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boston bean

(36,606 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 08:55 PM Monday

Where the fuck are the Democrats?

Praying? Hoping? Accepting? Protecting their seat? Not giving a shit?

I am angry with the party. And I believe their acquiescence and silence will damage this country as much as anything else.

Where the fuck are they?

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Where the fuck are the Democrats? (Original Post) boston bean Monday OP
So much for resist NT Tickle Monday #1
EVERYONE STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER! Bluethroughu Monday #103
This is a great way to begin a general strike, but they must be open ended as well. Magoo48 Tuesday #146
Of course...I just would like us all to support eachother and value Bluethroughu Tuesday #148
Yes, I agree. I think we see this in much the same way. If it's a peaceful action, I more than likely support it. Magoo48 Tuesday #152
Me too. Bluethroughu Tuesday #158
Im sure my credit card company will be completely understanding bluevoter4life Tuesday #149
We can be more positive. I want to see Pete on TV. Festivito Tuesday #164
I feel very alone right now. Mad_Machine76 Monday #2
There is absolutely no leadership. boston bean Monday #4
I was hoping Mad_Machine76 Monday #8
The tenor & tone was set early, when ex Speaker (but still power core) Pelosi put paid to AOC's bid for Ranking Member Celerity Monday #34
He looks like a cadaver wolfie001 Monday #63
So afraid that they'd rather see the country turn into a fascist hellhole, apparently. It pisses me the fuck off. Karasu Monday #74
If only the meek would follow the example of the strong. Magoo48 Tuesday #157
Holy shit. Brenda Tuesday #121
Doing a job on us,not a job for us. BattleRow Monday #55
Bingo. You answered your own question ... and KPN Monday #68
It's a vacuum NEOBuckeye Monday #72
And what should leadership be doing? krawhitham Tuesday #130
They should be leading by example. Shipwack Tuesday #140
Republicans controlled house at that point, what do we control? Not the ability to force a vote on anything krawhitham Tuesday #144
1000 recs Cirsium Tuesday #162
Democrats can't have votes on things moose65 Tuesday #169
That is so insulting Cirsium Tuesday #154
Do you think the GOP would be saying that if it were a Democrat doing all of this? hadEnuf Tuesday #155
kraw, you answered your own question Bobstandard Tuesday #187
Much of what he's doing is not legal. choie Tuesday #188
Throwing a fit in the media would be a good start. choie Tuesday #189
Yes, show their asses on TV non-stop and vent like the GOP does non-stop against us! tableturner Tuesday #192
The half dozen who are stepping up are being mocked by the silence and inaction of the rest. Magoo48 Tuesday #160
At least we're together in our aloneness. Intractable Monday #7
I found DU in the depths of the Bush era Mad_Machine76 Monday #14
The silence is deafening MustLoveBeagles Monday #13
Maybe they're sitting back and allowing BonnieJW Monday #50
But in terms of what it would do to whathehell Monday #104
Some can Cirsium Tuesday #207
I feel you. And you're not alone in feeling alone. Alice B. Monday #52
Scared that Republicans will put them in prison DSandra Tuesday #151
Working on their stock portfolios. CentralMass Monday #3
I'm not too happy with them either MustLoveBeagles Monday #5
Hell if I know. Politics Girl and others are yelling about their absolute silence. CousinIT Monday #6
working? stillcool Monday #9
I want leadership. Not silence and acquiescence. boston bean Monday #11
you want Chuck Schumer stillcool Monday #18
I want to hear what they plan to do. boston bean Monday #22
I can't quite believe it... stillcool Monday #23
There are many ways to message resistance boston bean Monday #28
I just saw Warren was on tv! stillcool Monday #38
Wow. LOL boston bean Monday #42
Bye orangecrush Monday #45
Thank you! betsuni Monday #71
Communication is not histrionics. The fact that you ridicule the notion that our leaders should communicate Scrivener7 Monday #73
I ridicule the language being used... stillcool Monday #78
You ridicule a question that is perfectly legitimate and try to shut down the discussion because you don't like it. Scrivener7 Monday #93
I question the ridiculing of the Democratic party stillcool Monday #96
The point of THIS OP is to ask where is the Democratic leadership. The question is legitimate. Scrivener7 Monday #100
Pot meet kettle Cirsium Tuesday #171
I am not attacking anyone stillcool Tuesday #175
Backward Cirsium Tuesday #179
your elected officials represent your state stillcool Tuesday #185
Wrong Cirsium Tuesday #193
Wrong. You elect your representatives stillcool Tuesday #199
Good grief Cirsium Tuesday #200
This message was self-deleted by its author stillcool Tuesday #201
They get blame because they do not fight like the GOP does, and they deserve it! tableturner Tuesday #195
maybe a miilitia would be a better fix stillcool Tuesday #197
Histrionics? Cirsium Tuesday #165
How can there be a 'plan' stillcool Tuesday #177
I was waiting orangecrush Monday #44
her stillcool Monday #48
Billionaire TV Inc will not let them build a resistance on their air. Justice matters. Monday #98
So? Cirsium Tuesday #174
The rooftop screaming has been echoing for years aka-chmeee Tuesday #184
There are very obvious harmful things happening. We have never had this happen before. boston bean Tuesday #186
Yes. Of course. I want Chuck Schumer to go on TV. Part of their job is communicating and leading the party. Scrivener7 Monday #70
Chuck Schumer on tv.... stillcool Monday #75
Then why did you spend all those posts ridiculing the notion, calling it "histrionics?" Scrivener7 Monday #79
It was my tone, I think. boston bean Monday #80
Given the situation and the near silence, I think your tone was perfectly appropriate. Scrivener7 Monday #82
Ty. boston bean Monday #83
I was responding to a post stillcool Monday #90
These are our elected leaders. They need to lead. They have been silent during the worst crisis Scrivener7 Monday #94
My Senators, and Congressman work for the people of my state. stillcool Monday #99
Sarcasm noted, but yes. You were wrong to ridicule a plea for communication from our leaders during Scrivener7 Monday #107
oh yeah...who are 'our' leaders? stillcool Monday #111
Really? Cirsium Tuesday #172
how original. stillcool Tuesday #178
That is funny to you? Cirsium Tuesday #180
yes it is...haven't heard it in years stillcool Tuesday #182
The "job" Cirsium Tuesday #147
My elected officials represent my state. stillcool Tuesday #183
Nope Cirsium Tuesday #196
And why can't they do it all? Going on TV doesn't work too well when ALL media is owned by the right wing. BComplex Tuesday #161
some do... stillcool Tuesday #181
Yup WTF are they? Clouds Passing Monday #10
We are here. We are the Dems. Stop bellyaching and do something. I just attended a small group meeting held in Jit423 Tuesday #210
Fantastic ideas Clouds Passing Tuesday #217
Strategizing. They know what to do about as much as you do. Pushback is one play. Better make it a good one. /nt bucolic_frolic Monday #12
If the Republicans were in the minority Mad_Machine76 Monday #15
Totally agree, Scubamatt Tuesday #135
One play? Mad_Machine76 Monday #16
Strategizing? choie Monday #25
Strategizing? Seriously? Orrex Monday #67
So much for strategizing during the last election... DSandra Tuesday #153
The three that jump out to me are all women. LuvLoogie Monday #17
Warren was just on Jen Psaki's show. I think she's good, too. electric_blue68 Monday #21
Then you haven't been watching Jamie Raskin True Dough Monday #36
I've been calling my Senators every day...crickets. likesmountains 52 Monday #19
It's a question I've been asking since election night. NewHendoLib Monday #20
It's astonishing. choie Monday #24
Only a select few kacekwl Monday #26
They're not the ones that will suffer choie Monday #27
you may be sure to note they have jacked up their money begging again via text and msongs Monday #29
I've blocked all the fundraising emails and texts. AllyCat Monday #66
Now when they ask for money, tonekat Tuesday #145
they have a lot of nerve Skittles Monday #76
Cashing in stocks before the crash? we can do it Monday #30
This centrist populism behavior is why we're in trouble. Emile Monday #31
Asking our leaders to communicate with us is centrist behavior? Do tell. Scrivener7 Monday #97
Nice spin Emile Tuesday #118
I am pretty sure that is not what Emile meant at all when they referred to centrist behaviour. Celerity Tuesday #206
Many are behind their keyboards asking me for money. n/t tinymontgomery Monday #32
Yep They sent timms139 Monday #89
Composing a strongly worded letter? nt R. P. McMurphy Monday #33
They know we don't have a country anymore, what is the point of incurring his wrath? Wingus Dingus Monday #35
If the plan is to just not have a country anymore boston bean Monday #39
There is no message. They're baffled and feeling their way around in the dark Wingus Dingus Monday #40
Call Dems, not just your own rep, leave messages vapor2 Monday #37
They're asking for money. milestogo Monday #41
Those phony surveys. But instead of a submit button, you get sent to ActBlue. Alice B. Monday #86
Every. Single. Time. milestogo Tuesday #124
Responses to the fundraiser emails won't get handed over to the legislators FakeNoose Tuesday #198
Why are you telling me this? milestogo Tuesday #203
Recommended. H2O Man Monday #43
How are you personally holding them accountable??? KatjeD Monday #46
Welcome KatjeD JMCKUSICK Monday #51
Why would you assume we are not doing these things? Scrivener7 Monday #77
At this point there is not a lot that can be done Nigrum Cattus Monday #47
The Republicans don't have that problem Cirsium Tuesday #173
Maybe they're looking to Moaning Joe for guidance JMCKUSICK Monday #49
Even Republican Adam Kinzinger is asking where they are. Nanjeanne Monday #53
Some say, keep the powder dry or it's someone elses turn PurgedVoter Monday #54
Problem solving with their FRIENDS across the aisle. (n/t) DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #56
LESSONS barbiegeek Monday #57
That's forbidden knowledge. Oneironaut Monday #58
It's infuriating. This really is a constitutional crisis Arazi Monday #59
Maybe the 'plan' is to let Trump run it off the rails. harumph Monday #60
Yep. The plan is let the morons who believed the felon's promises (groceries...) Justice matters. Monday #105
First, getting their securities trades in order. flvegan Monday #61
Post removed Post removed Monday #62
The chair is elected. It's a vote. Pelosi didn't "pick" anyone. Conspiracy theory. betsuni Monday #69
They lost, as everyone keeps reminding us, what they didn't do and should've done and betsuni Monday #64
No one is expecting a fix. boston bean Monday #65
I've seen Jamie Raskin EVERYWHERE EVERY DAY this week. I've seen Jasmine Crockett and AOC. LauraInLA Monday #101
Thank you. sheshe2 Tuesday #116
ive gotten a couple of fund raising texts in the past 2 days moonshinegnomie Monday #81
Being mostly ignored by media as usual. bullimiami Monday #84
We Need New Blood! Daleuhlmann Monday #85
Right where we voted them qazplm135 Monday #87
They're not powerless. They are the leaders of half the country. And we have not heard a word from Scrivener7 Monday #95
Hearing a word stops what? qazplm135 Tuesday #115
I don't understand the obsession with leadership. Do people really need to be told what to do, betsuni Tuesday #117
If the people thought we needed to start over...? kentuck Monday #88
i agree. Where are they? samsingh Monday #91
Hakeem Jeffries Karch Monday #92
I don't even know what this means XanaDUer2 Tuesday #136
Voters removed from the rolls Beck23 Monday #102
We are the party. The party is us. oldmanlynn Monday #106
Post removed Post removed Monday #108
Remember when there was an announcement that a big thing was going to be unveiled? And it turned out to be NBachers Monday #109
"Where the fuck are the Democrats?" LudwigPastorius Monday #110
Asking Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger what to do. (n/t) DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #112
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Monday #113
On his Countdown podcast KO said. Hassler Tuesday #114
Agree Meowmee Tuesday #119
I see them fighting to the extent they can in the minority. Patton French Tuesday #120
I agree. They are there to do a job. It's our job to bitch and moan. LeftInTX Tuesday #123
Well, with all this hate, this sounds like Palestinians versus Israel. LeftInTX Tuesday #122
As others have said, the plan may be to let Trump go off the rails TBF Tuesday #125
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #126
Fighting with each other as usual. MineralMan Tuesday #127
I hate to say it, but I have to ask the same question. LW1977 Tuesday #128
can you imaine how hard it is for the Dem Lawmakers to HAVE to be in samnsara Tuesday #129
No. It is in no way as hard for them as it is for us. boston bean Tuesday #139
They're right here: The Senate has voted 97-0 to invoke cloture on the nomination of Sean Duffy Passages Tuesday #131
We are supposed to chill out. God. Is. On. His. Throne. Irish_Dem Tuesday #132
The only way to get their message through is to stand united, every Democratic lawmaker, and make a joint statement. Doodley Tuesday #133
I'm glad Scubamatt Tuesday #134
It's about damned time to ask this question. They appear mesmerized by the bullshit. flashman13 Tuesday #137
I hear yeah but the American people put the Democrats in time out Takket Tuesday #138
Does Hakim Jefferies appear to be backing down? Flash953 Tuesday #141
Hmmm Cirsium Tuesday #168
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #142
Kick. Maru Kitteh Tuesday #143
If Dems don't want to defend its constituents, let another party do it DSandra Tuesday #150
I do not understand why anyone would advocate to "let another party do it" ... really? Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #191
If people hate this fictional Democratic Party they believe in like a religion so much, I say join the third parties. betsuni Tuesday #213
Preach! Praise! Amen sister! Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #214
Same question here claudette Tuesday #156
I'm here. I'm a Democrat. There is an advantage, in my view... NNadir Tuesday #159
Our nation is facing the biggest constitutional crisis of our lifetimes. The country we knew is being dismantled. Doodley Tuesday #163
Democrats have been very gutless kansasobama Tuesday #166
Understand here on out: institutional resistance is going to do little... JCMach1 Tuesday #167
Figuring out messaging to leverage citizen angst into cash flow into their coffers. TransitJohn Tuesday #170
I think a large part Katcat Tuesday #176
Be the change you want to see. Links... Hekate Tuesday #190
Thank you SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #205
Thank you! betsuni Tuesday #208
I wasn't going to come back to this thread. sheshe2 Tuesday #211
Check today's news Lulu KC Tuesday #194
Probably waiting for some other Democrat to do something. Progressive dog Tuesday #202
I wrote to my new Rep Dave Min. SleeplessinSoCal Tuesday #204
That's what I'd like to know. Susan Calvin Tuesday #209
Don't forget that the "Bully Pulpit" is real - everything the blob says and does will get attention walkingman Tuesday #212
The power of chaos -- the sheer number... pat_k Tuesday #215
They are Pushing Back hannah Tuesday #216

