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Duncanpup

(13,947 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 07:50 AM Sunday

You ever notice these maga freaks claiming their warriors patriots .

Yesterday i asked this dude hey were you infantry he had on this hoodie with crossed rifles as I am fond of my fellow Grunts I love them all.

I explained my pedigree former 11B (Army infantry)his reply was he never served, yet he was running his gums on how we have to take Greenland and the canal possibly with military action.

So i asked how old are you his reply he was thirty i then asked him how come he never rucked up in war on terror if he feels so patriotic.

He gave me complete silence.

I then added well you’re young enough yet barely because being a grunt is young man’s world most us were 18-19 our senior N.C.O.s were late twenties to mid thirties we were fine warriors.

I then spoke and said yet at your age you could still enlist to help take Greenland or the canal and show how patriotic you are.

I then proceeded to give him advice in once you graduate O.S.U.T. Infantry at Benning go to jump school go to 82nd my old Alma mater I was 325 P.I.R. Nothing elite like the Rangers or special forces or those D boys (Delta) yet in that world i had to volunteer to be there.

And the people you find in the Eighty Deuce are some sharp motivated troopers and your chances of survival greatly increase if you end up in the shit.

I then gave him my reasoning in that all of our senior N.C.0.,s survived Vietnam my platoon sergeant example two tours with 101st one as riflemen second as L.R.R.P. and not one scratch on his ass.

And today we still have large cadre of war on terror troopers who will teach you how to survive if it goes down.

If I remember my platoon sergeant telling me he served in some place called Ashau Valley he said was always N.V.A.

Yet what those senior sergeants taught us I listened they were like E.F. Hutton with their resumes of war.

My time thankfully was all peaceful 84-87 and i added i caught med P.C.S.to West Germany taken off jump status cuz broken ankle.

I said if you can get stationed Germany after your actions do it because it is great place to serve. Shit we partied hard on weekends and when we had to soldier we were like the movie animal house with crew served weapons.

I can only hope you take my advice i told him I’m trying to set you up for success and hopefully i did not waste my breath in talking with you.

I’m not sure if he caught my sarcasm.

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You ever notice these maga freaks claiming their warriors patriots . (Original Post) Duncanpup Sunday OP
Love me some grunt speak, brother Aviation Pro Sunday #1
It's my age 59 now. Duncanpup Sunday #2
I always carry blank enlistment forms in my truck and contact information for recruiters BOSSHOG Sunday #3
During the Iraq invasion and occupation The Wizard Sunday #7
I love you my friend Duncanpup Sunday #9
Does the trick almost all the time BOSSHOG Sunday #13
It's funny how one question usually shuts them down HAB911 Sunday #4
Hey Hab Duncanpup Sunday #5
oh yeah HAB911 Sunday #8
Only around 5% of the adult population are veterans. Emile Sunday #6
Hey just wanted to say I love reading your posts. bronxiteforever Sunday #10
I like the way you showed him how he could act on his patriotism, trying to empower him. TheRickles Sunday #11
I remember similar confrontations in the run up to the Iraq War. surfered Sunday #12
Winnie voice: Oh but I can't. The military are so superist-duperist... Mustellus Sunday #14
Exactly my friend you nailed it. Duncanpup Sunday #15
hem eggscllent. i was four fed , ut had many in the millitary and have friends who served .all AllaN01Bear Sunday #16
The A Shau Valley (Valley of the Shadow of Death) was the real deal Bo Zarts Sunday #17
Thanks for that reference, BoZarts. erronis Sunday #20
Hey, anyone who purposfully jumps out of a perfectly good aircraft is elite in my book! paleotn Sunday #18
Nobody forces you to jump school Duncanpup Sunday #19
There's a whole lot of stolen valor running around out there. Hugin Sunday #21

BOSSHOG

(40,789 posts)
3. I always carry blank enlistment forms in my truck and contact information for recruiters
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:09 AM
Sunday

I try to be helpful. But I’ve failed miserably. I’ve yet to get a “warrior” to take a form.

The Wizard

(13,023 posts)
7. During the Iraq invasion and occupation
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:01 AM
Sunday

I would go to an anti war protest every Wednesday. Every week the same "hero" would drive by and hurl jingoistic insults at us. one day he was stopped by a red light. I handed him an enlistment form. He started cursing and burned rubber when the light changed green. That was the last time he hurled insults.
As a totally disabled combat vet I know false bravado when I see it.
We had a saying back in 1968, "There are no tough guys in the NDP" (night defensive position).

BOSSHOG

(40,789 posts)
13. Does the trick almost all the time
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sunday

And those who were in “it” like You My Friend are usually the quiet type. Thank You For My Freedom Wizard.

