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Baron2024

(675 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:44 PM Saturday

Blue State Alliance

Since Trump seems hell bent on destroying the Federal Government, I believe that State Governments should step in to protect our citizens. I have proposed what I called a Blue State Alliance. After the Federal Government, the biggest Government in the Country is the California State Government. A close second is the New York State Government. Both are controlled by Democratic Governors and both their Legislatures are completely controlled by Democrats. This is important. An Alliance between the Blue States could be formidable and could compensate us for the cuts that Trump is making to the Federal Government.

The following States have Democratic Governors- Arizona, California. Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin. Add to that all of the major cities that have Blue Mayors and you are dealing with a lot of potential power.

A Blue State Alliance could almost be an inter-state treaty organization where these states pledge to assist one another to provide for the rights, security, health, prosperity, and well-being of their citizens. We might even be able to convene some sort of Convention to hash out the Alliance, sort of like the Constitutional Convention of 1787. We might be able to develop a new form of Democratic Government.

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Blue State Alliance (Original Post) Baron2024 Saturday OP
Please let Virgin eye a have a chance, GreenWave Saturday #1
Sure Baron2024 Saturday #3
I think SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #5
Oh Right Baron2024 Saturday #7
Also Baron2024 Saturday #2
States can pass SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #6
I Think Baron2024 Saturday #8
Thank you for strategizing. Great thoughts. yellow dahlia Saturday #4
Thanks Baron2024 Saturday #9
The Constitution prohibits this whopis01 Saturday #10
I Did Not Know That Baron2024 Saturday #11

GreenWave

(9,863 posts)
1. Please let Virgin eye a have a chance,
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:46 PM
Saturday

we voted for Harris and will soon dethrone our trifecta of ignorance.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
3. Sure
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:54 PM
Saturday

U.S. Virgin Islands has a Democratic Territorial Governor. They would certainly be welcome.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
7. Oh Right
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:46 PM
Saturday

They have Youngkin right now. An election coming up later this year. I hope the dem candidate flips it.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
2. Also
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:52 PM
Saturday

State Legislatures should pass laws demanding the return of their citizen's federal income tax dollars. If Trump is going to cut federal agencies and federal programs, it is incumbent on the states to demand that revenue back and to establish state level programs that substitute for the federal programs that Trump and his MAGA Gang in Congress intend to cut. Blue State Governors, State Attorneys General, Democratic State Legislatures, and Democrats in Congress should all coordinate with each other to try and establish this kind of policy across the nation.

If Trump intends to destroy the federal government and withhold federal money from Blue States, then these States should act to protect themselves and their citizens. They should have their federal tax dollars returned to them and those States in turn could use those monies to protect those citizens that will suffer due to the loss of federal programs. Blue States should demand Federal Block Grants to get our money back. Congress should try to help, even if controlled by Congress. A Democratic Bill in Congress to return State's money might not pass, but it would raise attention to the issue and be good for optics.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
8. I Think
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:56 PM
Saturday

Even if such a project fails it would be worth attempting. It would give us some way to try and fight back. We have natural rights. Just as British Tyranny in the 18th century violated our natural rights this current MAGA Tyranny is a fundamental violation of our basic rights to freedom. We have a moral right to form alternate democratic forms of government. We have the right to resist Tyranny.

Even if we lose, I think for history's sake we need to fight back somehow. And maybe we might win. If the Republic survives until the midterm elections we might retake Congress. If we do we could try to pass legislation which returns federal tax revenues to their respective states in the form of block grants. Such a plan might fail, but we have to try something. People need hope and some sort of plan to act on. We must try to save democracy somehow. What do you suggest?

yellow dahlia

(807 posts)
4. Thank you for strategizing. Great thoughts.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:43 PM
Saturday

The "Blue" states generate the lions share of the GDP. They contribute more than they "take out " - they subsidize the "Red" states. If we're left to "our" own devices, then we should be left to our own resources.

California has a bigger economy than most countries. I have been wondering about secession. There are people smarter than me who are probably talking about all these realistic and unrealistic options.

And seriously - if the NY/New England region were invited to be part of Canada, I would vote yes.

Thank you for sharing analysis. Hearing thoughts from people smarter than me makes me feel like there are solutions.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
9. Thanks
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:00 PM
Saturday

I appreciate the goods words. If the country gets divided, we would probably have an ally in Canada. Thanks for mentioning that idea.

whopis01

(3,769 posts)
10. The Constitution prohibits this
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:17 PM
Saturday

Article I, Section 10 prohibits states from making alliances, treaties, or confederations.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
11. I Did Not Know That
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:30 PM
Saturday

Thanks for that information. That said, if the Constitution were suspended or dissolved, perhaps the American people would have the right to form a new government. I know it sounds extreme but we might need to do something radical to resist what seems to be a fascist takeover of the government. If a Dictator and a Tyrant takes over, we have the right to rebel, just as the Colonists did against the British Monarchy in the 18th century. Natural rights trump all other considerations in my view.

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