Bluethroughu

(6,460 posts)
103. EVERYONE STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:21 PM
Monday

This is our game now get in it!

General Strike Feb 14th do nothing, buy nothing, pay nothing!

Nobody gets a F-#$%ing dime! Until money is restored, and orange anus/vance resign, and the Republicans resign for being party to the coup...6 SCOTUS get out! Go to Russia.

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
146. This is a great way to begin a general strike, but they must be open ended as well.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 02:50 PM
Tuesday

They will be imperfect, but with peer encouragement and support, they can provide they can be a growing assault on their bottom line.

Bluethroughu

(6,460 posts)
148. Of course...I just would like us all to support eachother and value
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 02:57 PM
Tuesday

The feelings of everyone. This is f-#$ing frightening and people will die because these Republicans and der leader are careless anti-American...time to start the offensive and get them running in circles.

Open to everything.

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
152. Yes, I agree. I think we see this in much the same way. If it's a peaceful action, I more than likely support it.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:14 PM
Tuesday

Bluethroughu

(6,460 posts)
158. Me too.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:17 PM
Tuesday

If we stay home, they can not blame us for rightwing purposeful chaos to blame on antifa or BLM.

bluevoter4life

(793 posts)
149. Im sure my credit card company will be completely understanding
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:05 PM
Tuesday

When I fail to pay my balance because of civil disobedience.

