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littlemissmartypants

(31,249 posts)
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:59 PM Apr 2025

About the blue suits...

Why Donald Trump and Prince William are wearing blue at Pope's funeral as viewers fume

Jamie Shapiro
13:05, 26 Apr 2025

Snip...there may be a very good reason for the choice of attire — neither Trump or Wills are Catholic.

Roman Catholicism is steeped in tradition, and this means there are some solid rules for what to wear to a Catholic funeral.The traditional attire for a Catholic funeral is black as it is the colour of mourning, and it is a way to show respect for the recently deceased.

Other religions aren't as stringent on wearing black, despite it more often than not being the done thing.

Trump is nondenominational Christian and Wills is Church of England. Their decision to not wear black might be as a symbol of their lack of Catholicism.
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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/donald-trump-prince-william-wearing-35123488

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About the blue suits... (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 OP
And Biden's blue tie? n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #1
People May not have known creon Apr 2025 #2
Instructions were sent. niyad Apr 2025 #3
The article implies... littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2025 #18
Trump is nondenominational Christian? Straw Man Apr 2025 #4
IKR! littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #6
Right? hannah Apr 2025 #8
tRump probably doesn't even know bif Apr 2025 #22
I'm not even religious and I've never seen a funeral where black wasn't worn. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #7
When in Rome, do as the Romans do Intractable Apr 2025 #9
Biden BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #10
Wow! Interesting point. I'm so sorry about that! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #11
Thanks BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #12
wth? 😹 Meowmee Apr 2025 #15
I agree BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #16
Right, I understand now Meowmee Apr 2025 #20
I BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #21
His suit was black - BUT - his tie was blue (also against protocol). Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #25
I disagree BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #28
Because if the nature of black, Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #32
Hmmmmmm malaise Apr 2025 #13
She was raised Catholic. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #14
I hate them all malaise Apr 2025 #17
He looks like an albino frog Maru Kitteh Apr 2025 #37
You nearly killed me😂😂 malaise Apr 2025 #38
Maybe, but I'd take anything the (UK) Daily Star says with a boulder of salt. sl8 Apr 2025 #19
I forgot to check that. Thanks for sharing this. 👍 ❤️ littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #34
Prince William was in a dark blue suit. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2025 #23
re: blue suits TnDem Apr 2025 #24
Lots of blue suits in that photo. Navy blue is OK for funerals in most places. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #30
Trump doesn't think that hard CanonRay Apr 2025 #26
It's probably the only one he has. Usually looks like he slept in it. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #31
Oh for fuckssake Prairie Gates Apr 2025 #27
To many it's been a big deal. I think it's ridiculous. I probably should've posted it in humor. ... littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #35
Personally claudette Apr 2025 #29
It's a cultural thing. Not every culture associates black and mourning EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #33
May be true but claudette Apr 2025 #36

littlemissmartypants

(31,249 posts)
5. The article implies...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:56 AM
Apr 2025

If you're not Catholic, black wasn't required. Dark blue is implied as acceptable otherwise. I haven't been able to find the actual dress code for the event but it was apparently shared in advance with the attendees.

❤️

Response to creon (Reply #2)

Straw Man

(6,920 posts)
4. Trump is nondenominational Christian?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:45 AM
Apr 2025

More like a self-professed Christian, with absolutely no other way to make a claim to the designation.

Crunchy Frog

(28,207 posts)
7. I'm not even religious and I've never seen a funeral where black wasn't worn.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:59 AM
Apr 2025

Looks to me like a lame excuse.

I don't care about William since he's not a head of state and he's never attacked Zelenskyy for not wearing a suit. Not letting Trump off the hook though.

If you look at pics from the funeral of Elizabeth II, almost everyone is wearing black. Pretty sure it's a cultural norm in the West, and not a specifically Catholic thing.


Intractable

(1,495 posts)
9. When in Rome, do as the Romans do
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:09 AM
Apr 2025

From Google ...

The saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" means to adapt to and respect the customs of a place or situation, particularly when visiting a new or unfamiliar location. It encourages being adaptable and following the local norms.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Adaptation and Respect:
The phrase emphasizes the importance of adapting to local customs and traditions to avoid appearing rude or disrespectful, especially when visiting a new place.

Following Local Practices:
It suggests that you should behave in a way that is consistent with how the people in that place behave, whether it's in terms of manners, dress, or everyday habits.
Origin and Meaning:
The saying is often attributed to Saint Ambrose, who advised his followers to follow Roman fasting customs when visiting Rome.
Shortened Form:
The saying is often shortened to "When in Rome".
General Application:
While it's most commonly used in the context of travel or visiting a new place, it can also be used in situations where you're in a new or unfamiliar setting, such as a new job or social group.
Examples:
If you're visiting a country where eating with your hands is common, you might follow suit, even if it's not your normal practice.
Respectful Behavior:
The saying also implies a degree of respect for the local culture and its norms.
Avoiding Attention:
It can also be seen as a way of avoiding drawing unnecessary attention to yourself by standing out from the locals.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
15. wth? 😹
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 05:31 AM
Apr 2025

I thought B's suit looked like dark navy blue when seen next to a black suit like what JB wore etc. It is often hard to tell the difference until you see the two together.

