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erronis

(22,637 posts)
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:00 AM May 2025

Newark airport had three air traffic controllers on duty instead of 14 -- The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/13/newark-airport-air-traffic-controllers

On Monday evening the airport had far fewer than the 14 controllers agreed on between the union and regulators

New Jersey’s Newark Liberty airport, one of three major airports serving New York City, had just three air traffic controllers on duty on Monday, which was well short of the 14 called for and forced air regulators to delay arriving flights for up to seven hours.

The air traffic controller shortfall, first reported by the New York Times, comes amid a growing number of problems for the hub. In a little more than a week, Newark has suffered three communications blackouts, rendering the control tower unable to track or communicate with planes for up to 90 seconds.

The most recent failure, on Sunday morning, came as government and airline officials have made multiple efforts to reassure airline passengers that flying into or out of the airport is safe.

But on Monday evening, during the 3pm to 10pm shift, the group that manages Newark air traffic from Philadelphia was operating with one or two fully certified controllers, the outlet reported – far fewer than the 14 controllers agreed on between the controllers union and air traffic control regulators.

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Newark airport had three air traffic controllers on duty instead of 14 -- The Guardian (Original Post) erronis May 2025 OP
Well, at least they are probably all white males. That's all that counts with maga Walleye May 2025 #1
Don't be too hard on yourself, Walleye. calimary May 2025 #11
Thank you. We all need that kind of understanding. These are tough times. Walleye May 2025 #12
has anyone traveled by train? I need a vacation but i will be damned if i fly... samnsara May 2025 #2
We once took the train from Seattle to Vancouver, BC. That was slow, but nice. surfered May 2025 #5
In America, we just can't have nice things anymore, zorbasd May 2025 #6
Someday I'm gonna pack a bag & hop the first California Zephyr that pulls into Union Station in Denver. 🚂🧳 CrispyQ May 2025 #7
We loved it! susanr516 May 2025 #8
I was coming back from fishing in Alaska one year with my boyfriend. We hit a $2500 exacta at the track in Seattle. Walleye May 2025 #13
I've traveled all over the USA with Amtrak Trailrider1951 May 2025 #16
If you have a lot of patience and in no hurry, it's great IronLionZion May 2025 #18
We use Amtrak often. Torchlight May 2025 #27
Alexandria to Boston DET May 2025 #31
Holy Carp!!! surfered May 2025 #3
And I'm sure Muskolini's FAA will get right on it. ananda May 2025 #4
We have a Fox News host in charge of the DOT. Initech May 2025 #10
Any area of government that doesn't? ananda May 2025 #14
Yes and they seem to be getting worse with each election. Initech May 2025 #17
Fox as a marketing program for Putin and white supremacy... ananda May 2025 #30
Pete Buttigieg (sp) requested money for more air traffic controllers gab13by13 May 2025 #9
Maga Iamscrewed May 2025 #15
Because they fired the rest of them? IronLionZion May 2025 #19
Perhaps Reply #9 could be a factor? erronis May 2025 #20
The DOT/FAA has been screaming for money for decades SpankMe May 2025 #24
We changed our pending flights (for a visit to NYC) from Newark to JFK last week. deurbano May 2025 #21
The Commodore 64 failed. twodogsbarking May 2025 #22
Musk be like, sounds like 2 too many. Johonny May 2025 #23
Republicans love understaffing Warpy May 2025 #25
Why Newark? Starbeach May 2025 #26
Since the radar and comms don't work, I guess it doesn't matter how many controllers are working. rsdsharp May 2025 #28
Is that why Transportation Sec wouldn't fly into there? Attilatheblond May 2025 #29

Walleye

(43,807 posts)
1. Well, at least they are probably all white males. That's all that counts with maga
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:05 AM
May 2025

Of course I don’t know if they were or not. I’m just guessing. I have gotten so cynical from all this shit I’ve become willing to believe the worst of anybody.

calimary

(89,027 posts)
11. Don't be too hard on yourself, Walleye.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:00 AM
May 2025

Your misgivings are completely understandable.

Walleye

(43,807 posts)
12. Thank you. We all need that kind of understanding. These are tough times.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:03 AM
May 2025

Especially those of us who have fought all our lives for equality

samnsara

(18,718 posts)
2. has anyone traveled by train? I need a vacation but i will be damned if i fly...
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:07 AM
May 2025

...at least if I take an Alaskan Cruise I just have to drive 2 hours to Seattle.

surfered

(11,462 posts)
5. We once took the train from Seattle to Vancouver, BC. That was slow, but nice.
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:16 AM
May 2025

We wish the US had high speed trains like Europe.

zorbasd

(514 posts)
6. In America, we just can't have nice things anymore,
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:28 AM
May 2025

and any nice things remaining from the New Deal, must be destroyed.....

CrispyQ

(40,664 posts)
7. Someday I'm gonna pack a bag & hop the first California Zephyr that pulls into Union Station in Denver. 🚂🧳
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:34 AM
May 2025

I'll end up in Chicago or San Francisco, both cities I'd love to see.

https://www.denver.org/blog/post/california-zephyr/

susanr516

(1,499 posts)
8. We loved it!
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:41 AM
May 2025

The only downside is Amtrak trains are notorious for delays. Our bucket trip was traveling from San Antonio to Chicago for a couple of days, then we took the California Zephyr to San Francisco. Stayed with a friend for four days, then took the Coast Starlight down to Los Angeles. We just stayed one night there, and back to San Antonio. We got a roomett. It was small, but we couldn't afford a larger sleeper.
Best part was just sitting and watching the scenery. No worries about maps or road conditions, just enjoying the ride.