Festivito

(13,641 posts)
164. We can be more positive. I want to see Pete on TV.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:31 PM
Tuesday

Not: Where is Pete? Instead: He's contacting hosts!
You want Shumer, SAY SO.

Mad_Machine76

(24,814 posts)
8. I was hoping
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:03 PM
Monday

the Dems were spending time over the holidays gearing up for resistance but I’m really doubtful of that rn

Celerity

(47,553 posts)
34. The tenor & tone was set early, when ex Speaker (but still power core) Pelosi put paid to AOC's bid for Ranking Member
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:37 PM
Monday

of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and instead threw all her weight and massive influence behind the esophageal cancer-diagnosed (and he has refused to state what stage it is) septuagenarian Gerry Connolly (who, when asked why he should be the Dem top member on the committee said it was because it was his turn, his chance).


wolfie001

(3,965 posts)
63. He looks like a cadaver
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:21 PM
Monday

And I've never been to medical school. Yipers. I like the guy but AOC would have been such a better choice. I think the billionaires sent Pelosi and this guy a memo. They're afraid of AOC and Progressives in general.

Karasu

(439 posts)
74. So afraid that they'd rather see the country turn into a fascist hellhole, apparently. It pisses me the fuck off.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:41 PM
Monday

Brenda

(1,396 posts)
121. Holy shit.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:19 AM
Tuesday

This is the first I heard and saw him.

AOC was THE WAY FORWARD but the old soon to be dead guard decided to play favorites and fuck us all.

Really, what difference is there?

KPN

(16,268 posts)
68. Bingo. You answered your own question ... and
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:29 PM
Monday

currently I agree. I’m hoping that someone or some group of Democratic Party folks steps forward and fills that gaping hole soon. In reality though, it may take some time, maybe longer than my remaining lifetime at 74. But I am optimistic that it will happen, whether it occurs in the Democratic Party or in a progressive off-shoot. I feel certain that will someday happen.

krawhitham

(4,926 posts)
130. And what should leadership be doing?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:48 AM
Tuesday

Throwing a fit on TV, because that all they got.

Most of what he is doing is legal, and the little that's not comes with zero penalty. The Inspectors General Purge, sure it's illegal without warning congress but there is no build in punishment

Besides showing there ass on TV what do you think they should be doing?

Shipwack

(2,393 posts)
140. They should be leading by example.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:45 PM
Tuesday

Remember during the Obama years when the Republicans wanted to eliminate the ACA? Every day, they voted on it. Yes, they had no chance of succeeding, but they held votes on it.

Every. Single. Day.

They knew it wasn't going to pass. You know why they they did this?

1) To show what they believed in
2) To energize their base
3) To keep in the news and occupy the news of the day.

We need to be doing something, all the time. We have to push back on everything. There should be -no- Democrat votes on these incompetent, corrupt cabinet appointees. Sure, give someone like Rubio some votes, but not the rest. Keep the caucus unified.

Trump has already done at least three impeachable things. We should be at least talking about this possibility, if not actually filing the paperwork. Instead, we're mumbling complaints like the guy in Office Space who had his stapler stolen.

krawhitham

(4,926 posts)
144. Republicans controlled house at that point, what do we control? Not the ability to force a vote on anything
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 02:29 PM
Tuesday

You need control of the house to impeach, we don't have that. So we can't impeach him unless a few GOP house members switch parties. (then you need 67 senators)


Buckle up, all we can do is vote in 2 years and hope we can give Dems back control of something. Right now they are powerless, they warned us this would happen if he won. Shame many did not believe it

moose65

(3,349 posts)
169. Democrats can't have votes on things
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:50 PM
Tuesday

The Dems do not control either House of congress. They have no power to bring ANYTHING to a vote.

Next idea??

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
154. That is so insulting
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:14 PM
Tuesday

"Throwing a fit on TV?" You are dismissing the value of communication? You are dismissing the many, many loyal Democrats who are urging stronger stands from the Democrats? Can you defend Democrats voting for any of Trump's nominees? You would minimize the extent of the crisis and the reign of terror millions of people are now under?

No? Then what are you trying to say with your nasty little "throwing a fit on TV" remark? You are mocking those who have legitimate criticism about the performance of our elected representatives in this unprecedented crisis and trying to shut down this vital discussion.

It is our civic duty and moral obligation to hold those in power to account at all times, but especially now. Millions of lives are at stake.

hadEnuf

(2,905 posts)
155. Do you think the GOP would be saying that if it were a Democrat doing all of this?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:15 PM
Tuesday

We just don't have the guts.

Bobstandard

(1,782 posts)
187. kraw, you answered your own question
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:02 PM
Tuesday

You said:

Throwing a fit on TV, because that all they got


The answer is,

Because that’s all they, got they should be throwing a fit on tv


That’s the biggest tool they’ve got, they should be using it.

Plus they should be using fighting words like:
“He’s crazy.”
“That’s nuts”
“That’s unAmerican”
“That’s un-Christian”

Use the language regular people use and express the emotions we’re all feeling. Check could into DU once in a while to see what the base is thinking. Take back the narrative!

Or, yeah, wait until the next election when you find out you lost even more of your base.

choie

(4,938 posts)
189. Throwing a fit in the media would be a good start.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:52 PM
Tuesday

At least show US - their bosses - that they give a good goddamn.

tableturner

(1,771 posts)
192. Yes, show their asses on TV non-stop and vent like the GOP does non-stop against us!
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:08 PM
Tuesday

You have a defeatist attitude. Republicans win over the populous with total BS. Why? Because they go full throttle to make their points, which usually are total garbage. But they are unrelenting, totally coordinated with what they say, and focused.

We don't, which is why:

They take a complete nothing and turn it into a big something.

We take a big something and turn it into a nothing.

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
160. The half dozen who are stepping up are being mocked by the silence and inaction of the rest.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:22 PM
Tuesday

BonnieJW

(2,699 posts)
50. Maybe they're sitting back and allowing
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:04 PM
Monday

The country to watch this totally magat shitshow. Nothing good is going to come out of this misadministration, so let them hit rock bottom. They voted for this, or they stayed home and this is the consequence

whathehell

(29,977 posts)
104. But in terms of what it would do to
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:23 PM
Monday
all of us, which includes their people, party, and country, it amounts to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
207. Some can
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:10 PM
Tuesday

Some can sit comfortably above the fray. Aren't they lucky, and after all, who are we to question them?

They can enjoy watching the suffering and say "see? We told you so." That is what they all a "moral victory." It is more important for them to be right than it is to win. The worse things get, the more right they are! And so what if millions who voted Democratic get harmed, as well as millions of children no matter whom their parents voted for,.

DSandra

(1,333 posts)
151. Scared that Republicans will put them in prison
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:13 PM
Tuesday

So they are keeping quiet, hoping to still keep their careers.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
18. you want Chuck Schumer
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:12 PM
Monday

to go on tv? What about doing their jobs is acquiescing, when their jobs are to find a way out? Not by going on tv, but by working with states, with agencies, with courts, with whatever they have across the country to work with. You want them to stop and brief you and everyone else on the planet on what might work? We've never frigging been in this place before. What power does Chuck Schumer have? or do you know something I don't?

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
22. I want to hear what they plan to do.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:14 PM
Monday

I want to see some coordinated resistance plan.

Yes i want them on TV screaming from the rooftops about the dangerous times we are in.

Too much to ask?

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
23. I can't quite believe it...
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:23 PM
Monday

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do. Are you from MA? Perhaps you should ask Senator Warren or Markey to go on tv. Make sure you tell them what channel you watch.

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
28. There are many ways to message resistance
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:31 PM
Monday

Tv being one you seem most interested in.

Markey snd Warren have no one answering phones in any office. You get a voice mail. Not all that reassuring i hate to say. I don’t have a direct number for either. I do love them both. But we need Democratic leadership leading them as well, that is missing.