Not that I normally care much about what people wear most of the time etc.

It seemed like a lot of the dignitaries had darker blue suits on etc. I also noticed in the regular audience many people were wearing their street cloths of many different colors/t shirts etc.

I'm not defending psycho for sure... just commenting on what the color appeared to be to me. Psycho's suit did look like a brighter blue to me but not as bright as some of those close ups etc.

Anyway we have far worse to worry about than what psycho or anyone wears. His suits always look very ill fitted to me.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
16. I agree
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:02 AM
Apr 2025

Biden's looked dark navy blue.

My point is, it wasn't black which is customary for Catholics traditionally in Italy (at least it was) so I was surprised he didn't wear a black suit. I expected no less than a clown suit from trump. At least his wife was dressed as I would have expected. I understand norms are changing, but that doesn't mean we still can't have some sort of tradition at times I would hope.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
20. Right, I understand now
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:19 AM
Apr 2025

I am not familiar with different color requirements for all of the different funerals really. I have not been to many. I went to two wakes, sort of wakes, of a friend and a friend's mil, I don't remember what people wore to be honest. I don't remember what I wore then to either, lol.

I just wear darker colors at funerals. I went to my friend's funeral in a Jewish funeral house 2 years ago and I think not everyone was dressed in dark colors, it was in August. I think I wore an olive greenish outfit for my grandmother's funeral which was in a Canadian synagogue. No one really said much about what to wear. I also went to a former boss' funeral in a huge synagogue ceremony. Again, I wore something dark etc. My grandmother's funeral was huge too, the ceremony part. Less people go to the burial.

I'm glad I am not the only one who saw B's suit was dark navy blue 😁 I think someone said wearing blue would be a sign of respect for the Madonna which I know from my art history etc.- she is always depicted in a blue robe/dress so people know who she is... most of the time she wears a pink/red dress and a blue robe/cloak.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
21. I
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:35 AM
Apr 2025

I went to a Jewish funeral service once and I was given a yarmulke to wear. I had no problem with that as it was a sign of respect.

Ms. Toad

(38,062 posts)
25. His suit was black - BUT - his tie was blue (also against protocol).
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:24 AM
Apr 2025

I made that comment several times yesterday. Not only that - but Zelinskyy didn't even wear a suit.

Complaining about Trump's lack of class for what he wore is just as petty as it was when Trump and company complained about Zelinskyy's disrespect for protocol when he visited.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
28. I disagree
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:28 AM
Apr 2025

His suit was dark blue. His wife's dress was black and you can tell the difference since they were side by side. There was a photo posted and it was obvious. Not trying to argue with you, but others saw it as well.

Edit:

Let me see if I can link to the pic. I never did this before

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20270858

Ms. Toad

(38,062 posts)
32. Because if the nature of black,
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:12 PM
Apr 2025

It will always shade toward red or blue. Pure black, in fabrics is nearly impossible to achieve. I still see black, on the bluer, rather than red end of the spectrum, but still black. If you're going by comparisons, compare the arm of his suit to the color of the black outfit on the person whose arm he is touching.

But regardless of his suit color, his tie is clearly blue, and it is supposed to be black, as well.

malaise

(291,948 posts)
17. I hate them all
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:17 AM
Apr 2025

I would not attend - but he had to be there and in the front row - typical arrogant American exceptionalism. No wonder so many people despise this shithound.
He should not even have been welcomed.

Maru Kitteh

(31,160 posts)
37. He looks like an albino frog
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:45 PM
Apr 2025

in a blue suit.

I was going to add something else about him - but I had to delete it.




leftyladyfrommo

(19,946 posts)
23. Prince William was in a dark blue suit.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:01 AM
Apr 2025

The Royals are very careful about being appropriately dressed.

Ocelot II

(128,730 posts)
30. Lots of blue suits in that photo. Navy blue is OK for funerals in most places.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:43 AM
Apr 2025

Trump's suit is more of a royal blue than navy, but it's the only suit he has, I think. I've never seen a photo of him in anything other than a baggy, ill-fitting, not-quite-navy-blue suit or golf clothes. Yes, he's a disrespectful slob, but slouching there looking like a passed-out drunk is a more serious breach of protocol than the wrong shade of blue if you ask me. And we certainly have bigger fish to fry anyhow.

littlemissmartypants

(31,249 posts)
35. To many it's been a big deal. I think it's ridiculous. I probably should've posted it in humor. ...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:27 PM
Apr 2025

But it would probably have been locked there because the topic is so radioactive.

Too few even consider fashion etiquette anymore. That aspect deserves discussion, imo.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
29. Personally
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:41 AM
Apr 2025

I don’t think religion plays any part in respectful attire at a funeral. Black is the color of mourning. Period.

EdmondDantes_

(1,272 posts)
33. It's a cultural thing. Not every culture associates black and mourning
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:40 PM
Apr 2025

Unsurprisingly many African cultures don't associate black and mourning.

But while we in the west generally do, guys also often wear black to happy events like weddings as the groom generally does.

If you want to get on Trump for his behavior, the falling asleep is right there.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
36. May be true but
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:12 PM
Apr 2025

This was Rome and black would be appropriate. Yuck. There is no way I would want to get ON Dump. Ever.

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