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applegrove

(130,238 posts)
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:50 PM May 2025

Trump's Free Plane Is Not So Free

Trump’s Free Plane Is Not So Free

May 13, 2025 at 3:45 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 3 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2025/05/13/trumps-free-plane-is-not-so-free/


“President Donald Trump insists he’s getting a ‘free, very expensive airplane’ from Qatar’s royal family. But it’s not much of a gift for the American taxpayer,” Politico reports.

“The Qatari Defense Ministry is talking to the White House about transferring the luxury-configured Boeing jet to the Pentagon, which would oversee its retrofitting into a makeshift Air Force One. But a private contractor would have to rip it apart to turn the jet into a flying White House for the president with secure communications and classified upgrades, according to former Air Force officials and lawmakers, an expensive and complicated prospect that could cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.”
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Trump's Free Plane Is Not So Free (Original Post) applegrove May 2025 OP
Elon knows a guy underpants May 2025 #1
"Taking it down to the 'studs'" is how some of the defense folks have described it and even then... hlthe2b May 2025 #2
That would be completely unnecessary, ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2025 #13
Talk about a white elephant... nitpicked May 2025 #3
He's going to try and take it with him when he inevitably leaves. marble falls May 2025 #4
IF he leaves. Nt Trueblue Texan May 2025 #20
He'll leave on foot or foot first. He gotta leave. marble falls May 2025 #21
That's the deal. TomSlick May 2025 #24
Palace? Leave the United States out of it C_U_L8R May 2025 #5
I assume Trumps plan is take it, park it Johonny May 2025 #6
Hey! What happened to AF-1 with the new no_hypocrisy May 2025 #7
Yup, I thought there was a new one already in the works. GoCubsGo May 2025 #10
I can never figure out how money stillcool May 2025 #8
See this The Register article and another deep dive. erronis May 2025 #9
A jumblow job... BattleRow May 2025 #11
And the award for snarkiest post goes to ....... 70sEraVet May 2025 #16
Cums with a golden shower parachute! 70sEraVet May 2025 #18
I hope he hires the same quality of help to remodel and fly his Flying Palace as he hired to run the government. Midnight Writer May 2025 #12
Yeah. Get the doge boys to take the cock pit. Big Balls - Chief Officer. erronis May 2025 #14
It's a boondoggle bribe. Martin68 May 2025 #15
Here's the worst part jmowreader May 2025 #17
Be easier if Qatar just went back to traditional methods of Trump bribes -- 70sEraVet May 2025 #19
I disagree about the amount of retrofitting needed. Shipwack May 2025 #22
How much more fuel does it need because it is carrying all that rococo applegrove May 2025 #23
Turning Qatari 747 into Air Force One could cost $1 billion and take years, experts say LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #25
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #26

hlthe2b

(112,802 posts)
2. "Taking it down to the 'studs'" is how some of the defense folks have described it and even then...
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:06 PM
May 2025

are not sure it could be rendered 100% safe from invasive spying tech...

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,594 posts)
13. That would be completely unnecessary, ...
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:58 PM
May 2025

... because the security is managed by Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth. I'm sure they'll declare it "secure enough for government purposes"

nitpicked

(1,591 posts)
3. Talk about a white elephant...
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:06 PM
May 2025

And there would have to be a lot of money spent to render this "fit for use".

TomSlick

(12,879 posts)
24. That's the deal.
Tue May 13, 2025, 07:11 PM
May 2025

When Trump leaves office, the flying brothel is to be to be transferred to the Trump library for his personal use.

There is no doubt this is a personal gift to Trump and, therefore, a violation of the Emoluments Clause.

C_U_L8R

(48,863 posts)
5. Palace? Leave the United States out of it
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:22 PM
May 2025

We don't do palaces. If Trump wants to take this golden turkey, he's free to personally accept the bribe and pay for all its upkeep and consequences himself. But the USA does not need or want this flying POS. No way.

no_hypocrisy

(54,269 posts)
7. Hey! What happened to AF-1 with the new
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:57 PM
May 2025

paint job? You know . . . Red/white/blue, Old Glory and a couple of eagles.