With all that in mind please take your strawmans elsewhere.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
38. I just saw Warren was on tv!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:42 PM
Monday

I don't watch television myself, but am not sure where the histrionics are supposed to take place. Warren and Markey work for the state of MA., not Chuck Schumer. Have no idea what 'straw-man you are talking about. The idea that there would be a 'plan' to resist what has happened in the last 7 days, with absolutely no power except through the law....I don't get it! I know there are court cases going on over the country to do with immigration, but I don't have the inclination to find out what, where, and how many. But, if I really wanted to know, I would check that out. I guess I should not pay attention to the words you use, as they appear on the page.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
73. Communication is not histrionics. The fact that you ridicule the notion that our leaders should communicate
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:39 PM
Monday

is bizarre.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
78. I ridicule the language being used...
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:45 PM
Monday

to belittle every Democrat serving in an elected office. I find it pointless, juvenile, and irritating. And perhaps.....just perhaps...I may be a little taut.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
93. You ridicule a question that is perfectly legitimate and try to shut down the discussion because you don't like it.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:02 PM
Monday

Others obviously DO want to discuss it.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
96. I question the ridiculing of the Democratic party
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:07 PM
Monday

you obviously have no problem with that. I do not wish to shut down any discussion. I want to know what the point is of the blame Democrats game. No suggestions, no ideas, no calls to action. Nothing. Just blame a Democrat. Fine.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
100. The point of THIS OP is to ask where is the Democratic leadership. The question is legitimate.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:14 PM
Monday

The one communication we have gotten from them is that God will take care of it.

That's absolutely not acceptable. That is more than worthy of criticism.

We are not republiQans. WE are not a cult who blindly accepts unacceptable behavior from our leadership. We can and SHOULD criticize our leaders when it is warranted.

This situation warrants it.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
171. Pot meet kettle
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:59 PM
Tuesday

People here are demanding accountability from those in power. Punching up.

You are attacking rank and file Democrats you disagree with. Punching down.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
175. I am not attacking anyone
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:25 PM
Tuesday

I am expressing my opinion on a Democratic discussion board, about the adjectives some use to describe the very human beings that have been representing me for years. If I can not defend the Democrats that work for me, in my state, what is the site about? One word gotcha come-backs that mean nothing but derision? What a frigging joke. I would think most of the 'rank and file' dissing the Democratic party have no Democratic elected officials representing them.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
179. Backward
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:32 PM
Tuesday

The politicians represent us, it is not our job to represent them. Civics 101.

You have mocked, ridiculed, mischaracterized and dismissed others here with whom you disagree. I am calling that "attacking." I you prefer we can all it "mocking, ridiculing, mischaracterizing and dismissing."

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
185. your elected officials represent your state
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:50 PM
Tuesday

my Democratic elected officials represent mine. They do not work for you. You did not elect them. Obviously.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
193. Wrong
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:22 PM
Tuesday

We organized a massive campaign here to elect Democrats across the country, raising money and making GOTV calls.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
199. Wrong. You elect your representatives
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:46 PM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:36 PM - Edit history (1)

it is the type of government we have. A Representative Republic.
https://library.fiveable.me/key-terms/ap-gov/representative-republic

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
200. Good grief
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:53 PM
Tuesday

I have voted straight Democratic in every election for 50+ years and worked in dozens of campaigns.

What a ridiculous and obnoxious response.

Response to Cirsium (Reply #200)

tableturner

(1,771 posts)
195. They get blame because they do not fight like the GOP does, and they deserve it!
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:26 PM
Tuesday

Republicans go full throttle to make their points, which usually are total garbage. But they are unrelenting, totally coordinated with what they say, and focused.

We don't, which is why:

They take a complete nothing and turn it into a big something.

We take a big something and turn it into a complete nothing.


They fight non-stop and win...we barely fight and get our asses kicked over and over. Even when we win, we win by less than we should for the same reasons.

They should do what Republicans do to attack us with lies (but we can do it with the truth!), which is to have our reps and surrogates unrelentingly spew the truth with the same focus, repetition, and venom that the Republicans use when they spew lies!

Fight non-stop, dammit!

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
197. maybe a miilitia would be a better fix
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:37 PM
Tuesday

My Senators are very smart. They know the laws, they know the way Congress works. Not good at all.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
165. Histrionics?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:38 PM
Tuesday

Why are you insulting people like that, mocking them and mischaracterizing their arguments?

No power? The Republicans relentlessly advance their agenda no matter how many seats they have and no matter how unpopular their agenda is. They obstruct everything the Democrats try to do and use whatever they can to blast their message out.

None of what is happening now magically appeared overnight. It has been decades in the making. So, yes, I would expect there to be a plan to resist the right wingers. The politicians said they had a plan when they wanted our votes and our money. They said that Project 2025 was a grave threat and that democracy was on the line. So, what's the plan???

Why do you put the word plan in brackets? Is the idea of demanding a plan just silly in your view?

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
177. How can there be a 'plan'
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:30 PM
Tuesday

when the actions are being taken on a daily basis in the span of a week? Actions that have never been taken before. Do you know what legal remedies there are for each of the actions taken? Are there any work-arounds that could maybe exclude the Supreme Court? Are there a conglomerate of states, working together to work towards a fix? A reaction follows an action, but the reaction damn well better have meaning, and teeth, rather than snot and spittle.

Justice matters.

(7,713 posts)
98. Billionaire TV Inc will not let them build a resistance on their air.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:08 PM
Monday

Maybe that's what is happening.

Maybe they know it.

But Joy is doing her job, and so is Rachel.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
174. So?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:18 PM
Tuesday

"They won't let us?" Of course they won't. Nothing new there.

The problem is that any strong resistance that starts to form gets killed in the cradle by people who are supposedly our allies. It is happening right on this thread in real time. People who are advocating a stronger push back (and all social and political change starts with advocacy) are being mercilessly mocked and ridiculed, and their message is being trivialized and dismissed.

aka-chmeee

(1,189 posts)
184. The rooftop screaming has been echoing for years
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:50 PM
Tuesday

Not a problem of not stating the position, rather a problem that too many 'merkins think the only people that will be hurt are their enemies. They FA and have yet to FO. Nothing short of personal experience of the hardships has any chance of penetrating their armor..I'm not completely sure even that will penetrate.

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
186. There are very obvious harmful things happening. We have never had this happen before.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:58 PM
Tuesday

We could grow our numbers. But hey let’s just keep quiet.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
70. Yes. Of course. I want Chuck Schumer to go on TV. Part of their job is communicating and leading the party.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:36 PM
Monday

They can't do that with silence. I want Chuck and every other Democrat to go on TV with a unified message of resistance.

You ask, "You want Chuck Schumer to go on TV?" as if that's a bad thing. It isn't. OF COURSE WE WANT CHUCK SCHUMER TO GO ON TV.

Jesus.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
75. Chuck Schumer on tv....
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:42 PM
Monday

now that is clear, concise, and does not have derogatory language. That is a doable thing! People need to email/call whoever they can and ask that Chuck Schumer do a press conference to discuss the events of the past week. Not hard.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
79. Then why did you spend all those posts ridiculing the notion, calling it "histrionics?"
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:47 PM
Monday

And yes, I have been emailing and calling. A) I shouldn't have to. B) I get a machine.

So the OP is posing a perfectly legitimate question.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
90. I was responding to a post
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:59 PM
Monday

referring to

silence and acquiescence, and wanting a coordinated resistance plan and wanting them on TV screaming from the rooftops about the dangerous times we are in

I have no frigging idea who knows what the eff is going on minute to minute, but I can't stand to see hard working individuals having to take the heat for what 300+ million people have done. Granted I only have a handful of people who represent me, but damn. They're ordinary human beings. Most people...even here...don't even have Democrats representing them, but the way their taking the heat is ridiculous. I don't understand.

