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Swede

(35,230 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:03 AM Jan 26

Hegseth's religion Christian Reconstruction is rightwing insanity.

No sir, I don't like it.

Christian Reconstructionists want to dismantle public education and replace modern ideas about family with a patriarchal family model because they claim that biblical law requires both. They believe that Old Testament biblical law applies to today’s society and to everyone, whether or not they are Christian. For them, all of life is religious; there is no separation between religion and politics.


https://theconversation.com/why-the-religious-beliefs-of-trump-defense-pick-pete-hegseth-matter-245601


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Hegseth's religion Christian Reconstruction is rightwing insanity. (Original Post) Swede Jan 26 OP
They were outraged when we called christian fundamentalist zealots "The American Taliban." sop Jan 26 #1
Yes this is the American version of the Taliban. Irish_Dem Jan 26 #3
The more these archaic views come to the fore, the sooner the backlash will come. TheRickles Jan 26 #2
Unfortunately, they never come to the fore in their alternate reality. travelingthrulife Jan 26 #12
Dominionist with Nukes Kid Berwyn Jan 26 #4
This is why... 2naSalit Jan 26 #6
Any excuse... 2naSalit Jan 26 #5
Take 3auld6phart Jan 26 #21
Another collection of intellectual midgets. AltairIV Jan 26 #7
always the woman's fault Credenza Jan 26 #11
Creepy! surfered Jan 26 #8
What a chick magnet, that guy Wilson. This is common among men who found a religion--their Penis is the Voice of Gawd. Timeflyer Jan 26 #9
No self-respecting woman would "receive, surrender, or accept" that bullshit. CousinIT Jan 26 #10
Men as a group will let the human race die out before they will EVER do a damned thing around the house. valleyrogue Jan 26 #14
Start saving EARLY and do it all your life, if you can CousinIT Jan 26 #25
Unfortunately, life doesn't work out that way. valleyrogue Jan 26 #27
Rousas Rushdoony (1916-2001), the "founder" of "Christian Reconstructionism," valleyrogue Jan 26 #13
Was this discussed during the hearings? choie Jan 26 #15
Catharine MacKinnon said the same thing (being critical on her part) as Wilson valleyrogue Jan 26 #16
Unless you think SCantiGOP Jan 26 #17
Her statement is not untrue and is the way men as a group have viewed women as a group valleyrogue Jan 26 #18
"don't believe there is such a thing as marital rape because marriage is seen as implied consent." CousinIT Jan 26 #26
Death for homosexuality (OT)... What about adultery? Hegseth Norrrm Jan 26 #19
Hegseth didn't change when he "became" Christian. StarryNite Jan 26 #20
Our country's history of slavery contributes to this conversation dlk Jan 26 #22
Sell that bullshit somewhere else, we're all full up here. twodogsbarking Jan 26 #23
The American Taliban. Martin68 Jan 26 #24

sop

(12,328 posts)
1. They were outraged when we called christian fundamentalist zealots "The American Taliban."
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:13 AM
Jan 26

TheRickles

(2,560 posts)
2. The more these archaic views come to the fore, the sooner the backlash will come.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:15 AM
Jan 26

Hard to believe how ridiculous some of their ideas are.

2naSalit

(94,939 posts)
5. Any excuse...
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:29 AM
Jan 26

To secure male dominance will do.

As a woman, I say,

FUCK THAT SHIT ALL THE WAY TO XTIAN HELL.

But I digress...

3auld6phart

(1,387 posts)
21. Take
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jan 26

You gawd amn book o myths as the paper is quite thin and wipe your bottoms . Fundamentalist are the sickest of all religions freaks.

AltairIV

(716 posts)
7. Another collection of intellectual midgets.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:31 AM
Jan 26

Another of the 1950's made up religions because Mommy withheld any feelings of affection to some twit of a little boy.

