughter in Gaza.

I've been a DU member more than 23 years, but don't recall EVER seeing a legitimate member of this community urging to vote against the Democrat in a general election.

Heated arguments regarding the qualities and policies of Democratic candidates and office holders, but criticism isn't the same as witholding a vote.

They are part of the reason we, and the world, are now suffering from Tyrant Trump!

So, I will join in the chorus of "FUCK YOU!".

For all of the idiots who voted for trump or did not vote because of Gaza, this is a big FAFO

Link to tweet

* and not even bothering to shit-on or criticize Trump as bitterly as they did to Biden and Harris. What's up with that? I thought this was an issue that was near-and-dear. But apparently the outrage is selective and varies from year to year.

Solidarity.

"* whatever-issue-is-hot (or whatever candidate is making news). Just click here."

Ugh. I hate opportunistic fundraising on the backs of Democrats and fueled by contempt of Democrats and the Democratic party.

Solidarity, indeed. 🤢

Enough already.