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
94. These are our elected leaders. They need to lead. They have been silent during the worst crisis
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:04 PM
Monday

our Democracy has faced in my lifetime. They should be communicating with us every day and on every platform available.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
99. My Senators, and Congressman work for the people of my state.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:13 PM
Monday

the 300+ million Americans are responsible for the last 7 days, not the three human beings that represent me. Warren speaks out often, but she will not be responding to everything the White House does every 5 minutes they do it. They are limited by the power they have, by the lack of foresight in what is going to happen when, and how....if at all....they can respond. Wait....I am very wrong to be saying any of this. I am so sorry. You are absolutely correct in all you say. I'm outta here...

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
107. Sarcasm noted, but yes. You were wrong to ridicule a plea for communication from our leaders during
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:29 PM
Monday

an unprecedented crisis and to call it "histrionics."

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
147. The "job"
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 02:52 PM
Tuesday

The job of the Democratic politicians, the only job that really matters, the job for which we elected them, is to stop the right wing at all costs, whatever it takes.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
183. My elected officials represent my state.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:46 PM
Tuesday

the people of my state of which I am one. I did not vote for a single Republican and have none representing me. The human beings I chose to vote for are decent people doing the job they were hired to do. If you want a militia join the GOP.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
196. Nope
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:26 PM
Tuesday

MAGA is everywhere, the right wing dominates the media, and the country is in grave danger.

When your roof leaks because of faulty workmanship, you don't blame the rain. You don't yell at the weather forecaster. You demand accountability from the roofer.

BComplex

(9,218 posts)
161. And why can't they do it all? Going on TV doesn't work too well when ALL media is owned by the right wing.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:24 PM
Tuesday

But it's better than not going on tv.

stillcool

(32,966 posts)
181. some do...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:41 PM
Tuesday

Elizabeth Warren was on last night. There have been various state representatives on. I went to a local virtual town hall last month regarding the impossibility of preparing for what has not yet happened. My Democratic representatives can't very well go on tv to discuss actions they have not yet taken in regards to actions the president has only just taken on a daily basis in the space of one week. Actions never taken before by any president. Legal actions, because that is what the Legislature does. But hey...have fun. I'll try to get a sense of humor about all the belittling comments.

Jit423

(707 posts)
210. We are here. We are the Dems. Stop bellyaching and do something. I just attended a small group meeting held in
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:21 PM
Tuesday

confidence in a home basement. We are organizing to make sure our family members are correctly registered to vote in the mid-terms, identifying Gen-Z graduates who need to know and understand the political ropes, getting volunteers to tutor kids in civics and teaching them about the history of WWII. We are also strategizing on how to operate safely through the GOP political waters so as to protect ourselves from discriminatory corporate practices. Some have suggested working to get more funds to ACLU and identifying other legal resources to help those of us in crisis. The group of 11 is small, but they came up with some really good ideas on how not to comply in advance. Two people have volunteered to re-read project 2025 and to focus attention on areas that might be easier to fight or resist legally. We were not all in agreement on tactics but we all agreed on continuing our meetings and enlarging our group. We also identified a number of businesses in our area to either support or not support depending on what we know about the owners' support of the fascist state and its leader. Our main focus is on becoming a resource for ourselves and those who are most vulnerable in our community.

BTW, eggs are not a part of our grocery lists for price and health reasons. Of the people attending the meeting, I was the only one who knew about DU. I look for about 10 new members within the next month. Ages ranged from about 35 - 72

bucolic_frolic

(48,220 posts)
12. Strategizing. They know what to do about as much as you do. Pushback is one play. Better make it a good one. /nt
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:06 PM
Monday

Mad_Machine76

(24,814 posts)
15. If the Republicans were in the minority
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:08 PM
Monday

They’d be a lot less quiet. They’d be idiots about it of course. But they wouldn’t be quiet about it.

Scubamatt

(109 posts)
135. Totally agree,
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:30 AM
Tuesday

but its time to face facts that the information dissemination channels in this country do NOT reward cogent, logical analysis with documented footnotes. They reward spectacle, bombast and entertainment. I don't like that one bit, but we might as well howl at the moon. Republicans get their message across and engage their base, because they know how to play to this dynamic, even if it is childish and idiotic. Notice how their antics never seems to backfire on them?

Orrex

(64,548 posts)
67. Strategizing? Seriously?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:28 PM
Monday

We had four years of Garland's strategizing, and it escorted Trump straight into the Whitehouse.

With the daily nonstop chaos from the felon in chief, it's not unreasonable for the non-fuckhead constituency to hope for some kind of reassurance from the party. We don't need a concrete plan laid out for us, but any statement that we aren't alone in this.

I don't care how many people clap their hands an believe; we need something more resolute than the tepid assurance of anonymous DUers.

DSandra

(1,333 posts)
153. So much for strategizing during the last election...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:14 PM
Tuesday

The party is not known for playing 4D chess well...

LuvLoogie

(7,681 posts)
17. The three that jump out to me are all women.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:10 PM
Monday

AOC (NY), Jasmine C (TX), and Tammy D (IL).

Not getting any fight vibe from the men.

choie

(4,938 posts)
27. They're not the ones that will suffer
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:30 PM
Monday

Many of them are millionaires, what the fuck do they care?

msongs

(70,467 posts)
29. you may be sure to note they have jacked up their money begging again via text and
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:35 PM
Monday

snail mail.

Skittles

(161,204 posts)
76. they have a lot of nerve
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:42 PM
Monday

begging for money without a unified message from them regarding the fascist takeover

Celerity

(47,553 posts)
206. I am pretty sure that is not what Emile meant at all when they referred to centrist behaviour.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:05 PM
Tuesday

timms139

(197 posts)
89. Yep They sent
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:59 PM
Monday

me one with Nancy is asking and I wrote them an email and told them to never send me anything else with Nancy's name on it after her stabbing Joe in the back . Her and the other lifers are killing us trying to win elections . Instead of letting AOC have a chair she blocked that for another lifer. It's time to tell them to go .

Wingus Dingus

(8,476 posts)
35. They know we don't have a country anymore, what is the point of incurring his wrath?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:38 PM
Monday

Look at Fetterman, kissing Trump's flabby orange ass to stay relevant. They're all saving themselves right now. We're 100 % lawless. It's just as bad as we thought it was going to be.

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
39. If the plan is to just not have a country anymore
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:43 PM
Monday

and go along with that, maybe the message is loud and clear.

Wingus Dingus

(8,476 posts)
40. There is no message. They're baffled and feeling their way around in the dark
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:45 PM
Monday

and there's no guardrails or directions.

vapor2

(1,708 posts)
37. Call Dems, not just your own rep, leave messages
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:41 PM
Monday

Staffers will want your zip so call after hours and leave messages

Alice B.

(302 posts)
86. Those phony surveys. But instead of a submit button, you get sent to ActBlue.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:55 PM
Monday

Recycling these lazya** 2016 questions: "should we run more ads? Knock on doors? Phone bank?"... and then the donation page.

That's another thing I'm livid about.

milestogo

(18,871 posts)
124. Every. Single. Time.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:00 AM
Tuesday

But to be fair- every organization does that. Straightaway to the money page.

FakeNoose

(36,394 posts)
198. Responses to the fundraiser emails won't get handed over to the legislators
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:46 PM
Tuesday

I'm sorry, maybe you've realized this already....

The people who do the fundraising emails are only subcontractors. They're probably not even in the same zipcode as your Senators and Representatives. They're not going to pass along angry messages to the people who are paying their salaries.

We need to be more direct. We need to interact with the staff secretaries who take calls and messages for our Senators and Representatives. At least there's a chance that those will be turned over to the big boss.

milestogo

(18,871 posts)
203. Why are you telling me this?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:59 PM
Tuesday

If I contact a legislator I make a phone call, send a letter, or use the email form on their website.

H2O Man

(76,051 posts)
43. Recommended.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:50 PM
Monday

I think they are at the grass roots' level. We would benefit from a Democratic Spring.