Walleye

(43,807 posts)
13. I was coming back from fishing in Alaska one year with my boyfriend. We hit a $2500 exacta at the track in Seattle.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:06 AM
May 2025

So we took first class Amtrak all the way back to NYC, 3days with a little room and a shower and everything. It was glorious, you go to sleep and wake up 500 miles later. This was back in the 80s, but I still recommend it. It’s a great way to travel. I’ve been all over the country on Amtrak. It used be cool. I don’t know it how is now.

Trailrider1951

(3,561 posts)
16. I've traveled all over the USA with Amtrak
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:18 AM
May 2025

It's a very relaxing way to travel, more of a social or party atmosphere. True, the trains often run late, usually because of freight train traffic or mechanical issues. But it is a very civilized way to travel, even in coach. The seats are wider and more comfortable than the airplane seats, with much more leg room. There is no check-in process, no metal detector security line, you just show up a few minutes before boarding, with every effort made to keep families or groups together. That describes travel by coach. If you get a sleeper, it's much more private and all of your meals are included in the price. I'd much rather travel by train than fly.

IronLionZion

(50,813 posts)
18. If you have a lot of patience and in no hurry, it's great
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:32 AM
May 2025

Train travel in the US is fine if you like the relaxing scene routes. It takes a long time outside of a few high speed corridors on the east coast.

Torchlight

(6,303 posts)
27. We use Amtrak often.
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:08 PM
May 2025

Three or four trips a year to MO and IL from TX make it a no-brainer. Less expensive, so much more convenient, fewer people = no crowds. Every time, we get a typical 24-person (?) coach car and share it with maybe seven or eight others at most. Bring our snacks/drinks. No hidden charges for wi-fi, baggage, or bathroom visits (won't surprise me when (not if) airlines begin charging for that last one).

No stress, less expensive, and positively calming at the expense of 36 hours (the amount of hours we'd otherwise waste napping in the hotel room or some such). For us, the train is a major relaxant. I'd recommend it to anyone.

DET

(2,366 posts)
31. Alexandria to Boston
Tue May 13, 2025, 03:07 PM
May 2025

Didn’t feel like flying so I decided to take Amtrak. I think it took about twelve hours. I’m pretty fidgety and I thought I was going to go crazy. The trains are very nice, the ride was smooth, but I would not recommend a long train ride if you get bored or restless easily.

Initech

(107,393 posts)
10. We have a Fox News host in charge of the DOT.
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:52 AM
May 2025

And a dangerously unqualified ass kissing idiot on top of that.

ananda

(34,381 posts)
14. Any area of government that doesn't?
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:11 AM
May 2025

That seems to be the only kind of people
they have.

Initech

(107,393 posts)
17. Yes and they seem to be getting worse with each election.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:23 AM
May 2025

No way in hell would lunatics like Hageman, Mullin or Tuberville been elected 15 years ago. Now it seems like all you have to do to be qualified in republican land is kiss Trump's ass and repent on Fox News daily.

I got shit a while back for comparing Fox to a multi-level marketing program and my theory still stands.

gab13by13

(31,174 posts)
9. Pete Buttigieg (sp) requested money for more air traffic controllers
Tue May 13, 2025, 10:47 AM
May 2025

and Congressional Magats voted it down because it would have been a win for Biden.

Now Magats are blaming Biden. See how they roll?

SpankMe

(3,658 posts)
24. The DOT/FAA has been screaming for money for decades
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:12 PM
May 2025

Under Repub and Dem administrations, the executive has been sounding the alarm and asking for budget to re-do the ATC system for decades. The budget requests have sometimes been stopped by the OMB before getting into proposed legislation, or it's been removed by congress even when it gets through OMB. Those idiots didn't see it as a priority.

While it's possible that some accidents may happen that would motivate congress to act, I suspect that a bigger motivator might be when some airlines decline to operate in airspace that lacks adequate ATC resources. When airlines stop operating out of JFK/LGA/Liberty/Teterboro, people will scream and the congressional asshole brigade may wake up.

The reason it might get done now is so that Trump can get a win. I'm curious to see how congressional Dems would handle that.

deurbano

(2,980 posts)
21. We changed our pending flights (for a visit to NYC) from Newark to JFK last week.
Tue May 13, 2025, 11:43 AM
May 2025

Looks like we made the right decision!

Warpy

(114,381 posts)
25. Republicans love understaffing
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:39 PM
May 2025

beccause they sere every dollar paid to a worker as a dollar that is wasted.

They really don't get it, not at all.

Starbeach

(291 posts)
26. Why Newark?
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:00 PM
May 2025

Why Newark Airport so deprived?
And why Newark with the ICE harassment of the mayor too?


NJ on the verge of a momentous Governor's race this year (I support Rep. Mikie Sherrill). And the Dem primary on June 10th around the corner. Trump just endorsed one of the GOPs this week.

Are the Feds hellbent on targeting Newark and NJ for chaos?

rsdsharp

(11,788 posts)
28. Since the radar and comms don't work, I guess it doesn't matter how many controllers are working.
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:09 PM
May 2025
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