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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou ever notice these maga freaks claiming their warriors patriots .
Yesterday i asked this dude hey were you infantry he had on this hoodie with crossed rifles as I am fond of my fellow Grunts I love them all.
I explained my pedigree former 11B (Army infantry)his reply was he never served, yet he was running his gums on how we have to take Greenland and the canal possibly with military action.
So i asked how old are you his reply he was thirty i then asked him how come he never rucked up in war on terror if he feels so patriotic.
He gave me complete silence.
I then added well youre young enough yet barely because being a grunt is young mans world most us were 18-19 our senior N.C.O.s were late twenties to mid thirties we were fine warriors.
I then spoke and said yet at your age you could still enlist to help take Greenland or the canal and show how patriotic you are.
I then proceeded to give him advice in once you graduate O.S.U.T. Infantry at Benning go to jump school go to 82nd my old Alma mater I was 325 P.I.R. Nothing elite like the Rangers or special forces or those D boys (Delta) yet in that world i had to volunteer to be there.
And the people you find in the Eighty Deuce are some sharp motivated troopers and your chances of survival greatly increase if you end up in the shit.
I then gave him my reasoning in that all of our senior N.C.0.,s survived Vietnam my platoon sergeant example two tours with 101st one as riflemen second as L.R.R.P. and not one scratch on his ass.
And today we still have large cadre of war on terror troopers who will teach you how to survive if it goes down.
If I remember my platoon sergeant telling me he served in some place called Ashau Valley he said was always N.V.A.
Yet what those senior sergeants taught us I listened they were like E.F. Hutton with their resumes of war.
My time thankfully was all peaceful 84-87 and i added i caught med P.C.S.to West Germany taken off jump status cuz broken ankle.
I said if you can get stationed Germany after your actions do it because it is great place to serve. Shit we partied hard on weekends and when we had to soldier we were like the movie animal house with crew served weapons.
I can only hope you take my advice i told him Im trying to set you up for success and hopefully i did not waste my breath in talking with you.
Im not sure if he caught my sarcasm.
Aviation Pro
(13,761 posts)But there was a surprising lack of f-bombs and knife hands
Duncanpup
(13,947 posts)Perhaps I am mellowing out.
BOSSHOG
(40,789 posts)I try to be helpful. But Ive failed miserably. Ive yet to get a warrior to take a form.
The Wizard
(13,023 posts)I would go to an anti war protest every Wednesday. Every week the same "hero" would drive by and hurl jingoistic insults at us. one day he was stopped by a red light. I handed him an enlistment form. He started cursing and burned rubber when the light changed green. That was the last time he hurled insults.
As a totally disabled combat vet I know false bravado when I see it.
We had a saying back in 1968, "There are no tough guys in the NDP" (night defensive position).
Duncanpup
(13,947 posts)BOSSHOG
(40,789 posts)And those who were in it like You My Friend are usually the quiet type. Thank You For My Freedom Wizard.
HAB911
(9,456 posts)"Oh, what unit were you in?" When they say never served, I just turn my back on 'em, nuff said.
My friend made me smile in bitching about polar vortex he said man its Korea weather.
I said never was Korea he said bro this cold is like Korea.
my year on the Z is why I'm in Florida now. We saw 3 days at around -60. No one had to go to work except me and my guys at the switchboard. Most were happy and relaxed because they knew the "NK diesels wouldn't start either" lol
Emile
(31,845 posts)I wear my Navy veteran hat whenever I'm out in public. Mostly because businesses will give a discount for veterans 😜. I have had a few run ins with non veteran Republicans thinking I must be a Trump supporter since I'm a veteran. It surprises the shit out of them when I tell them what I think of their Draft Dodging Traitor who tried to overthrow our government.
bronxiteforever
(9,710 posts)At your heart, you are a writer.
TheRickles
(2,557 posts)Not surprising that he didn't follow through, but your strategy was a refreshing change from the usual arguments and name-calling on issues like this.
surfered
(4,525 posts)WMD, like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, was just a MacGuffin. I had seen this movie before.
Mustellus
(349 posts)... that I'm just not up to that standard. I don't play football in the NFL, that's for the superist-duperist athelites. I sit in the stands and I cheer. I don't play basketball in the NBA, that's for superist-duperist atheites. I sit in the stands and I cheer. I don't enlist in the military, that's for the superist-duperist fighters. I sit in the stands and wave my itty-bitty flag and chant Ohhh Esss Ayyy.
I'm a patriot fanboy.
(actually recently retired, 40+ years in the Air Force)
Duncanpup
(13,947 posts)And may I add we used to say the Air Force is just like the army.
Yet only for smart people
AllaN01Bear
(23,756 posts)these gung hos dont have any idea onn what to expect.
Bo Zarts
(25,815 posts)Being an 11-Boo in the A Shau (especially at Dong Ap Bai - May 13-20, 1969) was the really real deal. But most of these MAGA "warriors" speak much too fondly of war to have ever been in the shit.
(I was lucky. I flew missions ABOVE the A Shau Valley. I was above the fray, thankfully.)
Wilfred Owen's great WW-1 anti-war poem, "Dulce et Decorum Est (Pro Patria Mori)," instructs those who do not already know from experience: It is not 'sweet and fitting to die for one's country': war is an awful and horrifying thing to experience.
erronis
(17,529 posts)Dulce et Decorum Est
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundring like a man in fire or lime
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer,
Bitter[note 1] as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_Decorum_est
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_decorum_est_pro_patria_mori
paleotn
(19,816 posts)He was afraid. That's why he didn't ruck up. That's fine. Fear is universal. Only a fool and a liar says they don't fear anything. But if you're going to talk the talk, you've got to walk too.
Duncanpup
(13,947 posts)Its all volunteer yet you wanna be part of something bigger than you.
Hugin
(35,232 posts)Yet, when theres an actual disaster, Canada and Mexico have to send us their best.