KatjeD

(4 posts)
46. How are you personally holding them accountable???
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:55 PM
Monday

Are you calling your Democratic Congressional reps daily?
Are you publishing how they vote on your social media accounts?
Are you contacting the DNC and asking them, "Where the fuck are you?"
If you aren't taking these personal steps, why are you waiting for some Dem savior? We're it, friend. Get busy.

JMCKUSICK

(785 posts)
51. Welcome KatjeD
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:06 PM
Monday

Please don't forget to talk to your circle of influence too.
Each time he takes a brick out of the foundation. Make it known!

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
77. Why would you assume we are not doing these things?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:45 PM
Monday

Last edited Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:22 PM - Edit history (1)

You haven't been here long. You've underestimated most of us already.

What we are doing is not the subject of this thread. The question is, "What are our leaders doing?" Answering that by saying, "What are YOU doing?" is simply an attempt to shut down THIS conversation.

If you want to know what people here are doing, start another thread on that topic.

Do, though, contribute anything you know about what our leaders are doing to this thread.

Nigrum Cattus

(308 posts)
47. At this point there is not a lot that can be done
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:56 PM
Monday

When every Dem votes against a bill and it still passes, what do you
want them to do ? Going on TV and whining like a red-hat is useless.
We are not going to win most of the battles coming up. This week
will be critical to future results - they are already emptying the Justice
dept of anyone that is competent. The bottom has yet to be seen.

Cirsium

(1,498 posts)
173. The Republicans don't have that problem
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:12 PM
Tuesday

The Republicans never have that problem when they are in the minority. Why is that? "Whatever can we doooooo???" said no Republican ever, no matter how much we had them on the ropes (and let them back up).

Nanjeanne

(5,487 posts)
53. Even Republican Adam Kinzinger is asking where they are.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:07 PM
Monday
https://bsky.app/profile/adamkinzinger.bsky.social/post/3lgreer4ayc2c]

I’ll be honest, this week there was more to destroy the rule of law than in trumps first term,

And i have no idea what the Democrats are doing to fight back. Or even saying. Crickets


barbiegeek

(1,142 posts)
57. LESSONS
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:12 PM
Monday

Watching. Maybe some voters will learn finally learn what Dems have been protecting them from. FAFO

Oneironaut

(5,870 posts)
58. That's forbidden knowledge.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:14 PM
Monday

To find each of them, you need to act like Nicholas Cage in National Treasure and follow obscure clues around the world.

I think Hakeem Jeffries left a secret clue of his whereabouts for us in the latest version of People magazine.

/j

Arazi

(7,319 posts)
59. It's infuriating. This really is a constitutional crisis
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:15 PM
Monday

Traitor is usurping Congressional authority over the purse.

I’m not sure why Dems aren’t screaming bloody murder right now. They have standing to sue over the Impoundment Act.

Like wtf folks?!? 🤬

harumph

(2,470 posts)
60. Maybe the 'plan' is to let Trump run it off the rails.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:17 PM
Monday

Honestly, I don't see a cultural shift unless things go to total shit under republican governance.
It's completely fucked and if democratic leadership can't stop Trump, but they try and fail - they'll just be
blamed and look stupid. He's got the SC and both houses. Buckle up and hoard sardines.

Justice matters.

(7,713 posts)
105. Yep. The plan is let the morons who believed the felon's promises (groceries...)
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:24 PM
Monday

And the idiots who stayed home because.... because... Gaza? or else:

Let them Find Out what their votes and their inaction will bring them.

Maybe they will learn "the lesson" that Elections have consequences... otherwise if they don't stop FA, then it's useless.

flvegan

(64,720 posts)
61. First, getting their securities trades in order.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:19 PM
Monday

Second, checking their powder for absolute dryness.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

betsuni

(27,404 posts)
64. They lost, as everyone keeps reminding us, what they didn't do and should've done and
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:21 PM
Monday

aren't doing and following the rule of never giving the benefit of the doubt and having bad motivations or being stupid.

Why expect a party out of power to fix everything after a week? Same as what always happens to Democrats: Clinton, Obama, Biden got two years and everybody got all mad and pissy they didn't fix every problem in a very large country, handing over Congress to Republicans for the next six years. Then blaming Democrats for what Republicans did and didn't do because they have no idea how government works. Government means Democrats and they hate them. That's the American way.

Again I say, people who hate Democrats should join third parties and ensure Republicans are in power for decades. Americans must like it. They want Republicans. The Democratic Party has nothing to do with it. All the hate and lies about Democrats paving the way to Trump and ignoring the working class and doing nothing -- they LOVE having a scapegoat to despise.

Now back to the I Hate Democrats show.

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
65. No one is expecting a fix.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:25 PM
Monday

What is expected is a message of resistance. Some leadership. Not silence or acquiescence.

Even if at the end if the day there is nothing they can do, they still have a voice and I expect them to use it.

LauraInLA

(1,583 posts)
101. I've seen Jamie Raskin EVERYWHERE EVERY DAY this week. I've seen Jasmine Crockett and AOC.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:17 PM
Monday

I’ve read about Tammy Baldwin, Elizabeth Warren, Chuck Schumer, Bernie, Hakeem Jeffries, and a bunch of other people — I’d have to go look at every article I’ve read to catch them all. I think there are members in swing/Red districts who have to be more careful, and I see a lot of strong comments from Dems in their particular area of “expertise”/committee work.

I know they’re setting up a fight about the debt ceiling. I don’t think they’re sitting around — so much sh-t has happened this week, even more than we thought or had on our bingo cards — they have to have time to make plans and coordinate with lawyers, especially.

sheshe2

(88,942 posts)
116. Thank you.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:59 AM
Tuesday

All I am reading here is Democrats need to grow a spine! Where are they? Why aren't they speaking out?

I also read people advocating for a third party, here on Democratic Underground!

This is NOT the way forward.

moonshinegnomie

(2,977 posts)
81. ive gotten a couple of fund raising texts in the past 2 days
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:49 PM
Monday

they still want my money but havent done anything to deserve it.
not donating another nickle.
instead im selling a lot of my stocks to buy gold for the coming collapse after the rethugs drive us off a cliff

Daleuhlmann

(62 posts)
85. We Need New Blood!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:53 PM
Monday

Boston Bean: I have touched on this issue several times myself, and have written the DNC: striving for negotiation and bipartisanship with Trump and his extremist lemmings is an exercise in futility. MAGA sees this, and with reason, as a sign of weakness and temerity on the Democrats' part. They need to condemn Trump, vocally and unapologetically, for his flagrant contempt for the law and due process rights. On a related note, why haven't Democrats been caling for more forcefully and backing uneqivocally lawsuits on behalf of Inspector Generals and Jack Smith-appointed DIJ prosecutors whom Trump has fired without first having gone through the required legal steps?

Scrivener7

(53,683 posts)
95. They're not powerless. They are the leaders of half the country. And we have not heard a word from
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:06 PM
Monday

them, other than Hakeem telling us Jesus is going to take care of it.

This is not good enough.

qazplm135

(7,611 posts)
115. Hearing a word stops what?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:56 AM
Tuesday

Here's my issue, we need to stop needing leaders to satisfy us.

There's two options and one is way worse. End of democracy worse.

I wish we had a bunch of awesome leaders. We don't.

Neither do they, but the difference is they turn out regardless.

betsuni

(27,404 posts)
117. I don't understand the obsession with leadership. Do people really need to be told what to do,
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:14 AM
Tuesday

maybe it's about something else. Republican voters paid no attention to leadership, Trump formed his slogans according to audience response. He is their creation. They hear what they want to hear.

Clearly, the Goldilocks fantasy that if someone on the Left says just the right words suddenly everyone will listen and vote against Republicans because the savior has explained things to them -- that's a populist fantasy.

kentuck

(113,109 posts)
88. If the people thought we needed to start over...?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:58 PM
Monday

...would they throw out more Republicans or more Democrats?

It appears that most Republicans, especially those in Washington, just don't give a shit?

Karch

(4 posts)
92. Hakeem Jeffries
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:01 PM
Monday

This little salvo was twitted by Hakeem Jeffries. Rest easy everyone.