HAB911

(9,456 posts)
4. It's funny how one question usually shuts them down
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:21 AM
Sunday

"Oh, what unit were you in?" When they say never served, I just turn my back on 'em, nuff said.

Duncanpup

(13,947 posts)
5. Hey Hab
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:33 AM
Sunday

My friend made me smile in bitching about polar vortex he said man it’s Korea weather.
I said never was Korea he said bro this cold is like Korea.

HAB911

(9,456 posts)
8. oh yeah
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sunday

my year on the Z is why I'm in Florida now. We saw 3 days at around -60. No one had to go to work except me and my guys at the switchboard. Most were happy and relaxed because they knew the "NK diesels wouldn't start either" lol

Emile

(31,845 posts)
6. Only around 5% of the adult population are veterans.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:36 AM
Sunday

I wear my Navy veteran hat whenever I'm out in public. Mostly because businesses will give a discount for veterans 😜. I have had a few run ins with non veteran Republicans thinking I must be a Trump supporter since I'm a veteran. It surprises the shit out of them when I tell them what I think of their Draft Dodging Traitor who tried to overthrow our government.

TheRickles

(2,557 posts)
11. I like the way you showed him how he could act on his patriotism, trying to empower him.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:20 AM
Sunday

Not surprising that he didn't follow through, but your strategy was a refreshing change from the usual arguments and name-calling on issues like this.

surfered

(4,525 posts)
12. I remember similar confrontations in the run up to the Iraq War.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:24 AM
Sunday

WMD, like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, was just a MacGuffin. I had seen this movie before.

Mustellus

(349 posts)
14. Winnie voice: Oh but I can't. The military are so superist-duperist...
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:02 AM
Sunday

... that I'm just not up to that standard. I don't play football in the NFL, that's for the superist-duperist athelites. I sit in the stands and I cheer. I don't play basketball in the NBA, that's for superist-duperist atheites. I sit in the stands and I cheer. I don't enlist in the military, that's for the superist-duperist fighters. I sit in the stands and wave my itty-bitty flag and chant Ohhh Esss Ayyy.

I'm a patriot fanboy.


(actually recently retired, 40+ years in the Air Force)

Duncanpup

(13,947 posts)
15. Exactly my friend you nailed it.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:05 AM
Sunday

And may I add we used to say the Air Force is just like the army.
Yet only for smart people

AllaN01Bear

(23,756 posts)
16. hem eggscllent. i was four fed , ut had many in the millitary and have friends who served .all
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:14 AM
Sunday

these gung hos dont have any idea onn what to expect.

Bo Zarts

(25,815 posts)
17. The A Shau Valley (Valley of the Shadow of Death) was the real deal
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:17 AM
Sunday

Being an 11-Boo in the A Shau (especially at Dong Ap Bai - May 13-20, 1969) was the really real deal. But most of these MAGA "warriors" speak much too fondly of war to have ever been in the shit.

(I was lucky. I flew missions ABOVE the A Shau Valley. I was above the fray, thankfully.)

Wilfred Owen's great WW-1 anti-war poem, "Dulce et Decorum Est (Pro Patria Mori)," instructs those who do not already know from experience: It is not 'sweet and fitting to die for one's country': war is an awful and horrifying thing to experience.

erronis

(17,529 posts)
20. Thanks for that reference, BoZarts.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:04 AM
Sunday

Dulce et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime


Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer,
Bitter[note 1] as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_Decorum_est

"Dulce et Decorum Est" is a poem written by Wilfred Owen during World War I, and published posthumously in 1920. Its Latin title is from a verse written by the Roman poet Horace: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.[3] In English, this means "it is sweet and right to die for one's country".[4] The poem is one of Owen's most renowned works; it is known for its horrific imagery and its condemnation of war. It was drafted at Craiglockhart in the first half of October 1917 and later revised, probably at Scarborough, but possibly at Ripon, between January and March 1918. The earliest known manuscript is dated 8 October 1917 and is addressed to the poet's mother, Susan Owen, with the note "Here is a gas poem done yesterday (which is not private, but not final)."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_decorum_est_pro_patria_mori

paleotn

(19,816 posts)
18. Hey, anyone who purposfully jumps out of a perfectly good aircraft is elite in my book!
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sunday


He was afraid. That's why he didn't ruck up. That's fine. Fear is universal. Only a fool and a liar says they don't fear anything. But if you're going to talk the talk, you've got to walk too.



Duncanpup

(13,947 posts)
19. Nobody forces you to jump school
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:20 AM
Sunday

It’s all volunteer yet you wanna be part of something bigger than you.

Hugin

(35,232 posts)
21. There's a whole lot of stolen valor running around out there.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:07 AM
Sunday

Yet, when there’s an actual disaster, Canada and Mexico have to send us their best.

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