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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy prediction as to how this all ends.
At some point protests will begin in the streets. Probably limited at first to hundreds, or thousands. There will then be counter protest by Magas, which will no doubt lead to violence. This in turn, I believe, will lead to ever increasing protests with huge amounts of people in the hundreds of thousands or millions across the country. Magas will not have the numbers to counter this movement, which I believe will consist of the 75% of the country who are not trump cultists. At some point trump will be forced to call a massive military response. When that happens is when we find out what the US truly is. Will the military follow trump's orders, or will they stand down? Could be some of both, but the outcome will be decided by the which way the majority of the military goes.
Then either trump will resign in disgrace, or be forced out along with his corrupt administration. Luckily I'll be watching from Mexico where I've resided for the past ten years. Tienes suerta amigos.
stollen
(690 posts)...to remember their oaths (not to obey unlawful orders).
Tuberville held up military promotions of generals so Trump could fill them with sychophants. Fortunately, pressure caused Tuberville to give up the ruse after a year. One hopes none of our current generals are not Mike Flynn wannabes.
brush
(58,732 posts)Skittles
(161,633 posts)sheshe2
(89,387 posts)róisín_dubh
(11,953 posts)to any captured US personnel (just in case)
Hegseth should lead the charge, I might actually root for the Zetas in his particular case only.
elleng
(137,954 posts)AntiFascist
(13,015 posts)then we'll have a lot of military and former FBI who are really pissed. Add to that the growing number of MAGA who begin to realize that they have been duped...
JCMach1
(28,294 posts)Diraven
(1,215 posts)Purge the military of non-MAGA senior officers.
Nah. It's not 2017, everybody's too beaten down now.
Meadowoak
(6,358 posts)Think. Again.
(21,382 posts)...once the major corporations start feeling a pinch, they will begin reeling trumpco in.
Captain Zero
(7,669 posts)Buy Nothing Days
Buy Nothing Weekends
Buy Nothing Weeks
Buy No Gas Weekends.
Buy No Fastfood Weekends.
Make Small Payments Late Month.
Think. Again.
(21,382 posts)Hekate
(96,033 posts)Noisy and angry, but peaceful. And our opponents paid no attention, just went on with their war or plans to oppress women, or whatever their agenda was at the time.
Heres the difference with Trump this time: he glorifies violence, he wants violence, and the only thing that kept him from ordering his US Army to mow down all the protestors in DC the last time was that there were serious Generals like Millie.
This time, I have a sick feeling that he will order his army of violent insurrectionists (that he released from prison, so sworn to him personally) to mow down crowds of protestors.
Trumps not going to resign hes too useful as a figurehead to Project 2025 and the Billionaire Boys Club. Musk is rampaging all over the place, you may have noticed, and he was not elected and he cant be fired. Also, Trump is insane at this point but as I said, hes useful.
Rafi
(235 posts)People will die for sure. I don't know the exact scenario, but something along these lines seems likely to me.
Wicked Blue
(7,274 posts)I have no doubt that he would love to inflict extreme violence on protesters.
Captain Zero
(7,669 posts)Service workers could strike Musk by not servicing his needs. As he wanders about.
AKwannabe
(6,551 posts)He WANTS Marshal Law
And its obviously gonna happen
Unfortunate
Rafi
(235 posts)And I'm outta my mind. We'll see.
Thunderbeast
(3,591 posts)He has a sympthetic military (rank and file).
He has sympathetic police forces.
He has "Little Green Men" from ICE, Bureau of Prisons, Federal Marshalls.
He has militias just itching to use their private armories.
I hate being this pessimistic, but a successful "Blue Revolution" in the street is unlikely.
cbabe
(4,568 posts)Constitutional sheriffs could also be Marshall law.
Emile
(32,262 posts)hlthe2b
(107,734 posts)You might be right. I get that you still care.
But please remember that many people see the threats (and have for some time), who feel the fear intensely, yet have no means whatsoever to leave this country as you have--and are simply going to have to live through it. You are not one of them, and you feel rightfully lucky in that. But please don't add to their anxiety and fear by stressing this. They are not stupid and most did nothing to enable any of this to happen. They are trapped in a situation not of their own making.