Hakeem Jeffries
@RepJeffries
Presidents come and Presidents go.
Through it all.
God is still on the throne.
1:37 PM · Jan 26, 2025
·
4.7M
Views

XanaDUer2

(14,958 posts)
136. I don't even know what this means
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:41 AM
Tuesday

Either. I am less comforted by this than silence. Is he saying just lie back and take it bc god is in control?

Beck23

(310 posts)
102. Voters removed from the rolls
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:17 PM
Monday

State government records are showing that about 4 million voters were removed from the voter rolls without enough time to re-register before the election. 800,000 in Georgia. Voter suppression won.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

NBachers

(18,252 posts)
109. Remember when there was an announcement that a big thing was going to be unveiled? And it turned out to be
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:39 PM
Monday

that most-generic-of-all new symbol for the Democrats?

I think they’re busy designing an umlaut to go over that symbol so that they’ll look really aggressive and strong.

LudwigPastorius

(11,421 posts)
110. "Where the fuck are the Democrats?"
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 11:42 PM
Monday

The Congressional minority leaders were addressing specific issues.

Schumer spoke outside a restaurant in Rochester today about efforts to limit the spread of avian flu.

That got him a 14-second sound bite on the local news.



https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-standing-at-rochesters-jines-restaurant-with-egg-and-grocery-prices-rising-due-to-bird-flu-outbreak-calls-on-feds-to-surge-biosecurity-and-get-all-hands-on-deck-to-help-farms-contain-bird-flu_lower-costs-for-upstate-families-and-restaurants

Jeffries spoke yesterday about vandalism at a Jewish restaurant near his district.

Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, is on his way out. A new leader gets elected February 1st at the DNC Winter Meeting.

So, that's what the leaders were doing.

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Hassler

(3,932 posts)
114. On his Countdown podcast KO said.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:05 AM
Tuesday

Rather than Durbin writing a letter to go introduce a file a new impeachment charge for every crime Scump commits. Better than the nothing I'm seeing.

Meowmee

(6,560 posts)
119. Agree
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:07 AM
Tuesday

We need more visible push back etc and communication. I think some are working more behind the scenes to fight the mass of shit that has started.

Patton French

(1,244 posts)
120. I see them fighting to the extent they can in the minority.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:15 AM
Tuesday

Not sure what else they can be doing.

LeftInTX

(31,902 posts)
123. I agree. They are there to do a job. It's our job to bitch and moan.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:37 AM
Tuesday

It's not their job to hold rallies and protests when they have to fuck'n focus on all the shit that's being thrown at them daily from Trump.
They really need to focus on their jobs and that is what they are doing. If they don't focus...guess what??? It gets worse....

Sure, they can abandon their desks and hold rallies, encourage a general strike, set themselves on fire, but guess what "you-know-who" will do? The cat will play while the mice are away.

Remember when the Texas Democratic delegation broke quorum and went to DC? It's good PR, but what did it accomplish?

Remember in 2011, when the Democrats in Wisconsin broke quorum and fled to Illinois and they had those huge protests? Guess what? The Republicans changed the quorum rules while they were gone and passed a bill that ended collective bargaining for teachers.

LeftInTX

(31,902 posts)
122. Well, with all this hate, this sounds like Palestinians versus Israel.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:20 AM
Tuesday

Democrats are the Palestinians and Republicans are Israel. One is more powerful and the other tries to fight, but gets their rockets eaten up and pretty much gets wiped out. It sure feels that way. We just aren't strong and powerful.

TBF

(34,970 posts)
125. As others have said, the plan may be to let Trump go off the rails
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:33 AM
Tuesday

and clean up after. I am not sure it's a great one given that he literally has access to nuclear weapons. But as we've seen, the old guard in the party is holding on with a vengeance - you saw how quickly they shot down AOC for chair of the House Oversight Committee. I've gone back and forth on that. Initially I was furious, but then I thought about how the old guard has been in Washington a long time and know what they are dealing with on the other side. They may feel the safest approach is to hunker down.

I have been spending a lot of online time on BlueSky. There are a lot of antifascists over there that have moved over from X/Twitter. Like DU, it's another place to connect. It's more about sharing memes and limited opinions over there but is supportive. Obviously for actual conversations this forum is about as good as it gets. I found this place 18 years ago, while I was spending many hours locally campaigning for Obama. I give donations nearly every year to keep it active, even when I'm not posting as much. But adding places like Bluesky to check in once a day may be helpful for you - as long as we are allowed to have it. At some point I expect our dear leader to start cracking down as much as he can on dissent.

Unfortunately, I think it will get worse before it gets better, and we are basically on our own. We need to take care of each other.

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samnsara

(18,354 posts)
129. can you imaine how hard it is for the Dem Lawmakers to HAVE to be in
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:42 AM
Tuesday

..that political hellmouth..day in and day out? What it does to their psyche? Their very will to live? They may not be making noise but by god they are there so we dont have to be.

Passages

(1,605 posts)
131. They're right here: The Senate has voted 97-0 to invoke cloture on the nomination of Sean Duffy
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:49 AM
Tuesday

The Senate has voted 97-0 to invoke cloture on the nomination of Sean Duffy for Secretary of Transportation.

Duffy, a former Wisconsin Congressman, was introduced at his hearing by Senator Tammy Baldwin who said it was a “pleasure” to introduce him and that he was “the right person for this job.”

snip*Duffy is a climate change denier, a lobbyist, & a supporter of Trump’s Muslim ban and anti immigrant bigotry. Yet here is a top Democratic senator not just voting for him but introducing and vouching for him.

This is the Democratic ‘resistance’ to Trump term 2.
Kill me now.



Doodley

(10,474 posts)
133. The only way to get their message through is to stand united, every Democratic lawmaker, and make a joint statement.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:02 AM
Tuesday

Their messaging needs to get headlines. They need to state simply the seriousness of the damage Trump is doing and how it affects ordinary Americans, red or blue.

Scubamatt

(109 posts)
134. I'm glad
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:23 AM
Tuesday

to see this post. I have been asking this same question, but have been shouted down by some members who believe that we should just passively play along with all this, keep our heads down and our powder dry and not rock the boat until the mid terms because that is how politics are. To be absolutely clear, I will always vote blue, but our leadership could learn a thing or two from our opponents about how to keep their base engaged and energized. Most of our leaders really don't know how to do that (with SOME exceptions). And, if we are to persuade this country that the situation is as bad as we said it would be during the election (and I thinks its worse), we better be regularly pushing back with at least counter-messaging, even if we don't have the legislative power at this time. We need leaders to guide and shape this opposition, however, because as another post points out, Trump's strategy is to be a chaos agent and flood the public discourse with so much &*^%$# that we can't focus on anything. Democratic leaders, if you're listening, PLEASE pick a message, and then identify the 3-4 most important issues around which we build that message, and then keep hammering it every day, in speeches, appearances, social media posts, talk shows, etc.

Takket

(22,735 posts)
138. I hear yeah but the American people put the Democrats in time out
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:08 PM
Tuesday

They declared they don’t want us in charge of anything. And indeed we are not.

Flash953

(99 posts)
141. Does Hakim Jefferies appear to be backing down?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:55 PM
Tuesday

There is some hope. Idiots make fun of his speaking style but it's there for a reason. It's there because it makes you listen. Watch this video....

&lc=UgyTHgNi4KgfvJ6sjFh4AaABAg.ADh6bKI-r3mADqfZFKXpTx

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DSandra

(1,333 posts)
150. If Dems don't want to defend its constituents, let another party do it
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:11 PM
Tuesday

Either do your job or get out the way and let someone else take over!

Oopsie Daisy

(4,950 posts)
191. I do not understand why anyone would advocate to "let another party do it" ... really?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:00 PM
Tuesday

Perhaps it's a indication of a complete loss of faith with the Democratic party with wanting "another party" to take over.

So, I'm hoping that you can explain further and let us know which third-party you're recommending? Jill Stein's "Green party?" Nina Turner's "People's Party?" Does the "Peace and Freedom Party" or the "No Labels Party" grab ya?