Timeflyer

(2,853 posts)
9. What a chick magnet, that guy Wilson. This is common among men who found a religion--their Penis is the Voice of Gawd.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:43 AM
Jan 26

CousinIT

(10,834 posts)
10. No self-respecting woman would "receive, surrender, or accept" that bullshit.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:30 AM
Jan 26

I still say women who are not already happily married (and/or with kiddos), should forego dating, sex, marriage, and domestic life other than alone with their financial independence - until American men learn to respect women as human beings, not just state-owned breeding livestock and sperm receptacles for men to dump their junk into. Either the laws change to protect their human rights-- or no dating, sex, marriage, or kids, and don't be afraid to say this is the reason - loudly.

Women have the power. They should USE it.

Of course, that may mean never marrying or having kids since this will take a LOT of time, so there's that. This is why I insist every woman should work and have financial independence so she doesn't need to depend on someone else financially.

The American Taliban is trying to take that away by shoving women out of the workforce and out of good-paying jobs, too - and this is why they're trying to do that.

They hate women. They especially hate financially independent, self-respecting women because they are hard to impossible to control.

Women SHOULD be hard (impossible) for men and the patriarchy to control. That should, in my opinion, be one of their top objectives.

valleyrogue

(1,543 posts)
14. Men as a group will let the human race die out before they will EVER do a damned thing around the house.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:53 AM
Jan 26

Men aren't about to give up their privileges to meet women even halfway. Younger women especially are seeing the rigged game society is just as I did over 50 years ago and see what women have to do to get that "better lifestyle" partnering with a man. They are also recognizing that going life solo will almost certainly result in poverty in old age, all blather about "careers" notwithstanding. However, they don't think marriage and family offer anything but a lifetime of walking on eggshells. Younger women especially are seeing there is really nothing in it for them despite all the bennies of marriage, all of which require they exchange sexual access by men to get them.

CousinIT

(10,834 posts)
25. Start saving EARLY and do it all your life, if you can
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 12:15 PM
Jan 26

You can get a rollover IRA at Fidelity to keep your employer retirement plan money in as you change employers. Always take advantage of employer plans, even if you can only pay a small amount into the plan each paycheck. Every bit adds up. Don't be afraid to talk to a financial advisor, no matter your situation. Women need this more than men - starting earlier is better. They must learn to advocate for themselves. Ask for a CFP specializing in advising women, or at least a CFP.

If you can, save money regularly in a savings account, credit union, or money market (liquid, emergency money). Autotransfer a certain amount from a checking account into savings biweekly or monthly every paycheck - even if it's only $5. If you need the money, cancel the transfer for a couple of weeks or a month, but keep that money going into savings.

Pay yourself first, then pay the bills. Don't keep a balance on credit cards, either. Pay them off each month. Maybe there's nothing left. Maybe there is. It's not fun or easy, but it's necessary.

Nothing is foolproof, especially with mediocre, unqualified white males dictating economic policy and running the gov't, but do what you can.

The idea is that no man or patriarchal society or government can control women. Independence is the absolute best revenge for women. Be fierce about it! FIERCE. Be a bitch. Seriously.

Never share account or financial information (amount in your accounts, where you bank, investments, credit card info) with any man—or anybody. If you need a backup person, choose a sister, mom, or someone else—never a man. Need beneficiaries? Choose a favorite charity, animal rights group, women's group, or independent publicly funded media.

valleyrogue

(1,543 posts)
27. Unfortunately, life doesn't work out that way.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 12:25 PM
Jan 26

You can save all the money you want, but unless you are in public employment and have access to a pension and a 403b or are a high-paid professional like a doctor or a lawyer, financial security for never-married women is a pipedream and always will be. It is all by design.

There are things that happen during one's life including job/career loss and health issues, both of which can wipe out a lifetime of savings. There is also age discrimination, which is rampant past age 50. I know this from personal experience. "Owning" a house is basically out of reach for never-married women unless they belong to one of the categories mentioned above or have an inheritance from parents or other relatives. Marriage is still the primary means for upward mobility for women in our society.