Rafi
(235 posts)I had played professional basketball in Guadalajara in 1973, loved the people and climate and asked the wife if she'd want to try it out.
LOL. I doubt I'm adding to anyone's stress or fear. As you say, they are not stupid and I'm certainly not blaming most, except those who didn't care to vote.
I have friends and family that I love in the US and care what happens. I'm just expressing an opinion on what I fear may be coming.
Irish_Dem
(63,389 posts)The majority of Americans are MAGAs or don't care who leads the country.
And Trump will simply send out the military to end protests if they do occur.
thebigidea
(13,463 posts)Americans are too spread out in this massive country for it ever to affect much of anything. You can't shame Republicans, they aren't like the colonial British or something. They sure as fuck ain't LBJ.
Buckeyeblue
(5,776 posts)He's going to push and push until Republicans have had enough. But I'm not sure they'll do anything.
If the would convict him after J6 fiasco, I don't think they ever will.
But he will continue to push.
Emile
(32,262 posts)🤞
Wicked Blue
(7,274 posts)Luz
(814 posts)I don't see a good outcome
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,305 posts)Hm...street protests aren't very popular around here.
20 years ago (he now in his mid eighties) told me he thought eventually there would be another civil war in our country sooner than later. He was retired from the military-army. I always felt he leaned more democrat than republican, but more likely independent. I never asked him, and dont really want to know. I do have great respect for him though.
J_William_Ryan
(2,412 posts)Disagree.
Trump will remain until January 20, 2029 extremely unpopular and despised, his presidency as much a failure as his first, remembered as the worst president in US history.
The only question is: is this just Americas four year fling with fascism or is American democracy permanently gone.
calimary
(85,134 posts)We ALL need to face it, and answer it.
Kittycatkat
(1,746 posts)lose their federal jobs along with their pensions, lose their flood and fire insurance AND do not get help from FEMA, lose their landscapers, nannies, and house cleaners, have to deliver babies that are not viable . it will be the magats violently storming the capital, again. This time looking for trump and his people.
HereForTheParty
(588 posts)Can't imagine what color he'd turn.
58Sunliner
(5,167 posts)Johonny
(22,669 posts)Looting, food lines, and the complete collapse of the travel sector, service sector, energy sector . . . So Trump is going to have to work hard to top that. But he is on a nice track to do that. Because he is amazingly stupid and criminal.
C_U_L8R
(46,145 posts)All he'll leave behind is his rotten reputation and damage he's caused.
But the world will be free to move forward again.
calimary
(85,134 posts)I fear it may be inevitable - UNLESS trump tarnishes his name so thoroughly that even Repubs dont want nothing to do with him.
It happened after Nixon, albeit very briefly. Cuz we had a brief break with the brief era of President Ford. Then Ford failed to earn a four-year term of his own, and Jimmy Carter and the Dems took the White House. And with that, we had a brief break for honesty and sanity
before fucking Reagan came to power in 1980 and threw it all away. That slick Hollywood schtick just bowled everybody over.
😔😬😖
Well, ALMOST everybody.
C_U_L8R
(46,145 posts)Think. Again.
(21,382 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)Watch the unemployment numbers. That will be the driving force in any widespread political unrest. And when tariffs take hold, THAT'S what will happen. And it's all by design in the short term. And as expected, Trump doesn't prepare for the long term, so he's laying the groundwork for social conflicts that will spin out of control.
Polybius
(19,093 posts)The lowest disapproval rating he's ever had was in the mid-30's, and that was right after January 6th.
Rafi
(235 posts)Give him a year or so.
Oopsie Daisy
(5,177 posts)B.See
(4,334 posts)one day Trump and Musk will be dead, as is true for everyone. The question being, by the time that happens will it make any difference.
Even now MAGAts are putting into place notions of a third term, are working to entrench a one party, far reich, fascist rule.
Working to invalidate the vote (as they are now doing in NC) and at establishing a government of loyalists further empowered by a corrupt judiciary.
So, all considering, there are FEW ways something like that could end. And none of them pretty.
Besides, America HAD chances to "end" it. In November of 2016, immediately after January 6, 2021, and on November 7th.
Our present day hellscape is the one most Americans CHOSE to happen, or worse still, chose to LET happen.