Honestly, I do not thing this is a good idea. I hope that the suggestion to "let someone else take over" wasn't sincere and was instead just a lapse of good judgement and something said in anger and frustration.

betsuni

(27,404 posts)
213. If people hate this fictional Democratic Party they believe in like a religion so much, I say join the third parties.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:43 PM
Tuesday

Give up! Let Americans suffer. Make sure Republicans stay in power for decades.

Put their populist fantasy revolution heroes up on pedestals to worship, who get nothing done except speeches and comments on social media to keep their followers worked up and emotional. Mock Democrats for making speeches and comments on social media. Emotion beats thinking! To accomplish nothing and let Americans (especially the poor) suffer is preferable in the all-or-nothing populist world. Shows one's moral superiority.

One week. And everybody knows somehow that no Democrats in the country are doing anything and don't care. How do they know, why do they assume? Like religion. Propaganda win.

NNadir

(35,006 posts)
159. I'm here. I'm a Democrat. There is an advantage, in my view...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:17 PM
Tuesday

...to giving people what they asked for, as in the old adage, "Be careful what you ask for, you may get it."

The United States is about to experience a grotesque and unprecedented disaster, something all of us here opposed.

Hopefully our country's flirtation with fascism, even the embrace of it doesn't end up with Philadelphia ending up like Hamburg in 1945, New York looking like Dresden in that year, Washington looking like Tokyo in that year, and Charleston looking like Hiroshima in that year.

Nevertheless, Germany paid a price for those enthusiastic crowds depicted in Reifenstahl's 1935 "documentary" Triumph of the Will." Interstingly, by 1950 no one would confess to being in those filmed hysterical crowds, and yet the crowds existed.

Japan paid a price for confusing the Emporer will the source of the Universe.

Some Americans who confused Trump with their professed God Jesus, will pay for their confusion.

In Germany, in Japan, and indeed in Italy, there were innocents who suffered as well. Sophie Schall was beheaded. Bombs fell on Social Democrats.

There were of course collaborators who gave up. We will have our cases of Fritz von Papen. But we are here; we're here, and though it rains on the just and unjust alike, though bombs fall on them alike, we must have the courage, remain as true to ourselves as we can, and wait and work, each in our own way and time for a better day.

They, the fascists, will fail because nothing breeds incompetence like arrogance.

Doodley

(10,474 posts)
163. Our nation is facing the biggest constitutional crisis of our lifetimes. The country we knew is being dismantled.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:29 PM
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Never has it been more important for all Democratic lawmakers to stand together and speak out and to educate red and blue voters about what is actually happening and how it will affect them and their nation.

kansasobama

(1,573 posts)
166. Democrats have been very gutless
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:43 PM
Tuesday

A little statement here and there, no press conferences every day on your face, it is pathetic. They should stop trying to appease Fetterman and Gallego. And, they are busy not angering Michigan, Wisconsin Democrats. Here is my opinion. The country has a Constitutional crisis. I mean it is real. Dems are sitting around thinking of a 2026 strategy without hurting Fetterman Dems. Can you show some guts? You have a bigger job. SAVE THE COUNTRY. FIGHT. LEAD!

JCMach1

(28,237 posts)
167. Understand here on out: institutional resistance is going to do little...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:47 PM
Tuesday

At least the next two year's.

Direct Action is the only option.

Katcat

(398 posts)
176. I think a large part
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:27 PM
Tuesday

Of their problem is they’re too old to fight.
FWIW, I wrote to Hakeem Jeffries yesterday and told him (prob an aide) that 5he optics are terrible. We have a crisis and dem leadership hasn’t been seen or heard in weeks,months,whatever.
I told him that people are starting to question if dem leadership is folding because they’re scared OR COMPLICIT.

Hekate

(95,872 posts)
190. Be the change you want to see. Links...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:59 PM
Tuesday

Senator Schiff is speaking out on tv. So is Sen. Kaine. Keep seeing others of our Dems doing so…

What exactly do you want them to do? Stand in the Rotunda and announce they have the power to assassinate a bunch of people?

What? I address this to everybody in this thread.

Meanwhile, what are all of YOU doing? I suggest, as I have before, starting with yourself.
Visit these websites, and be the change you want to see.

Get on the mailing list for Indivisible. https://indivisible.org/
They are the Dem’s rebuttal.

See if there’s any way you can support Planned Parenthood, or the Brigid Alliance, or the ACLU. They are the Dem’s rebuttal.

Look up the Electronic Frontier Foundation and scan through their various projects, which include a section on reproductive rights (would you like to make a clinic visit without being tracked? ) https://www.eff.org/
They are the Dem’s rebuttal.

SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center has been around forever, and will direct you to ways to organize wherever you live, not just the South. They also have a page with a Hate Map that indicates the 1,430 hate and antigovernment groups that SPLC tracks across the US.
https://www.splcenter.org/
They are the Dem’s rebuttal.

If you wait for our elected officials to rise up and rally the mob um the troops um I mean the citizenry, you will wait a long time. There are innumerable existing groups. As President Obama says, “Don’t boo — organize! “ You don’t even have to start from scratch.

We are the Dem’s rebuttal.

sheshe2

(88,942 posts)
211. I wasn't going to come back to this thread.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:22 PM
Tuesday

I am glade I did.

You should make this an OP, Hekate. TY. TY. TY.

Lulu KC

(5,823 posts)
194. Check today's news
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:22 PM
Tuesday

Press conferences, wins in court, they're doing what they need to do. The calls are coming in and they are there.

Progressive dog

(7,319 posts)
202. Probably waiting for some other Democrat to do something.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:59 PM
Tuesday

or maybe it takes more than a day or two to stop criminals who control the executive branch. Nixon wasn't gone in a few weeks.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,819 posts)
204. I wrote to my new Rep Dave Min.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:00 PM
Tuesday

Sent this afternoon:

"PLEASE! Democrats who value our country are hiding right now. Staying silent isn't what is required of us at the crisis point. Democrats are sending a very bad signal. I implore you to form a committee or meet up to engage to object to the dismantling of our federal government. It's terrifying. Please act on behalf of those of us who care and are terrified."

Susan Calvin

(2,181 posts)
209. That's what I'd like to know.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:21 PM
Tuesday

I don't think the Dems even had a plan. I really don't. When someone tells you what they're going to do believe them. They should have been planning every possible way to obstruct since November 6th

walkingman

(8,749 posts)
212. Don't forget that the "Bully Pulpit" is real - everything the blob says and does will get attention
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:42 PM
Tuesday

good or bad on all different versions of media. That is not the case for the Dems at any level - local, state, or federal.

We are not a cult. We are a diverse group of people that are not predominately white (about 85%). We are not unified nearly as much as the GOP and it is because we represent everyone and with that comes complexity.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the Democratic politicians, and I do think we should be more vocal in our protest. I also think that until we have a more progressive party platform, our struggle will continue. More than likely we will back the House in '26 but even then we will have divided government (with SCOTUS being conservative for at least a generation).

Not sure what can stop this national decline we have seen for at least the last 50 years?

pat_k

(10,885 posts)
215. The power of chaos -- the sheer number...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:15 PM
Tuesday

...of simultaneous atrocities dilutes any single response.

Herding democrats is harder than herding cats.

But if they don't figure out how to pick one thing to focus 80% of all communications on with an effective narrative -- and keep hammering that for days -- something that gets into people's heads and can be harkened back to as the opposition shifts to the next target to focus 80% of all communications on, we are sunk.

Trump will just keep leading them by the nose to respond only to the latest atrocity with ineffective messaging that is eclipsed by the next atrocity in hours.

No message will get through as different factions in the opposition focus on a different "worst thing" at a given moment.

And so it goes.

hannah

(184 posts)
216. They are Pushing Back
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:42 PM
Tuesday

Why aren’t YOU? The time is NOW TO FIGHT BACK. THE power is inherent in the people. No one is going to do this for you. We all have to stand up and fight.

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