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usonian

(15,393 posts) Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:13 AM Sunday

Trmp Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report

Here are the numbers...
WITH ALL THE RECEIPTS.
by Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report January 24, 2025

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won.

Hartmann:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/0ef5118a-d23b-4842-8ebc-da9b578f73fc

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

But if you’re expecting a sexy story about Elon Musk messing with vote-counting software from outer space, sorry, you won’t get that here. As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old “vote suppression,” the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.

They're not original thinkers. Jim Crow must go.

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Trmp Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report (Original Post) usonian Sunday OP

They'll do this again and again and again and again ... only way out is 1.5 voting by dems and that's still got error uponit7771 Sunday #1

been saying this. barbtries Sunday #2

Here are key numbers... Think. Again. Sunday #3

No. Not only does he not present all the receipts, he present none. Wiz Imp Sunday #4

But what if we really don't want to accept that Trump is president? EdmondDantes_ Sunday #5

That's what people like Palast count on. Wiz Imp Sunday #6

I heard him say that 4.5 million were removed from the rolls in targeted states. kentuck Sunday #7

uponit7771

(92,253 posts)

1. They'll do this again and again and again and again ... only way out is 1.5 voting by dems and that's still got error

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:32 AM

Sunday

barbtries

(30,105 posts)

2. been saying this.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:59 AM

Sunday

even if they don't "cheat" they cheat. every day. the law to them is just a cudgel they use to wield power and pain.

i hate republicans

Think. Again.

(20,791 posts)

3. Here are key numbers...

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 06:36 AM

Sunday

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.

By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.

No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).

At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.

1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.

3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

Source: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Wiz Imp

(3,122 posts)

4. No. Not only does he not present all the receipts, he present none.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:20 AM

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There are no sources provided for most of his numbers. The couple he provides a source for are unverifiable - there is nothing online even referring to those numbers, let alone verifying them. I'll believe him if he provides some proof with hard evidence. Until then, this is just conjecture and conspiracy theory to get people on the left worked up.

Just one example- his first claim: 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data. There is nothing on the US Elections Assistance Commission website relating to such data. Where did he get it? Why should I believe it if I can't source and verify his numbers are accurate? Nobody should accept his claims without proof.

EdmondDantes_

(217 posts)

5. But what if we really don't want to accept that Trump is president?

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:28 AM

Sunday

People are so quick to believe things they want to believe that the evidence is often not required.

Wiz Imp

(3,122 posts)

6. That's what people like Palast count on.

Reply to EdmondDantes_ (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:03 AM

Sunday

Look, I'd love for his information to be true. It likely wouldn't change the current situation but I believe it could have a real positive impact on future election. But it's not going to have any impact if it can't be proven to be true.

Seeing stuff like Palast just published makes a lot of people feel good - they use it to justify their feelings that the election wasn't fair (e.g. "I was right - I knew Trump cheated" ). But info that just validates your feelings doesn't change anything if it can't be proven to be accurate.

kentuck

(113,111 posts)

7. I heard him say that 4.5 million were removed from the rolls in targeted states.

Reply to usonian (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:22 AM

Sunday

Definitely enough to determine the outcome of an election.

Didn't they go to court in NC to fight the removal of these voters from the rolls?

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