Our country heavily subsidizes marriage and the lifestyle that goes with it. This is most glaringly obvious in tax laws and especially Social Security benefits. Women who have been widowed and those divorced who have been married at least 10 years can get full survivor benefits from their deceased husbands or ex-husbands. This can be very substantial, certainly in comparison to most women's SS benefits from working. All they did is literally trade sex to get the bennies in the first place. Never-married women have access to nothing but their own earnings, which typically pale compared to men's. I know mine are a fraction of what women I know who have been married get. That isn't right at all.

valleyrogue

(1,543 posts)
13. Rousas Rushdoony (1916-2001), the "founder" of "Christian Reconstructionism,"
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:45 AM
Jan 26

had a background in education, had a degree or two in it, and was actually a teacher earlier in his life. He is the one chiefly responsible for pushing the notion of "homeschooling" on the public. This push is not motivated by the desire to help kids; rather, it is a scheme to force women back into the home and out of the labor force. This despite the fact the economy has moved long past a one-earner household and the fact women being voluntarily unemployed (which is what being a "housewife" or "homemaker" is) leaves women extremely vulnerable to poverty if the husband leaves or dies.

Wilson talking about sex reveals the whole mindset behind marriage. Wives, like women in prostitution, are things to be used. Marriage always was the flip side of prostitution and always will be. To get the bennies, the marriage has to be "consummated" or else one party can sue for divorce. Men as a group have always rigged society so they can get sexual access to women, and the easiest way to do it is threaten women with starvation by hoarding resources. Women are coerced into trading the sexual use of their bodies for economic support.

choie

(5,038 posts)
15. Was this discussed during the hearings?
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:59 AM
Jan 26

I don't think any of the Democrats on the committee brought this up during questioning, did they? They only focused on his drinking and sexual abuse. I'm not saying those issues aren't very important. But his political/theological beliefs seem to me very relevant.

valleyrogue

(1,543 posts)
16. Catharine MacKinnon said the same thing (being critical on her part) as Wilson
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:04 AM
Jan 26

and got a lot more to the point: "Man f***s woman; subject verb object."

Wilson doesn't see women as human, just objects for men to use.

SCantiGOP

(14,343 posts)
17. Unless you think
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:31 AM
Jan 26

that sex is something people do with each other, instead of something done by one person to another.
Which is the way I would classify every relationship I know of.

valleyrogue

(1,543 posts)
18. Her statement is not untrue and is the way men as a group have viewed women as a group
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:35 AM
Jan 26

throughout history. Your personal experience and individual experiences do not invalidate the truth of that statement. If her statement weren't true, and I think deep down you know it is, there would be no such thing as rape including rape during wartime. There would be no such thing as prostitution or surrogacy or pornography or child marriages or forced marriages, dowries, mail-order brides, etc., etc., etc. Women wouldn't be coerced into obsessing over their safety if they are alone for any reason because "men can't help themselves." They wouldn't be forced out of the public sphere as they are in Afghanistan. Of course MacKinnon is right.

It is a rape mentality, and don't think for one minute that mentality isn't common. It has been the rule throughout history. Hell, millions and millions of people today don't believe there is such a thing as marital rape because marriage is seen as implied consent.

CousinIT

(10,834 posts)
26. "don't believe there is such a thing as marital rape because marriage is seen as implied consent."
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 12:18 PM
Jan 26

Just IMO, that alone is a damn good reason to avoid marriage.

StarryNite

(11,190 posts)
20. Hegseth didn't change when he "became" Christian.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jan 26

He changed nothing about himself. He's not trying to be a better person. The religion he picked is enabling him to do the horrible things he was already doing.

dlk

(12,540 posts)
22. Our country's history of slavery contributes to this conversation
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:56 AM
Jan 26

There are too many Americans who truly believe they are entitled (by God or otherwise) to enjoy the fruits of the free labor of others. It is the foundation for much of the deeply pervasive racism and sexism in America.

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