GoCubsGo

(34,663 posts)
10. Yup, I thought there was a new one already in the works.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:47 PM
May 2025

Trump wanted it painted up like his personal 757 heap, rather than the colors and patterns of the current AF1. Did the DOGEbags cancel that, too?

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
8. I can never figure out how money
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:08 PM
May 2025

goes about being washed, but for some reason this seems it might be in that kind of category.

erronis

(22,651 posts)
9. See this The Register article and another deep dive.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:41 PM
May 2025
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/13/presidents_trump_747_qatar/
"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office and probably later than the existing planned replacements," said Aboulafia. "It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."


https://www.twz.com/air/turning-qatars-gifted-747-into-air-force-one-will-be-anything-but-free

Midnight Writer

(25,145 posts)
12. I hope he hires the same quality of help to remodel and fly his Flying Palace as he hired to run the government.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:55 PM
May 2025

erronis

(22,651 posts)
14. Yeah. Get the doge boys to take the cock pit. Big Balls - Chief Officer.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:59 PM
May 2025

Musk can hand out the chemicals in the flight deck and cabin.

I can see a great movie made of this final flight....

jmowreader

(52,898 posts)
17. Here's the worst part
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:10 PM
May 2025

Trump's claimed justification for wanting this jet is that it's taking too long for Boeing to convert the two 747s into VC-25Bs. This is understandable: not only are they having trouble getting enough people cleared to Yankee White so they can do the work. the work essentially involves stripping the jets down to the frame and completely rebuilding them. It would have been ultimately cheaper to do new-build and let Boeing convert the Transaero planes into freighters - which is what the last few 747s made were.

It's going to take even longer to convert the Qatari Bribe into a usable executive transport than it is to convert the Transaero planes because this one's gaudier.

Another huge issue: The Air Force unit responsible for presidential transport has at least two examples of every type in their fleet. By accepting this aircraft and using it as Air Force One, they'll only have one 747. That won't work.

70sEraVet

(5,225 posts)
19. Be easier if Qatar just went back to traditional methods of Trump bribes --
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:20 PM
May 2025

Like buying outrageously over-priced properties from his 'company', or doing a brown paper-bag exchange at one of his golf courses.
If it works, don't fix it!

Shipwack

(2,995 posts)
22. I disagree about the amount of retrofitting needed.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:42 PM
May 2025

Trump has already shown that he considers secure electronic equipment unnecessary. Think of how much money we’ll save by not installing it

If you look at it with the business savvy* of Trump, we’re actually making hundreds of millions of dollars off this deal!
(Do I really need to include the ?)

*

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,901 posts)
25. Turning Qatari 747 into Air Force One could cost $1 billion and take years, experts say
Tue May 13, 2025, 07:24 PM
May 2025

Plane has been available on an unprotected runway for a long time for various groups to plant spyware and tracking devices. This plane may have to stripped down to the frame to check for extra hardware/spyware. It will NOT be cheap to get this plane to be ready to be Air Force One.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/turning-qatari-747-air-force-one-cost-1-billion-take-years-experts-say-rcna206582

Converting a Qatari-owned 747 jet into a new Air Force One for President Donald Trump would involve installing multiple top-secret systems, cost over $1 billion and take years to complete, three aviation experts told NBC News.

They said that accepting the 13-year-old jet would likely cost U.S. taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars over time, noting that refurbishing the commercial plane would exceed its current value of $400 million. The project might also not be completed by the end of Trump’s term in 2029, at which time the plane is expected to be handed over to Trump’s presidential library foundation.

Richard Aboulafia, an analyst and consultant on commercial and military aviation, said he thought turning the Qatari jetliner into Air Force One would cost billions and take years.

“You’re taking a 747, disassembling it, reassembling it, and then jacking it up to a very high level,” said Aboulafia, a managing director at AeroDynamic Advisory, a consulting firm......

The Qatari jumbo jet would have to be effectively dismantled, part by part, to ensure there were no listening devices, spyware or other security vulnerabilities that could allow foreign powers to eavesdrop on the president’s plane.

It would then have to be fitted with costly, sophisticated systems for secure government communications, midair refueling, missile defense, countering electronic jamming and protecting against electro-magnetic pulse attack. There would likely need to be quarters added for White House medical staff and the Secret Service.
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